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Deeply unsatisfying conclusion


I, like many people, thought this show was awful when I first started watching it. I have to admit I found it midway into the second season, and Rachel's immaturity was almost unbearable. For for want of better shows on American TV, I stuck with it, caught up with the first season, and really liked the third season. The fourth was also good, and it very much seemed as if it would be the last season from the way they had wrapped up the last episode.

So I was surprised and pleased to see there was a fifth season, although unhappy there were only 3 rather than 8 episodes. Now that I've seen them all, I can say, my goodness, they needed those extra 5 episodes. And a different writer.


But in the end, this last season was a great mistake, as the characters not only did not grow, but rather ridiculously began sporting characteristics we'd never seen before. Rachel was cocky and stupid as per usual, but even she did things that her character would not have done, like going to Victoria Station without ascertaining the message was from Janet (even I recognized it wasn't her voice), and rather than calling for immediate help on the general line, tried Janet's work phone after she didn't pick up her cell when Rachel was trapped with a killer.

Introducing a new character while killing off an old one who unbelievably suddenly forgot his years of experience, lost classified material, and then got himself killed, all while Rachel is busy bollocking everyone. It makes sense that Gill would have not been replaced, but the minute the case was discovered to be a serial killer, it would have been handed up. Rachel has been a sergeant for all of a year, and that year was spent in London. Why on earth would she be asked to head up this investigation back in Manchester, and after all the cock ups, why would she be allowed to keep it?

So let's just let all that go for now. We have the first two episodes setting up the plot (murkily - hard to follow) and then in a single 45 minute episode, we wrap everything up. But then, we don't. We don't know if the leak was from the missing day book. We don't know who leaked it. We never figure out if Will Pemberton was ever in the picture again for Rachel, and we are mystified why she would keep a stranger's baby, knowing she can't handle her own life. That kid will also be mentally and emotionally damaged because she was drinking her entire pregnancy, up to her 4th month, and drinking early in pregnancy gives the fetus fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effect. That could actually explain a lot about Rachel and her family, but never mind.

This production suffered because they were trying to cram an 8 episode season into 3 episodes, and whoever wrote it didn't seem to understand what these characters were about. You have a serial killer working for years and suddenly when Syndicate 9 gets involved, the killer goes after Rachel? The oldest trope in the book. Tasie suddenly gets dick pics? Rachel lets someone she's not worked with before interview a serial killing suspect, and then when she sees the detective is botching the interview, she doesn't go in and stop it? Rachel finds a body of the girl they were trying to protect and there is nothing said about it?

An exasperating, painful, and poor end to an interesting concept.



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I didn't even realise the season had ended and I've been waiting for another episode. lol

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why she would keep a stranger's baby

She obviously decided she wanted to have the baby. After all, it was her baby as well, and she's not getting any younger. Additionally, in the flashbacks, she seemed to like the father well enough. And, let's be honest, as written, the Rachel character's not likely to settle down and enjoy domestics bliss.

That kid will also be mentally and emotionally damaged because she was drinking her entire pregnancy, up to her 4th month, and drinking early in pregnancy gives the fetus fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effect.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm certainly not condoning playing Russian roulette with your foetus's well-being, but it's not necessarily a certainty that that will happen.

without ascertaining the message was from Janet (even I recognized it wasn't her voice)

The voice on the phone said she was Jenna/Jemma (whatever the young girl's name was), and, yes, the voice did sound like Jenna/Jemma, and hence, when her body was found in the basement, no explanation was given.

I do completely agree that Rachel would not have been left as SIO. As soon as the complexities of the case became apparent, a more senior, and experienced, officer, as least a Chief Inspector, would surely have been put in charge.

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She obviously decided she wanted to have the baby. After all, it was her baby as well, and she's not getting any younger. Additionally, in the flashbacks, she seemed to like the father well enough. And, let's be honest, as written, the Rachel character's not likely to settle down and enjoy domestics bliss.


She says explicitly in the episode that she's not one that wants kids and doesn't understand people who do. Considering how childish she is herself, it is very unlikely that she's make that kind of sacrifice. This is just another example of the writers not really understanding the characters as they have been fleshed out in the rest of the series, and even as they have written the character in these episodes.


Maybe, maybe not. I'm certainly not condoning playing Russian roulette with your foetus's well-being, but it's not necessarily a certainty that that will happen.


Actually, it will. Do some research on what fetal alcohol effect is. And fetal alcohol syndrome. My sister adopted a child with it, so we are very familiar with the syndrome and what regular alcohol consumption does to a fetus in very early pregnancy.

The voice on the phone said she was Jenna/Jemma (whatever the young girl's name was), and, yes, the voice did sound like Jenna/Jemma, and hence, when her body was found in the basement, no explanation was given.


I thought it was from Janet, not the girl they were trying to protect. Didn't hear the name well. After all the fuss Rachel made of Mitch going against protocol, Rachel going anywhere by herself on this case was also one of those things they train you not to do.

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Okay, you're correct on all counts, even the last point.

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Actually, it will. Do some research on what fetal alcohol effect is. And fetal alcohol syndrome. My sister adopted a child with it, so we are very familiar with the syndrome and what regular alcohol consumption does to a fetus in very early pregnancy.

No not necessarily. Yes it's likely that something could happen but it might not. There are not guarantees.


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You mean no conclusion at all.

If they knew they weren't going to produce a full season, why did they start so many damn arcs?

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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I liked this series from the start and always thought it had a very superior cast. I was surprised there were only 3 episodes but it was a solid ending and I'd rather that than drag out a series for the sake of it. Also, I was missing Amelia Bullmore.

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I agree with the OP - it was a very poor ending to a superb show and definitely NOT the time to be introducing new characters while killing off regulars.

For me, the main problem with the "conclusion" was this:

Scott & Bailey has always been a character-driven drama - the various crimes being investigated serving merely as vehicles to flesh out the far more interesting story arc of the characters themselves, and their lives. But here, in the final series, when time needs to be taken to carefully wrap-up loose ends and deliver a deserved and satisfying "goodbye", we get served a rushed, daft 'Wire in the Blood' style storyline that basically leaves no room for anything else.

It wasn't bad.
Just not as good as what had gone before.
And that's a real shame and a definite missed opportunity.

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I hated the last series as well. Everything just did not make any sense. I like to think that the ending of series 4 was the real series finale. Janet and Chris are still together. Jill retiring peacefully. Rachel going to London and not ruining everyone's lives in Manchester. Mitch still alive!p

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