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what will be their first turkey?

Every film has made good money and been fresh with the critics but I'm sensing that maybe the run comes to an end this August. Guardians of The Galaxy may just fizzle and fade away. Then again, the last trailer was a complete turn around from the awful first and gives signs of true hope.

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what will be their first turkey?

1. Financial Turkey? (Doesn't make a profit.)
2. Audience Acceptance Turkey? Breaks even but not well attended.
3. Critical Acclaim Turkey? (Razzie award, etc)

What do you REALLY mean by TURKEY?

Every film has made good money and been fresh with the critics but I'm sensing that maybe the run comes to an end this August. Guardians of The Galaxy may just fizzle and fade away.
Then again, the last trailer was a complete turn around from the awful first and gives signs of true hope.
There is a large potential audience that would disagree with you on the trailer(s). That awful appears to have done it's job which was to introduce the film and the characters and to whet the appetite for GoTG.

As to the hope that you feel for this movie I believe that NEW Hope might be more on the marketing efforts of Disney and less to the actual trailer.


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1. Financial Turkey? (Doesn't make a profit.)
2. Audience Acceptance Turkey? Breaks even but not well attended.
3. Critical Acclaim Turkey? (Razzie award, etc)

What do you REALLY mean by TURKEY?


I'm thinking more of the critical acclaim but really all of the above. They can break even at this point with just about anything in terms of financial efforts. Product placement and cable deals alone assure that factor.

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I would say they've all been good, but only a few of them have been "great." It's a matter of taste, of course, but my money goes on the Iron Man series and Avengers as the truly great ones.

Oh, and this one. Cap 2 was fantastic.

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I thought Thor 2 was a pretty big dud. It made a lot of money but it wasn't a very good movie.

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regardless of individual opinion, each movie has been a financial and critical success.

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I agree that Thor 2 was a dud, but I also feel that Ironman two and three were also duds as well.

On the other hand I think Capt. America Winter Soldier was probably one the best Marvel movies to date. To me its up there with the Avengers movie and the first Ironman movie, Capt. America movie, and Thor.

Truthfully in regards to the Guardians of the Galaxy, you really can't tell how good the movie is going to be from the trailer. Based on the trailer I thought Superman Returns was going to be awesome but the movie for me was a real disappointment. And they made the Ironman 3 trailer look epic, but the actual movie was a lemon to me so all we can do is wait and see the movie to determine if its good to us, but If I were to render judgment based on the trailers I'd say the GoG movie looks real good. I don't think it'll be a dud.

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i'm sorry to keep pointing this out, but when you say thor 2, ironman 2 & 3 were duds, what you are actually saying is, "i didn't like the movies personally, therefore the movie is a dud."

i didn't care personally for thor 2, but my personal opinion doesn't alter the fact that the movie did well critically and financially and seems to have scored well in sites that take polls of general audiences with all the foibles involved in that.

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I'm sorry to point this out, but xbernauts clearly states "I also feel that Ironman two and three were also duds as well." He basically just gave his opinion. He didn't say they were bad films.

You need to read a little more carefully before jumping in to the films' rescue.

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i'm sorry to point out, but "dud" has a colloquial meaning. it implies that the movie failed on some level. with any objective measure that everyone can agree on, be it by gross, critical aggregator sites, or exiting polls of the film (with all the acknowledged weaknesses), the above mentioned movies cannot be called "duds" no matter what one's personal opinion is. if people just didn't like a movie, it's pretty easy to say. none of these movies require my "rescue," as i'm very certain they will do fine no matter what my personal opinion of them is.

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What I liked is that there's a serious subtext to the story and it leaps out of the very first moments of the film. The movie gets just about everything right.

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I absolutely agree with what you're saying, but I don't think Dark World is the movie to use that reasoning on. 65 on RT is barely fresh. I wouldn't call it a dud either but it's far from being impervious to criticism.



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thor 2 was pretty cool on thors planet. thor had some bad parts like when the chicks were on the screen but some of those parts were ok. after some rewatches it will grow on you. that ending twists was epic. overall it was good and slightly above good when you add the whole mcu connectivity and such to it. A lot of these mcu movies get peoople hyped up to much so when they see it once they are like meh it wasnt that good because they were expecting super epic avengers/ comic book type stuff to happen every second but when they watch it again later they will see its actually pretty good. first time i seen iron man 2 i was like lame... i seen it again later and was like wow this movie is actually pretty good.

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That's quite sassy!

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Then again, the last trailer was a complete turn around from the awful first and gives signs of true hope.

The net is full with posts who state the exact opposite, including Disney went for medicore/generetic/yadda yadda

In the end the trailers seem to do their job:
a lot of people seem to react like 'aware & interested about the movie', no matter which trailer got them to 'interested'




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Critical turkey? They have a couple films that get mixed feelings, like the newest Thor for example. But, as of now I can't see a below average film. GOTG seems different, but it looks like good fun. Ant-Man could be the real test.

Box office wise, they had only 1 under performing film. The Incredible Hulk would be that film. Sure it likely brought in profit once it left theaters with its TV contract, home video sales, and video on demand contracts, but during its run in theaters it failed to hit profit. In the future I don't see a flop. Disney and Marvel Studios has been very good with handling its budgets. Even a film like GOTG, which likely cost around 150 million dollars, should be able to hit 300 million worldwide without much of a struggle.

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I've loved all the MCU films so far and am eager for their next films.

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They were not all great (it's difficult to put great movies everytime...) but they have a great track record for entertaining movies going from decent to great that others studios don't have...especially when it comes to new properties where many studios fail to translate into financial and critical successes at the same time.

They still don't have a real stinker (both critical & Financial) that other studio have on their resumé like Green Lantern, SuperGirl, Catwoman,TASM2, Daredevil or Elektra, Batman & Robin or FF4 and the Silver Surfer, ect...


I don't think they will have one soon because unlike those other studios, they are the only one dedicated only to CBM's and are the precursor in terms of shared universe. So they will put more effort in delivering at least decent movies each time to not damage their properties which are intricated to one another and feed each other to a certain extent.

They are building the MCU brand and the biggest franchise ever, innovating and enriched with new properties frequently, hence their approach is totally different from other studios who only have to maximize the popularity of their characters while reliying on the success of non CBM to fall back if they ever fail with the CBM ones.

As for GOTG, i don't think it has ever been in danger of failing commercially. Not after CATWS, not with the Disney heavyweight marketing machine (i have seen it in full force with "Maleficent" throughout Europe), not at this time where Marvel Studios brand is becoming the main asset to sell their by product. The brand alone guarantee more awareness than without it with the same movie. It will have a bigger opening weekend that if it wasn't Marvel Studios. If it is decent, legs will be decent. If it is not then it will fall hard especially on the domestic front which is more critical with its CBM's.

Internationally the type of characters could trigger massive interrest anyway, especially in countries like Russia, Germany and China and marketing it with the banter 'The Studios that gave you...." will have a great impact on awareness and interest.

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Iron man 2

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nope i rewatched it and its actually pretty good. loved that nerd weapon sellsman dudes personality. also the guy with the electric whips made some cool robots. it had better ironman fights as well.

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Then to you no marvel movie will ever flop, because you have poor taste and the bar is set so low

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Iron Man 2 is a quality film. I've seen it voted a tie with TDK and thus giving Iron Man a clean sweep over Nolan's trilogy because most people do consider Iron Man and Iron Man 3 FAR superior films than BB and TDKR.

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Iron Man has the best trilogy title but only until 2016 when Cap takes the crown.

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The Cap franchise will always have the albatross of american patriotism, that will keep it from achieving Iron Man status around the world. Even Thor 2 outgrossed in 72% of the markets.

Thor 2 outgrossed Winter Soldier in 72% of the world wide markets. France: Thor 2=22.2, Cap 2=16.8

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lol, oh course it is. It's not a confused mess that was rushed into production without a completed script? All marvel films are basically the same, they change the genre, but that's little more than a paint job. If you you honestly think IM is better than Nolan's work then I have only one question, did you fall down and hit your head alot as a child?

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