You're making little sense. I have little interest in anything based on where it is made. I am not a Hipster, nor do I pretend this film is high art. I just thought it was fun, cheesy, yet oddly appreciative of classic horror with even some nods to the original novel despite it's corny Hammer-esque quality. And I thought that despite it's flaws Thomas Kretschmann did an excellent as Dracula. And I even thought the song Kiss em Dracula was catchy.
The only European horror company I enjoy is Hammer and even then there are Hammer titles I do not like (I hate Let me In and The Resident (even if it has Christopher Lee in it) and The Seven Golden vampires). I only own one live action film in a foreign language at all. And I don't pay attention to what company made it or it's budget. I like it because I enjoyed the film.
By the way, you discrediting and obnoxious presumptuous, troll, if you check my history you'll find I even like "I, Frankenstein" for the SAME reasons that I like this film! When the f--k did I, Frankenstein become Euro exoticism?
If I explain the reason I like something, never assume there's some other reason. I like what I like and that is all. This film is not even in my top ten favorite movies.
My top ten favorite films of all time (order of films subject to change based on mood):
Dracula (1979 with Frank Langella)
Frankenstein (Hallmark mini-series version from 2004)
Faust (1926 silent film)
Nightmare before Christmas (1993)
Labyrinth (1986)
Corpse Bride (2005)
Sleepy Hollow (1999) / tied with The Ghost and Mrs. Muir (1947)
Fright Night (original 1985 version)
Dark prince: The True Story of Dracula (2000 TV movie with Rudolf Martin)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992)
I am NOT a Dario Argento fan by nature. To be honest I was not a big fan of Susperia, I only watched it for Joan Bennett (I'm a Dark Shadows fan). And I honestly don't think I watched any other of his films besides Susperia and this.
I don't like something because it's fashionable or because it's made in a certain style or in a certain place or even by a certain person. The films I like have to touch me in some way, amuse me, make me laugh, or make me think, or have an enjoyable escapist story, or be well acted, or are fun on some level, or appeal to my personal tastes and interests because of their atmosphere or ambiance.
There's nothing exotic (the root word of exotism) about this film. It doesn't look like any real country at all so it can't be an appeal of a particular culture or country influence (I don't even own any Italian films, for God's sake!). It's not set in Italy, nor does it feel like England or Romania. It's as Faery Tale-like as the villages of a Hammer film which I jokingly used to call Englagermania.
Now care to explain how I, Frankenstein is also Euro-exotism?
You must be a petty, pathetic, person to negatively judge me just for liking one bad film that you do not.
The fact is this is a fun movie. A fun bad movie where you can see there was actual effort put into it at points. With Syfy films they deliberately make them bad now so I cannot appreciate them or enjoy them as I would Plan 9 From Outer space but here, as with I, Frankenstein you can tell someone involved really did want to make something good, and somewhere along the way things got lost.
I also have a deep fondness for wolves and this one of the first and only Dracula films of the last twenty years to let him take the form of an actual wolf.
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davannacarter
10 years ago
Ma'am, how exactly do you expect me to respond to this little super-rant of yours?
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CountVladDracula
10 years ago
*Petting troll-boy.* So cute! Here's a cookie.
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davannacarter
10 years ago
No ma'am. Not a troll. A troll would do his best to insult you and make you mad. Since I can't force you to be mad, I can't be called a troll. One of the most difficult part of having a disagreement on the internet is the person getting mad can call you a troll to discredit you rather than going against what you're saying. You call me petty, pathetic, and obnoxious while I haven't called you names or cursed yet I am the troll here?
I read everything you wrote. But your conclusion is basically to say that just because you mainly don't watch European horror then that means you obviously can't like this movie for its Euro exoticism. The whole point is you like something you're not familiar with. I can't comment on your DVD collection because people don't only buy DVDs these days. For all I know, you can have more movies downloaded than on DVDs, and it's possible most of those downloaded are Euro horror. Also, I can't count on I, Frankenstein because I have no seen the movie. For all I know, you could like it for different reasons. In actuality, your review for Dracula 3D says it's fun, rotten, and cheesy fun, while your review for I, Frankenstein seems convey that you think the movie is flawed yet unfairly maligned. So it looks like, despite what you said, you do like the two movies for different reasons.
I originally came to the conclusion that you enjoyed the movie for its Euro exoticism due to this quote:
but I thought this was a lot more fun and Hammer-esque than anything Syfy could dream of making though, yes, it is corny but fun.
In this quote, you make it seem as if the Hammer resemblance was the main reason for your enjoyment. Then you change your tune and make it seems as if the Hammer aspect was a detriment:
...despite it's corny Hammer-esque quality.
So I don't know what to make of it now. You seem to be trying to suit your opinions in order to win and argument and it's not working.
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CountVladDracula
10 years ago
I like the atmosphere of Hammer and the color, the set designs, and even the theatrical stage-theatre style acting.
But there are qualities of Hammer I don't like, such as when it became overly about sex and gore in the early seventies and when it seemed to lose it's heart.
This film tries to capture early and later Hammer and I can forgive the later aspects for the earlier aspects.
And you HAVE called me a name. You insulted me by presuming my interests are "European exotism." I will not forgive that. It's the same as calling someone a shallow pretender, in regard to any genre. For a Gothic horror fan that's a slap in the face beyond reprieve. I'd rather be called an idiot than for someone to presume my reasons for liking something are so shallow. For that you. are. scum.
Yes, you have insulted me, yes, you have been contrary for the sake of being contrary- you define troll.
Do not call me Ma'am, ma'am means you respect someone. You have shown no respect. In fact in the follow up to claiming you never insulted me you Accuse me of what I might have downloaded to my computer.
You are unworthy of proper response for your accusations, assumptions, lack of respect and refusal to believe someone might like something for reasons that aren't raw pretentiousness. The fact that you think it requires pretentiousness to like a B horror film is mind boggling.
Exotism = To be drawn to the exotic culturally. But there is no "exotic" culture here. It's the same sort of setting and cultural representation you see in a 1950s or 1960s Hammer film or even a Grimm Faery tale. I could find that anywhere in varying qualities. That's not what makes me like this film. I like this film because it is cheesy, fun, and Dracula has some seldom used but traditional powers that I like such as being able to turn into a wolf.
If a vampire turning into a literal wolf is now exoticism, that is... a really depressing definition of exotic, especially since my favorite Dracula is Frank Langella and he's from New Jersey.
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davannacarter
10 years ago
Wait ma'am, back up. I said you like it for its Euro exotic quality and you equate me to saying you're a shallow pretender and that's unforgivable. If I said, "You only like the 2012 movie 'Woman in Black' because of its old-fashioned, traditional Gothic quality," wouldn't that be the same as calling you a shallow pretender? But the fact is that you specifically state that you like it because of its old-fashioned, traditional Gothic quality as you've precisely stated in your review.
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur4374846/comments?order=date&start=10
It does seem as if you're a shallow pretender for liking the Woman in Black since you never even state what you like about the acting, cinematography, editing, script, dialogue, pacing, characterizations, special effects, etc. And the same is here. You spend little time here specifying what makes this cheesy fun.
I don't get you. Apparently, you think being called a shallow pretender is horrible and unforgivable. But calling someone a pathetic, petty, obnoxious troll is acceptable? Nice logic.
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CountVladDracula
10 years ago
What I like about Woman in black is covered in my review of it. There is a review of it by me. And this is not for discussing woman in Black. This is for discussing Dracula 3D.
I like Woman in black because of the atmosphere, the ambiance. It has nothing to do with where it was filmed or the locations used. If that was all that was needed I would like the 1989 version yet I do not. The 1989 version was poorly paced and drawn out. The 2012 version felt like an older Hammer film. It had an isolated, mysterious quality that I like an also like in Sleepy Hollow (set in rural Upstate New York). I like the supernatural element, the mysteriousness, the haunting and dramatic scoring.
Also I had liked the Woman in black novel and felt the 2012 version was closer to the heart of the book than the 1989 version. I also liked the irony that Daniel Radcliffe played the lead and the actor who played his father in the first Harry Potter film was the lead in the first film version of Woman in Black.
Finally I liked the ending of the 2012 Woman in Black better than it's previous film incarnation. The fact that we got to see him go off with the spirit of his wife and child was bitter sweet. Still tragic but at least they were reunited. The original film did not give us that.
With Dracula 3D I like it for the very same reasons I like I, Frankenstein. Now explain, as you have yet to do, how I, Frankenstein would be European Exoticm. As you have decided to make a presumptuous judgement against me here is one for you.
You are sexist and dismissive of my tastes for the simple fact that you know my gender.
I don't get you. Apparently, you think being called a shallow pretender is horrible and unforgivable. But calling someone a pathetic, petty, obnoxious troll is acceptable?
No, it's called justice. And it's not just retaliatory, what I said was truth, what you said was not.
I have loved Gothic horror since I was four years old. One of the first books I ever read was In a Dark dark room by Alvin Schwartz. I suppose you'd accuse my Kindergarden self of being a European Eototicist for having liked an American complication of easy to read short yet spooky stories?
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davannacarter
10 years ago
You are sexist and dismissive of my tastes for the simple fact that you know my gender.
Wait ma'am, this doesn't make any sense. Are you saying it's not possible I'd be dismissive of your tastes if you were male?
Plus, I can't tell you about why you like I, Frankenstein because I haven't seen the movie.
I suppose you'd accuse my Kindergarden self of being a European Eototicist for having liked an American complication of easy to read short yet spooky stories?
This sentence also makes no sense whatsoever. I don't know what Eototicist is. But I do know is I questioned your like of the movie. You got abusive, not me. You started name calling, not me. You dismissed my desire to keep things civil, not me. And you started swearing, not me. Why don't we just start arguing and agree to disagree? And why don't we agree that you are the one being hostile and abusive, not me?
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CountVladDracula
10 years ago
Allow me to simplify this delightful conversation. I like what I enjoy for my own aesthetic and personal reasons. I don't care what others like, nor do I care why you THINK I like what I enjoy. I only humored this conversation out of abject late night boredom and now I have moved on from this troll feeding frenzy.
Here, this should tide you over until your next victim turns up.
http://i.imgur.com/hVzOraS.jpg
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