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Julianne Moore has done the impossible!


She made me feel sorry for Sarah Palin. Prior to viewing this movie, I felt that Governor Palin was simply an opportunist who completely lacked self-awareness. This movie makes it clear that while she was indeed blind to her own faults, she was also incredibly naive. The real villains (culprits) were those in the McCain campaign who chose to nominate a candidate without thoroughly vetting her. People who decided that personality politics mattered more than the ability to serve the public and ignored their own "country first" slogan. It is no coincidence that all of the people in McCain's campaign who threw Governor Palin to the wolves were men. I believe that rather than admit their culpability, they decided to let her be the scapegoat. Let me clear, that I am no Sarah Palin fan and I am as unconservative as it gets but I now understand why Governor Palin viewed what happened to her as being the result of sexism. No, sexism doesn't explain her lack of knowledge and she could certainly have declined the McCain camp's offer and waited until she gained more experience and knowledge. However, the fact that they so desperately wanted a female candidate to appeal to women voters that they didn't even consider anything beyond the superficial speaks to the depth of their sexism. Governor Palin's fitness for the job was a nonissue in their minds because they believed that all that mattered was having a female "trophy" vice presidential nominee. The reaction of the country caught them off guard not only because of how much they underestimated Governor Palin's lack of knowledge but because of how much they underestimated the electorate's standards for female candidates. They failed to realize that Hillary Clinton had already changed the game, not in 2008 but in 1992.

Back to the topic of the thoroughly underrated Julianne Moore - will someone please give this woman an Oscar! Her performance as Governor Palin makes Meryl Streep's Margaret Thatcher look like child's play. This was more than an impersonation. She really got inside Palin's head and her heart. You could really feel the insecurity, self-doubt and regret seeping in through her increasingly caustic veneer. This was a woman disappearing into herself - almost dissociating, her level of denial became so high. Julianne Moore nailed this and I really felt that I got to know the woman behind the headlines. It was easy to make fun of the Sarah Palin that we got to know through the lens of the election year political media but after watching Julianne Moore's portrayal, I feel that there is a complexity there that the political feeding frenzy missed.

Would I have ever voted for this woman? No. However, "Game Change" made me keenly feel the loss of a potential political star. Not everyone starts out at the head of their class. George W. Bush certainly did not. However, we like to think that in the United States, hard work and determination makes it possible for anyone to achieve greatness. Perhaps that was never in the cards for Governor Palin but I can't help but to think that something was stolen from her in 2008 and those responsible were never truly held accountable for it.

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It is not clear why she wasn't sent to a mental hospital or why she wasn't dropped from the ticket because of the catatonic stupors. The campaign had her profiled for mental illness at he BBQ but it was just a Brief thing at a BBQ. She still needs a fully done evaluation if the movie is true and Schmidt and Wallace say everything in it is a fact. So has palin been fully evaluated for mental illness which is what game change is about according to the and new York mag.

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Niv-1, you have over 100 posts obsessing about Sarah Palin having catatonic stupors and being mentally ill.

You insist that the movie shows Palin having catatonic stupors, but you never say where.

WHERE Niv-1? WHERE DOES THE MOVIE SHOW SARAH PALIN IN A CATATONIC STUPOR, WHICH MEANS SHE'S UNABLE TO FEED HERSELF, TO DRESS HERSELF, TO GO TO THE BATHROOM OR TO CLEAN HERSELF? WHERE?

Where Niv-1, where does the movie show Sarah Palin having the catatonic stupors that you obsess about?

"Niv-1, you are scarier than Palin as president. And that's saying something." BonnieL (Tue Mar 27 2012 15:58:26)

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Schimdt goes up to palin and says he needs to start eating better and she is hooked on a bad diet and shows her rolled up In a ball and shows her crying and rocking back and forth and she is totally uncommunicative with Nicole Wallace. You need to watch the movie

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Schmidt and Wallace say everything in the movie is true as well so I the movie says she had catatonic stupors she did and the movie illustrated her stupor behavior several times.

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WHERE DOES THE MOVIE SHOW HER IN A CATATONIC STUPOR NIV-1?

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Fetal position surrounded by paper and an education session where she does not respond to anything are two. Mark Wallace said she constantly went Into them an the movie does depict parts of catatonic stupors.

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Those are not catatonic stupors Niv-1.

Nowhere in the movie is Palin depicted in a catatonic stupor having lost motor function and unable to feed herself or clean herself, which is what catatonia is.

Campaign team member Mark Wallace described Palin's refusal to cooperate in preparing for interviews "like a catatonic stupor". Palin was never shown as being unable to walk unaided, or being incapacitated. Palin was never depicted in a catatonic stupor. Which does not stop you Niv-1 from posting obsessively that Sarah Palin is mentally ill. That Sarah Palin;

- has ” a severe mental disorder that would lead the campaign to hire doctors to spy on her.

-”crying and shaking saying 'where is my baby' over and over again.”

-”doctors trying to do visual diagnosis of insanity”

-Palin is "a danger to her children"

-Palin ”seen as totally insane by people according to the movie”

-Palin ”curled up in the fetal position and could not function for days”

-”McCain saying she is such a stupid woman"

-"Palin was tested for insanity. That test was inconclusive."

None of these things were in the movie either Niv-1, but like your obsessive posting that Sarah Palin is mentally ill and suffering catatonic stupors, honesty and accuracy are clearly not important to you.

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But you are missing the scene where she is in the fetal position surrounded by papers! The scene where she is rocking back and forth about missing her baby and not responding to anything going on in the room she's in. When Wallace is trying to talk to her but all Palin talks about is Alaska poll numbers and the Alaska survey. The doctor at the Arizona BBQ was called in to do a mental profile. It's right after all the catatonic stupor talk. All of his is in the movie which brings up her awful diet which may have been contributing to all her catatonic stupors and being on the verge of a mental breakdown which are both lines from the movie. But of course catatonic stupors are already a mental illness.

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But you are missing the scene where she is in the fetal position surrounded by papers!

So laying on the floor means you're in a catatonic stupor?

What exactly was the line where you claim the neighbor was told to "do a mental profile" on Sarah Palin?

...but all Palin talks about is Alaska poll numbers and the Alaska survey.

Catatonics don't speak.

Again, the scene you cite where she says she misses sleeping with her baby... catatonics don't speak. Nor do they text. Or feed themselves. Or participate in political debates.



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The movie brings up catatonic stupors and since wallace and Schmidt both agree everything in the movie is true and there is nothing in it that is false about palin she did have something like catatonic stupors which is most illustrated by her lying on the floor in the fetal position surrounded by papers. It's not clear how long she was on the floor. The ignoring everyone while she texts and asking about alaska polls was striking everyone in the campaign as her being insane and they called a doctor to observe her and then got her to be trained like an actress for the debate not any unscripted or spontaneous moments. But if she was fine why bring up catatonic stupors and the doctor profiling her for mental illness at the BBQ.

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The movie brings up catatonic stupors

Mark Wallace described Palin's stubborn refusal to prepare for her upcoming events as "She goes into these catatonic stupors." Wallace is not a doctor, he is a lawyer. He was not speaking as a medical professional or making a diagnosis. Can you understand the difference?

Lying on the floor does not mean someone is catatonic.

Ignoring everyone while she texts is not catatonia, it's just rude and unprofessional.

striking everyone in the campaign as her being insane

Where does the movie have everyone in the campaign saying Sarah Palin is insane? Where does it have anyone saying she's insane Niv-1? (Don't bother looking, it doesn't.)

They called a NEIGHBOR, who is a doctor. No physician was hired to "profile her for mental illness". Doctors were not "hired to spy on her".

the doctor profiling her for mental illness at the BBQ.

No one at the BBQ was profiled for mental illness Niv-1. But you should be.

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What else was the doctor there for? He was profiling her for mental illness! That is what Schmidts call is about to mccain right before that scene at the BBq! you are just completely refusing to put that scene into context. You just refuse to put in the context that it is in the movie. HE was profling her for mental illness. That's the point of the scene. He wasn't giving her physical. LOL. The movie shows no interaction between palin and the doctor. It is all the doctor observing her. HIs lines to schmidt relfect that its all mental. Son in iraq? Why would affect her physically? It was all about her mental state. Even the new born that was also all about the mental state. That is what schmidts phone call was about to mccain before the bbq scene.

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McCain has a line about having a doctor friend who can observe her at the party. I am not sure I'd you have ever seen the part of the movie before the BBq where Schmidt calls McCain about worrying about palins mental state and then McCain saying he has a doctor friend. It's several building up to it you have to put them all together.

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You're right - noticed that he does quite often go erratically overboard.

Good summary btw! :)







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Hi StrayCat, and welcome to the Game Change board.

May I ask, who are you referring to? (Quite a few of the posters here go "overboard"!)

I have enjoyed your postings and fresh opinions. Again, welcome.

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Thanks stilavictor, it's good to have finally watched this movie which I think is very well made and entertaining, and there seems to (surprisingly) be some pretty good & diligent writers on this board including yourself.

I was referring to Niv-1 ~ it seems like s/he tends to frequently & erratically go over the top wrt topics (i.e. "overboard").





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@cozychalet ... did you even watch the movie?

a form of catatonia characterized by a marked decrease in response to the environment with a reduction in spontaneous movement. Patients with this disorder sometimes appear unaware of their environment.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/catatonic+stupor

I would say that there are several scenes in which Palin is shown in a state like the bolded part above. Also, there is a clear scene where Palin is out of it while people are attempting to talk to her and ask her questions and when they try to get her attention, she is clearly out of it. Then in the next scene, Mike Wallace is talking to Steve via phone and telling him how she goes into catatonic stupors. That she is out of it, doesn't believe the things people are telling her, wonders if she's mentally unstable. And then there is a scene where she is curled up in a fetal position, out of it.

So my question now is, do you people think that NIV just pulled this catatonic stupid bullcrap out of thin air? And you're upset he dare bring that up? Because the damn movie talks about this. So my guess, just a random little guess, this might be why NIV is bring this up and talking about it.

Again, did you even watch the movie?

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Sometimes I say they haven't seen the movie but really think it may be a total inability to put scenes into context. They say the scene of her on the floor surrounded by paper is her taking a nap. Regardless of the other scenes where she wont respond or is being said to be in a catatonic stupor. They do hire a doctor to observe her secretly- but the scene of her on the floor in a robe? Just a shot of her taking a nap meaning nothing. Just the director decided to show palin taking a nap.

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beklah324, I actually own the movie. I got tired of people claiming facts not in evidence, so I bought it. (Plus I think it's an excellent film, a great behind-the-scenes look into national politics that my houseguests who haven't seen it enjoy.)

So after watching Game Change again, I am happy to report that contrary to what Niv-1 claims, there is no scene of Palin manically rocking and crying and mumbling incoherently "I miss my baby, I miss my baby, I miss my baby". Nor are there any scenes showing Palin in a stupor. And nowhere in the film does John McCain call Palin "that stupid woman".

And as for your insistence that Palin is "out of it" (beklah324, for future discussion please define "out of it"), there are no scenes in the film that show Palin as unable to respond to her environment, or experiencing "a reduction in spontaneous movement".

"Mike Wallace is talking to Steve via phone and telling him how she goes into catatonic stupors."
Actually it's "Mark" Wallace not "Mike" (you really do need to re-watch the movie beklah). Anyway, in the scene that a certain poster bases their insistence that Sarah Palin is insane on, campaign worker Mark Wallace describes Palin's refusal to cooperate in prepping for her upcoming appearances as "catatonic stupors". (In that same scene Schmidt asks this campaign worker Wallace what he thinks about the upcoming debate and Wallace says; "I think this debate will be a debacle of historic and epic proportions." Obviously Wallace was wrong on both counts.)

"do you people think that NIV just pulled this catatonic stupid bullcrap out of thin air?
No, as people who have followed this board know well, Niv-1 is obsessed with Sarah Palin. Niv fervently believes that Sarah Palin is insane. Niv has hundreds of posts about it. I imagine what people here think (and you can read it here in post after post, and pages and pages), is that Niv-1 has taken a line from a movie where a campaign worker describes an angry, petulant Sarah Palin refusing to participate as "catatonic stupors", and Niv-1 clings to that as his/her "proof" that Sarah Palin is catatonically insane. (Niv also claims that John McCain says Palin is a stupid woman, that Sarah Palin is a danger to her children, that Palin has secretly been tested for insanity but the tests were inconclusive, and on, and on, and on. Hundreds of posts obsessing about Sarah Palin. Hundreds. Read 'em.)

Read 'em and then you'll understand why most people here don't respond to Niv-1. (Niv-1 actually starts threads now and replies to them when no one else does, so he/she can continue to rant about Sarah Palin.)

Hundreds of posts obsessing about Sarah Palin. Hundreds. Read 'em.

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No the movie says she is insane. Why you say you have the movie but deny the scene that she is on the floor in her bathrobe surrounded by paper is her in a catatonic stupor that everyone in the movie has been talking about but say it is her taking a nap is bizarre. All of a sudden with everyone talking about Palin having catatonic stupors in the movie they show her taking a nap just makes no sense!

What is wrong with you that don't understand that scene with the doctor in Arizona is all about? Everyone in the movie is talking about Palin having catatonic stupors and nervous breakdowns and then that doctor observes her in the BBQ! That was observing her for mental illness!

You may have seen the movie and own the movie but you are just totally clueless and weird about your viewing of it! What is going on with your comprehension ability? It's like you have none.

"there is no scene of Palin manically rocking and crying and mumbling incoherently "I miss my baby, I miss my baby, I miss my baby"."

It is so crazy that you would post this when there is. She is crying and rocking back and forth saying "I miss my baby I miss sleeping with my baby!" I don't understand how you say there is no scene with that!

Here are four sources of her saying that! 4 Sources

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/09/hbo-s-game-change-goes-easy-on-sarah-palin-john-mccain-in-2008-saga.html

http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/02/12/sarah-palin-says-must-we-when-chris-wallace-shows-video-clip-hbo-film

http://washingtonexaminer.com/hbos-game-change-portrays-meltdown-palin/article/1102861

http://www.policymic.com/articles/5300/sarah-palin-movie-game-change-is-unrealistic-and-offensive/100610


I don't think you have seen this movie. I don't understand why you are lying about what is in the movie when this is a board where people watch and discuss movies. What is going on with you?

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I can resolve this for you both. Game Change is still on my dvr. ------ There is a scene where Sarah Palin says she misses sleeping with her baby. That's probably the one you're talking about. She's sitting in looks like a conference room with a group of people. She is not crying and rocking back and forth.

Hope this helps.

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She is crying. She is sitting but not still.

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^Wow. Just wow.

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LaurelCyn- "I can resolve this for you both.....She is not crying and rocking back and forth."

Niv-1- "She is crying. She is sitting but not still."

LaurelCyn- "Wow. Just wow."

Hi LaurelCyn. Welcome to Niv-1Land, where what is not real, wasn't said, and never happened is posted about obsessively. Of course Sarah Palin is not "rocking back and forth, crying and mumbling incoherently 'where's my baby, where's my baby', where's my baby" as Niv claims. And even though you took the time to find the scene in the film and post what's actually shown, it doesn't matter. Niv-1 simply ignores facts and continues posting that Sarah Palin is insane.





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She is crying I dont get how you can say she isn't! Or that she's isnt rocking! Or that she isnt mumbling about her baby. It's all in that scene. Crying rockin and mumbling about her baby. that is why the movie shows the campaign hiring a doctor to check If she's insane and observing her a the BBQ!

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Actually, I disliked her even more! I felt sorry for John McCain. He got *beep*

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Agreed that the movie managed to elicit empathy for Palin being thrust into the position she found herself in, and Julianne Moore's mesmerizing depiction of that. But, I think (1) even PRIOR to being vetted for VP she was an opportunist. She abandoned her citizens and position as mayor because she had a chance at being governor. (2) DURING? Well that is depicted in the movie ~ "going rogue" so to speak, not studying the issues nor preparing for interviews, doing whatever the hell she wanted, "hurting McCain". (3) AFTER? She again abandoned her citizens, this time resigned as governor in order to make big moola in books, speaking engagements, other TV and reality shows.

The guys in the campaign of course were also to blame to major extent, they wanted a woman to narrow the spread in votes, and thought Palin would be the perfect energizer for the republican base which in fact turned out to be true, but they made it quite clear to Palin in advance that her life would be over as she knew it. This is the big leagues, Palin knew she'd be scrutinized under a microscope, could have and SHOULD HAVE said no thanks. The only reason she went along with it was for HERSELF, not the country, not McCain. The campaign did finally publicly admit to their blunder in selecting Palin.

"Game Change" made me keenly feel the loss of a potential political star.
Must disagree with this wholeheartedly. Palin was hugely popular after the election and remained the darling of the republican party for quite a long time. Of course we witnessed this in real life, but it was also depicted in the movie by the look of awe & surprise on the campaign staff's faces when the crowd repeatedly yelled "Palin" at McCain's concession speech. Republicans were even excited and encouraged she'd run in 2012. There was huge momentum and all the potential in the world to become a "political star" with one big exception ~ Palin's lack of intelligence.




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The couric interview really completely destroyed palin among republicans too after the election was over. She never would lead in any poll about republicans for 2012. Polls in iowa and polls in NH palin never held a lead in any poll. Republicans stood by her in 2008 in the middle of presidential election but abandoned her in large numbers so that she never lead a poll for 2012 president. She has a small base of supporters but to say republicans really liked her was wrong. The polls did not show that for 2012. There was no support for her. Lots of conservatives in republicans even hated her in 2008 and were demanding her removal from the ticket but still supported mccain.

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I was not referring to 2012. However, in 2008 to 2010 she continued to be looked upon very favorably by republicans.




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"the darling of the republican party for quite a long time."

This is not true. She was the darling of a small number of republicans. Not republicans as a whole. In polls of Republicans taken after 2008 she was not at the top of lists of republican popularity.

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Agreed with your starting post, abby_s.

During the 2008 election season, I said to my brother-in-law many times that she was a great politician who was pulled from the fryer before she was fully cooked. It's a real shame. I also think that if she was more aware of, well, the world, she wouldn't be so vitriolic about the things she disagreed with.

In the book that the film is based on, her "catatonic" spells are explained as a kind of postpartum depression, because she was missing the bonding period of her child's infancy; hence, the line about missing her baby. Once she was surrounded by family again, she was full of spark, and the depression lifted.

At the time I remember being critical of her for bringing her family along on the campaign trail; now I see that she was doing it for her own well-being, not the campaign.

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It's wrong to say palins mental state improved because the movie clearly shows her totally uncooperative in every way and never doing anything asked of her ever and she lied about everything like being cleared on troopergate and the people in the movie as her wanting to give w concession speech as the most insane thing ever even Though Geraldine Ferraro did it. If she was vulnerable to post partum depression when away from her kids how could she have traveled the world as vp? Her family was like Prozac or zoloft or something? That's not good. What you wrote is worse than the movie shows. Her mental state depends on proximity Family?

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You are sooooo right! Julianne Moore did an astounding job!

I saw Game Change when it first came out and thought is was excellent, really top notch. Then tonite we had friends over and we were talking about beautiful redheads and of course Moore's name came up, and our friends had not seen Game Change. It happened to be coming on HBO, so they stayed to watch it. OMG! Julianne Moore (and everyone) gave such performances. Sarah Paulson was so raw, I felt every emotion Nicole Wallace had. And Woody was so spare, so restrained. Ed Harris didn't even need the toupee and makeup, he could have done McCain without it and still have given McCain dignity and compassion.

Watching Game Change a second time I was able to focus on Julianne Moore's performance. Just brilliant, flawless. No wonder she won all those awards. She gave Sarah Palin a depth and vulnerability, and a humanness that we don't see in the real Sarah Palin Celebrity Politician on tv. Moore showed us Sarah Palin the woman, with all her flaws, and her attributes, and her humanity.

Wow. Bravo Julianne.

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Only I did not think Julianne had her voice right. Ed Harris was the best in his role. Harrelson was surprisingly bad in this.

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I think Julianne Moore gave such a stunning performance that if Game Change was a feature film, she would have walked away with the Oscar. As it is, she won the Screen Actors Guild Award, an Emmy, and the Golden Globe! (Among others!)

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I totally agree Stilavictor. I hope that one day outstanding cable movies like Game Change will be included in the Academy Awards. If they were, Julianne Moore would have definitely won for Best Actress.

We just watched Game Change again with some friends who hadn't seen it. Afterwards we had a stimulating discussion about the movie and the choosing of Palin, and the GOP, and the political process. Pretty much the only things we all did agree on was that we were grateful Sarah Palin did not get elected, that Game Change was a first rate production, and that Julianne Moore is one of America's premiere actresses.

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Why didn't the campaign drop this woman from the ticket? It is the only thing that the movie brings to mind at all. Why did they deal with her? SHe was destroying the campaign in the polls after couric and going through personal catatonic stupors and "knew nothing" and was impossible? WHy did they deal with this woman?

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"I hope that one day outstanding cable movies like Game Change will be included in the Academy Awards."

I think that soon the Academy will change the criteria for eligibility to include made for cable films, and even films made for internet streaming, because multimedia is the future of film.

I'm not worried about Julianne Moore not being eligible to win an Oscar for Game Change (and I totally believe she would have won) because I'm sure Ms. Moore has many Oscar noms in her future.

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No way. The oscars are about movies that play in theaters. Hbo could have released game change in one theater before they aired it but didn't.

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"multimedia is the future of film."

Speaking of, have you seen Netflix's "House Of Cards" with Kevin Spacey & Robin Wright? Another top notch behind-the-scenes of politics like Game Change, that hopefully will be setting the standard for the future of streaming entertainment. I highly recommend it!

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She played palin as incredibly stupid and mentally imbalanced so much so that in the movie a doctor was hired to spy on her to check her mental issues. There was an extreme inhuman monster who repelled everyone she came in contact with in the campaign staff. And then even though her son was going to war and might die she didn't know anything about it. Didn't care. THe worst mother in history. It was a political hit job and she won because of liberalism. Palin's explicit view was that her son was going to war to fight saddam because he was behind 9/11. Incredible stupidity.

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This movie opened my eyes about several aspects of Palin.

First of all, Julianne Moore's performance was amazing if only for the fact that she conveyed a sympathethic part of the Palin personality not avialable for the public to see and she did it very realistically.

This movie made it clear that Palin does love her family dearly, which was not clear during the campaign. It appeared sometimes that they were being used, but that was not the case. Her separation from them was a contributing factor to her struggles.

However, feeling sorry for Palin during her struggles does not overcome the simple fact that she had full knowledge of her shortcomings and should have never accepted the McCain campaign offer to run.

The easy thing for the public to do during the interview mistakes, flubs, and inability to answer simple questions was to believe that Palin was just dumb. She was not dumb, as demonstrated by her speaking skills at rallies. She was incurious, uninformed, ignorant, and lazy. This is far worse than being dumb because she had a responsibility to the people of America to do her absolute best. He lack of interest in doing her best makes her appear to be nothing more than a con artist. She was attempting to con the American voters.

The con artist aspect to her personality continues to this day every time she attempts to speak about matters of vital importance to this nation. She is guilty of self-promotion for financial gains on matters that she is not qualified to speak.

The McCain staff and John McCain himself failed the American people monumentally by putting forth such an ill-informed and ill-equipped Vice Presidental candidate. To think that they did this, without a full vetting of Palin, only for the sake of winning is quite frightening and extremely irresponsible.

I shudder to think how close this country could have been to having someone like Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

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If palin did love her family - wouldn't she want to know all the facts about why her son was going to Iraq? All the facts and Not nonsense about saddam attacking the US on 9/11? she had no idea about anything about why her son might die in Iraq at all. Didn't care to know anything about it. Didn't know the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq and her sons life was in danger. The palin in the movie cares nothing for the family.

She is depicted as very dumb and very stupid but the best actress in American Policitcs who can recite lines and speak to a crowd because she can act. She's very very stupid and ignorant but can act.

The failure the McCain goes way beyond picking palin but sticking with her when they knew how stupid she is from Wallace and schmidts very first conversations with her!

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"Julianne Moore's performance was amazing if only for the fact that she conveyed a sympathethic part of the Palin personality not avialable for the public"
Amazing performance. Highly acclaimed and awarded as such. And definitely, the movie showed a sympathetic side of Palin that the public didn't see during the campaign.
"This movie made it clear that Palin does love her family dearly, which was not clear during the campaign. It appeared sometimes that they were being used, but that was not the case. Her separation from them was a contributing factor to her struggles."
And John McCain arranging for Palin's family to be reunited with her was a contributing factor to Palin doing so well in the debate.
"However, feeling sorry for Palin during her struggles does not overcome the simple fact that she had full knowledge of her shortcomings and should have never accepted the McCain campaign offer to run."

I don't know if I agree. It's like the age-old question "Do stupid people know they are?". Did Sarah Palin know she was unqualified for the nomination? Or did she naively and arrogantly think she was perfect to be the Vice President of the United States?
"The easy thing for the public to do during the interview mistakes, flubs, and inability to answer simple questions was to believe that Palin was just dumb. She was not dumb, as demonstrated by her speaking skills at rallies."
Sarah Palin is definitely NOT dumb. She is shrewd, ruthless, ambitious and self promoting.
"She was incurious, uninformed, ignorant, and lazy. This is far worse than being dumb because she had a responsibility to the people of America to do her absolute best. He lack of interest in doing her best makes her appear to be nothing more than a con artist. She was attempting to con the American voters."
Or, did she really not grasp that she was unqualified?
"The con artist aspect to her personality continues to this day every time she attempts to speak about matters of vital importance to this nation. She is guilty of self-promotion for financial gains on matters that she is not qualified to speak."
Absolutely. But that doesn't stop her!
"The McCain staff and John McCain himself failed the American people monumentally by putting forth such an ill-informed and ill-equipped Vice Presidental candidate. To think that they did this, without a full vetting of Palin, only for the sake of winning is quite frightening and extremely irresponsible."
I agree that the GOP screwed up big time, but I don't think McCain is as culpable in the disastrous choice of Palin. McCain relied on the professionals that were hired to make the best choices for the GOP and for McCain's campaign. By the time the inner circle of the GOP began to realize that Palin was a train wreck, there was nothing that could be done about it. Plus, the huge ultra-conservative, religious right Republican base loved Sarah Palin. Like John McCain said to Palin after the election "You're one of the leaders of the party now Sarah."

Which is why Game Change was made.
"I shudder to think how close this country could have been to having someone like Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency."

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The movie shows McCain watching the couric interview and then saying "I thought Katie liked me". What does that have to do with anything!?? He saw Palins extreme stupidity and did nothing. It wasn't too late to do anything! It was only 2 weeks after he picked her! Just two weeks? McCain did not recognize extreme stupidity when he saw it. Schmidt and Wallace saw it in their first conversations with her.

The reason the movie shows you about why she did well in the debate was that Schmidt stopped treating her like she could learn anything and was just an actress who could memorize lines! But all polls said Biden Winning the debate. She didn't do well and win it she just didn't have another live couric thing. But because they had trained her like an actress because she was too stupid to learn concepts. And voters wanted Biden!

Then she became an uncooperative monster who said "I know what I know" and did whatever she wanted. Mccai. Said he was afraid Of her and her turning on him!!

The base didn't know the truth about Palins catatonic stupors and nasty private behavior! That is why polls of the republican base never had her ahead in any state for president.

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"I don't think McCain is as culpable in the disastrous choice of Palin."

We just rewatched the movie and I think John McCain probably spent the least amount of time with Palin of everyone. He really didn't know her, other than the "You betcha! I'm your gal!" speech she gave him initially. But he would be the one to look bad every time Palin looked bad. And he couldn't very well say "Uh, I screwed up and it turns out Sarah Palin was the wrong choice but vote for me for president anyway"! I felt sorry for John McCain.

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But the movie shows him watching the couric interview and then he does nothing. People including Wallace knew palin was a wrong disaster so him dropping her had to have meant only good things. It's not like it was debatable whether or not she was a disaster and damaging the ticket- it's a fact. And they had the fact of the doctor they hired to observe her. He could have said she developed mental issues which is what they got the doctor for. Great ready made excuse that they didn't explore. The doctor in the movie gives a lists of exceptions and caveats saying she isnt bad for a new mother but how about vice president? The issue was vice president not newborn.

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I have always love Julianne Moore and respected her ability to completely inhabit her characters, but she took her talent even further here by totally morphing into someone we already knew (or thought we did). This is a very nuanced, sensitive portrayal of a divisive figure in politics, and kudos to Julianne for pulling it off. 8/10 stars from me.

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I thought she was so amazing I give her a 9/10.

I would give her a 10 out of 10, but that's reserved for Meryl in Sophie's Choice.

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Well, I'll go for giving Julienne Moore a 10/10 for her portrayal! (However, I also agree with you about Sophie's Choice, a film I can't even think about without distress.)

Here's what I think the movie showed about Sarah Palin, though. Turns out it's worse than we even thought it was. It's not that the movie shows her deluded into thinking she is smarter than everyone else knows. It's that she came to believe that intelligence, education, preparation all have NO PLACE in someone who is "Presidential material."

She even said as much, herself-- if she did what she could do best, then the American people LOVED her. That's all she came to believe in. She believed that's enough to be VP/President, and she went around selling the crowds on it, too, which is perhaps the most damaging aspect of her appeal.

I remember during the campaign seeing various ordinary people interviewed who gushed about Palin that "she's one of us" or "she's just like the rest of us" or "she makes me feel like I'm her equal," etc. While I understand the emotional appeal of that kind of grassroots rapport, the real message is that the country can be run by someone who is no different from you or me. WTF? I sincerely hope not. There is no way I could be VPres or Pres of the US, and I have at least two and maybe three more college degrees than Palin has.

This dangerous strain of anti-intellectualism and anti-education in our country is frightening not only for its stoking hatred among the "grassroots-types" (for lack of a better word) but it will ultimately kill both our government and our educational systems. In my state, taxpayers are getting less and less willing to pay taxes to fund our schools; they want to keep more of their own money! Cut those taxes. Teachers don't need no more money, anyhow. We need to build more prisons in our state, so that's where any tax money goes. Not to the schools. We have public schools in my city that still aren't air conditioned.

But it's not showy to run on a platform of air conditioning all the schools. No, we need to improve our students' terrible rankings in math and reading (never mind the fact that they're spending probably 5 or 6 months of the year in unair-conditioned classrooms when temperatures are in the mid- and upper-90s). Bush's "no child left behind" has all but destroyed public education in our country, which is amazingly ironic when you think about the fact that he and his party spent so much time viciously attacking the unwieldy size of the Federal Government and of course the amount of money it takes to fund "big government," and yet his administration added more Federal rules and restrictions and inane standardized testing, and a whole lot more business-types (who know little to nothing about education) hired to check up on it all, on to an educational system that was working a whole lot better at the state level than before he brought his "Big Government" to take over "assessment" and "accountability." And, forgive me for a bitter remark, but the very people who are sent to measure "good teaching" don't have the slightest idea what good teaching is. It can't be measured on a business model of success. But this is what happens when our government's leaders care more about courting the love and favor of the people than about finding real solutions to real problems through the intellectual and academic disciplines that make up our educational systems.

I didn't mean to go off on that tangent, but it's a good example of what results from the kind of politics that are all show and no substance, no true knowledge. The showmanship puts people at ease and makes a large segment of our country feel more accepted and less insecure, since Ol' Roughrider Teddy is just one of us, you know? Just Plain Folks.

But if he or she is just one of us, then who is qualified to run the country?

One of the Congressional districts near where I live elected a new Congressman and sent him off to Washington a year or so ago, I guess, with his only experience of ANY kind being that he is a bang-up great auctioneer. Yup. He shore is loved in these here parts. But what will he contribute to the House? I mean, really. I guess if they need to auction off something, he's their man.

It's this knack of appealing to people's general need for love and for feeling good about themselves, even if they never went to college or wouldn't know a newspaper if it bit them-- that is what this movie shows Sarah Palin discovering during the campaign. The idea of "just being yourself" isn't diabolical, but while she's is just bein' folks and making us feel like we belong somewhere with someone, she's not coming clean about her complete inability to do anything but drum up popularity. And worse, she doesn't feel the least bit bad about the "bait and switch" she's perpetrating.

The person who sat with Katie Couric was the REAL Sarah Pslin, it turns out, because she didn't prepare and thus she was answering from her own honest store of knowledge, however small. But she was perfectly happy letting us THINK that the real Sarah Palin was the one who knocked a grand slam in the debate, when in actuality she was only reciting material researched and written for her by someone else.

Okay, it's true, all Presidents and VPs have "ghost writers," but the difference is that those past Prezs at least understood what they were saying. Even if a more eloquent writer put it into words, the speaker knew what he was saying, and more besides. With Sarah Palin, it was apparently "fake it til you fake it." An endless loop.

AND if you don't like the outcome of some event-- like, say, a court case brought against you-- she clearly learned that all you have to do is say what you wish had happened instead. Todd belonged to the radical society to secede from the union? Oh,no-- he signed mistakenly on the wrong thing. For SEVEN YEARS??

Terrifying.

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The Alaska independence party elected a governor of Alaska in 1990. It was a party about libertarianism and non establishment. The platform of the party included a vote for independence but in Alaska it really was mainstream third party that elected governors. If palin had been vetted that surely would have reached her husband too. But she wasn't vetted so neither was he. She was chosen off of one YouTube video.

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