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Sounds like a ripoff of...


...Every Steven Seagal movie. Should have been called "Under Siege 3"

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Only this will (without a doubt) be 100X better

Hogarth, you stay. I go. No following.

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What?! Under Siege was an amazing movie! Seagal may not be the best actor, he's far form the worst. He's also one of the best combat-fighters in the world. IF you any doubts about his ability to wipe out the rest of the cast of the Expendables in a real gun-fight, you only need to look at him use a gun. Or a knife, or a sword, and of course he can put you down like you're nothing with his hands.

So many people equate boxing (Which I am a boxer, btw, I also train in combative-aikido, krav maga, and I have a black belt in both Karate and Tae Kwon Do. Though I'm moving on past those two MAs now. I've had to defend myself in a mugging-attempt where I was bashed and slashed across the side really badly, my entire left side was a bruise with an ugly cut...I managed to capture the weapon on and then dislocate my opponents shoulder and use the huge chisel-like weapon to create an arm lock using his arm as a wrap around the weapon itself. That's when I got hit in the head with a rock from a much skinner, white guy who looked like he was tweaking his balls off-It was dark, it happened fast, and even though I have 17 years of martial arts experience the fight was ugly, brutal, and I nearly took it too far.

I kicked the skinny feller behind me and I got right above his groin, right dead-center pubic-region. And that is another sweet-spot (like your "chin-button" or solar-plexis, or groin, or boobs if you're a girl, lips, ears, nose, knees), hittting someone hard enough there will take the strength from their legs mighty quick.

The larger man who seemed to be Tongan-I'm 6'2 and currently 235 lbs, btw, about 25-30 lbs over my boxing weight, which I'm encouraged to drop to 195 so I can be a cruiser over a heavy but I digress within another digression :P-He was 3-4 inches bigger than I was, we both had muscular arms but gutty. He seemed to be around my age, which is 26, and he was definitely on something. When I dislocated his hsoulder he barely made a sound at first. I kneed him in the face, he barely made a sound. Lots of ugly thudding and a full-on beatdown in which I threw my back out (again. I suffer from chronic back problems so my career, whatever it may have been, as a boxer is left on the back burner, for now, I have every intention of making it back. I have tendon damage in both knees, my right arm. I ahve severe back pain and take meds for it. But I have dropped 20 lbs over the summer and my biceps are actually looking like biceps over giant man-flab. I, like Steven Seagal, don't seem to put on muscle in the best way. I'd compare myself to a mixture of 90s Seagal with 2010 James Toney, a pretty good mix there. lmao! *toots own horn some more*

The moral of this poorly-told story is that while I can't go more than 2-3 rounds, probably not even 2 against a far less experienced fighter than my already under-experienced ass--IS this: Combative fighting and being a combative fighter is completely different than being an MMA fighter. To boot, there are guys who are quite a bit fatter than Seagal is, and definitely was when he was their age. For a 62 year old the man is incredible .He reminds me a lot of my dad who is former Marine Recon, Vietnam. He trained SEALs to fight during their inception. He has trained hundreds of men and women. He put serious work into gtraining me and getting me training with world-class fighters. I won my last 20 amateur bouts in a row, I've only had 14 losses in 75 fights, 1 no contest, 3 draws. Far from the greatest, but also far from the worst, and, from what all three of my non-dad trainers say, I'm well above-average and Gene Fullmer thought I could be upper-echelon material.

I was doing pretty damn well for that back injury that has haunted my life, been the bane of it all (back injury? Bane? me am so punny!), I live with a lot of pain but I still train every day. I can still put someone on their back with some quick manuevering. I have a friend who is a body-builder and weight-lifter, he also is lightly self-tauhgt in fighting, but he is a great street fighter and has great instincts. Anyway, he is just massive and I was able to put him in a position where I looked infinitely stronger than he was due to position, momentum, and leverage.

So if I'm so above the average person, not average fighter, or average martia lartist, but AVERAGE PERSON WHO NEVER TRAINS A SINGLE DAY IN THEIR LIFE IN SELF-DEFENSE. The people who only fight when they are so enraged it's fight or flight. Anyway, if I am, why did I take a beating damn near a year-ago to this day? How did I turn it around, me being 1/3 the fighter that I am right now? I think that it's easy for anyone who isn't completely honed-in into what they do, and only professional martial artists who do it all day every day can really hold claim to that-Even then, anyone can be taken by surprise-Which is my point, it's easy to look great in a ring with rules or doing choreography. IT's not easy to have 4-8 people charge at you for your test in aikido (I've had this done several times, on my 4th try I was able to face off against 6 and just repel and move, repel and move. Had I been able to fully realize Bruce Lee's "Be like water, my friend" sentiment and true piece of wise-advice (:P), I'd probably had been able to put them down, stick'n'move, of course bineg something you perfect not only in Aikido but in Western Boxing.

Seagal is a 7th freakin' don in this category, an absolute master. He was genuinenly putting Anderson Silva down and while Silva could definitely get a stunning shot off and then take Seagal to ground, the biggest question isn't "What could a fat old man possibly do?" so much as it is, "What can this older man with 40+ years of martia larts experience do to me before he gasses out?"

Again, Seagal, my dad, myself, when we enter real combat, the goal is to not put on a show, it's to put an end to your predicament.

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Damn! Are you queer for that poser Seagal?

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Jesus lizards! You must really like to hear yourself talk. Or, maybe you should buy a dog for some companionship...

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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A real man holds his woman's hair while she pukes.

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Ill never be able to un-read that, there was no reason to write tha absaloute nonsense

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steven seagal is a terrible actor. sorry.

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What the *beep* does that have to do with anything I wrote?

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Well for starters you defended Segal as being an OK actor. That guy clearly disagreed with you.

Second, after your rant about how BA you think you are, he was just trying to get back on subject.

"You keep calling me Walter. I don't like you," -Rorschach

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WTF is going on with Gerry recently? A huge amount of his late movies were flops and now this Seagal-like rubbish is coming up. Wake up man, you're too good to play in this sort of crap.

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More like Hunt for Red October with lone wolf mixed in.

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