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question from white person regarding this film....


Hi,
I'm new to bollywood films, the first film I saw was Veer Zaara and I loved it! They definitely remind me of the old musicals of hollywood from the 30-40s. For about 2 years now all me and my partner watch are bollywood movies, more so than hollywood films.

Anyways, I had a question regarding this film. I know it's a remake of an older film so I thought perhaps people would know this. But there's a major fight scene shown in this movie that features indian drag queens, or men dressed up as women. Why is this so? If anyone's seen the original, is there a reason why the hero is fighting alongside drag queens? Im just interested to know why this is?

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Drag queens?.. No, they are intersexuals. And that is how they look or dress up in India.

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Actually I did some research they are known as hijra's, but why are they featured in this movie? Just curious, makes me interested more in the story.

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Hi, ccjp. First of all, welcome to Bollywood films.
It's a wonderful and rich world, in many many aspects.
It's a great place to be in and explore.
When the character of drug-kingpin Rauf Lala (Rishi Kapoor) takes Vijay Dinanath Chauhan (Hritik Roshan) "under his wing" as a ruler/main ruffian of the certain areas of the city, on which he criminally rules-- one of these sections (of the city) that he "gives as a present" to Vijay-- is the section of the city which is (known to be as) the section of the prostitutes and the hijras.
There's a major scene in the movie between Rauf Lala and Vijay in which Rauf Lala declares that he's "presenting" Vijay with the (criminal)'authorities' over that (and more) sections of the city.
It's not clearly shown in the film, but it's more implied, that Vijay, once the 'authority' over the section of the hijras and the prostitutes in the city-- (Vijay) treated both the hijras and the prostitutes more honestly, better and fairer than the cruel (and women-selling!) Rauf Lala ever did.
That's why when 'things come to a head' between Vijay and Rauf Lala, the hijras and the prostitutes actually make a choice and take a stand with Vijay Dinanath, in doing so-- also, in fact, at long-last, revolting against the crimes and many injustices of the cruel Rauf Lala, towards the hijras and the prostitutes.
I hope this answers your inquiry. I really Loved this movie!
If you need more clarifications about plot and Indian cultures, city/urban or village, I'd be glad to assist you if I can.
Blessings!! :-)

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also karan johar, bless him, tries to give a space to the "sexually marginalised" people of India. he's been trying to get indians to become more understanding towards homosexuality and has been doing a good job of it. for the last 10 or so years he's featured a gay guy or someone mistakenly thought of as gay in a lot of his films. in Kal Ho Naa Ho he had this running joke of Saif's maid catching SRK and Saif in situations that made her think they were gay. let's look at that again - SRK and Saif Ali Khan. a gay designer here, a gay wedding planner there, and then he made dostana. 10 years ago dostana would not have found a market, but now it does and that too with A list actors/actresses.

kudos to the man.

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Hijra's are not exactly gay. They are transsexuals.

Equating karan johar(gay?) with hijras is ridiculous.

The recognition of the third gender by indians is as old as indian civilization. There's also a brief interaction between lord krishna and a group of transsexuals in one of the indian epics where lord krishna gives them some boon or something like that.

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i didnt say hijras are gay; i said the "sexually marginalised" - meaning people who face prejudice because their take on sexual and gender roles are different from what's considered the norm by most people.

by no means am i equating karan johar with hijras. all i'm saying is that karan makes a point to shine the light on people who are treated by others as though they are not acceptable/normal.

i thought my post was pretty straightforward about what i meant. he's bringing things that we dont like to talk about or feel uncomfortable around to the forefront and gets people talking about these topics.


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ccjp,
Hijras are not drag queen equivalent of India. They have a unique social niche which doesn't have a parallel elsewhere. They are known as Kinnars/ Vrihanallas in regional languages and Eunuchs in English. They earn their living by begging that borders on extortion. It is very difficult to deny them money for physical as well as cultural reasons as there is a belief that a Hijra's curse is very potent. They are a secretive cult who forcefully and violantly kidnap and sterile sissy males to initiate them in the group and thereby increase the revenues. This is why they are associated with power and aggression and used in a fight scene in this movie. You might like to watch another Bollywood movie 'Sadak (1991)' where the main antagonist is a Hijra.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156985/

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yuk those hijras disgust me they nothing but homosexuals in women clothing who go round asking for handouts at weddings. i heard some of them are neither male or female.They are immune from the law for some reason dispite there begging behaviour

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