Did Rumple kill Charming's father? - Once Upon a Time (2011) Discussion

I wouldn't be surprise if he did.

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I'm unfortantly thinking hook has something do with it.i heard that could was suppose to have a past connection with the charming's and I have no idea what the motive could be

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[–] Zanza8 8 years ago

It wouldn't make much sense at this point for Killian to be the one who killed David's father. They're family now, David's father died a long time ago, he's not going to ruin Emma's happiness over the death of a man who abandoned him when he was a boy. Plus David and Killian have gotten to be real friends. Remember their conversation in the Underworld, where David said he didn't just go for Emma and that Killian had grown on him? And when Killian ran into the diner and everyone saw he was back, David was the one who went up and hugged him. It just would feel forced and unnatural to have all that set back to zero for a plot point that ultimately wouldn't really go anywhere.

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[–] decarus427 8 years ago

If someone murdered Charming's father then he did not abandon Charming as a child. That is the whole point. It could be anyone, but Hook is certain a possibility, just as much as Regina and Rumpel.

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[–] Zanza8 8 years ago

If someone murdered Charming's father then he did not abandon Charming as a child.

Absolute nonsense. David's father could have abandoned his family and then been murdered later.

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[–] decarus427 8 years ago

I think it is most likely Hook that killed Charming's father, but Rumpel and Regina are always on the table.

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[–] coldnight_99 8 years ago

I think Regina couldn't be responsible for Charming`s father, because at most it could have happened when Regina met Snow.

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

I agree with coldnight. I mean Regina has never Charming yet. I don't know when they both met, but the only time they most likely met was when King George captured him and she came and made a deal with him use Charming to bait Snow and to make the prince suffer right before she imprisoned Charming in her dungeon in season 1.

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[–] ckwongau 8 years ago

Rumple make deals and he would know if that connect Charming to him if he really did kill Charming's dad.

Since Rumple doesn't care about Henry anymore , he only wants to protect Belle and his unborn son .
Henry's Grandfather kill another of his Great Grandfather (Rumple already kill Peter Pan ). i don't see storyline that way .

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[–] Margifish 8 years ago

That's not fair. Rumple doesn't 'not care about Henry anymore' just because he didn't specifically mention him in his deal with EQ. 1) EQ has all of Regina's current memories, so she still sees Henry as her son...and although controlling and emotionally abusive, even in evil mode she never physically hurt Henry, so in Rumple's eyes he's not in any danger. 2) Belle (and by extension their unborn child) very much IS in danger from EQ, and she provides (once again) the perfect blackmail/bargaining chip to use against Rumple- so protecting her *should* be his priority.

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

Most likely it could be Hook. I mean it was foretold and spoiled that what Charming will discover would affect some of his relationships. And since we may discover one or two of Hook's history (including his connection with Captain Nemo), it would affect some of his relationships.

Well anyway, it seems official that David's father is not alive and his death was clearly not an accident and he most likely didn't die drunk. I can't wait to find out what happened and especially meeting Charming Senior for the first time.

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[–] emmaclarke781 8 years ago

I don't think it was Rumple or Regina because why would that upset David? He knows Rumple is / was horrible and he knows Regina was once the evil queen. It would be more upsetting if it was Hook and the evil queen knows that. That would cause the group to fall apart, especially if Emma sided with Hook

history is a battle fought by a great evil,struggling to crush a small kernel of human kindness

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

That would cause the group to fall apart, especially if Emma sided with Hook

If so, that would be very incensitive and sick of her after he might have done to her grandfather (Charming's father). And if Emma tries to tell her father to forgive him, he would refuse, even though he will not seek revenge or kill him. Because Charming is not his brother, and he is especially not like Hook.

It would sound just like season 4B, but this time no villain has set up or made them do this terrible thing like Isaac did. He or whoever did it has done that by himself.

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[–] eliduhh1 8 years ago

i think if hook is responsible it will be without hook knowing who charming's father even is. hook killed lots of people in his 200 years of life..i'm sure he never bothered with names and or the victims families.

also remember we're speculating. maybe it's not hook, it could have been charming's own mom or something crazy idk.

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

Highly doubtful it was his mom, she's not that ruthless and never was. It's pretty dispicable to think that and little too far.

And we were already informed and spoiled it was foretold and spoiled that what Charming will discover would affect some of his relationships. And since we may discover one or two of Hook's history (including his connection with Captain Nemo), it would affect some of his relationships. Those sound like clues.

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[–] eliduhh1 8 years ago

lmao..there's been worse things to happen on this show.

i was obviously kidding, jeez.

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

i was obviously kidding, jeez.

It wasn't that funny. It was a bit cruel.

Anyway, I am still looking forward to Charming's adventure and maybe seeing his father in the flesh at last.

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[–] eliduhh1 8 years ago

it's a possibility, but if the EQ wants the heroes to tear themselves apart in a way it doesn't make sense for rumple to be involved. he's not really on their side at the moment and the payoff would be "yeah rumple was a crappy deal making devil..so what?"
naw..it's gotta be someone closer to charming for it to impact him and for a rift to actually happen because of it. and since regina was just a tween when charming's father died (she's like 8 years older than snow?) than that eliminates her.

it leaves hook tbh. he's old enough, we've seen he traveled through neverland and the EF frequently. we saw his convo with dakr swan confessing to killing men for just taking his wine, petty things.
also, when david got the note/coin..the camera very obviously panned to hook and HE asked what was wrong..that was a directing clue if i ever saw one.

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[–] pirouette028 8 years ago

I agree with the others who think it might be Hook, and I actually like that idea the best. I like Hook and Captain Swan, but even I admit they have done a piss-poor job at fleshing out his villainous past. IMO, he and Emma can't truly have a happily-ever-after until she realizes and accepts exactly what he was. Having his actions directly affect her family is the only way for her to truly forgive his past and for the show to reconcile his past. It's another big bump for the couple, but it's a bridge they need to cross. Even though he's redeeming himself now, he spent centuries doing terrible things, and aside from the 5A arc, they have glossed over it. We saw glimpses of it in the early seasons when he was still a villain, but it was only the tip of the iceberg.

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

I beg your pardon pirouette028, but that probably just wouldn't be proper. I mean since we are seeing that Hook is finding some redemtion again this season, and if he robbed that sort of redemtion from Charming's father, it will be very unfair. Just like how unfair it was for what he did to Merlin. For when the wizard dies, his killer lives. People have been complaining about that since (especially like what he did by making little Liam II an orphan). If Hook took away Charming Senior's chance of redemtion away, there is no way the makers would go through with letting him live again for what he has done this time. What I am seeing is like 5A all over again, but this time probably a different ending.

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

I forgot to mention, if Hook was the culprit behind Charming's death, then it would not work out for this CS sillyness, because it's not right to marry someone who is a murderor of your father's father, a family member. And if it was him, there is nothing he can do to fix it except maybe die for it by doing a noble sacrifice again.

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[–] erin1223 8 years ago

Wow your really should not like what this show is about with this hope stuff and doubt the writers will take away another one of Emma's love interests and Regina was responsible for snows dad's death and there close now rather you like it or not

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[–] pvrcfuji316 8 years ago

I can see Hook being the one who killed him. Would like to see if King George was somehow involved. I want to see him again. Very good underrated secondary villain in the show

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[–] nicky-170 8 years ago

doubt the writers will take away another one of Emma's love interests

They already did that on Regina with Robin Hood. And yet some of you may have doubted, and then ended up wrong.

and Regina was responsible for snows dad's death and there close now rather you like it or not

The way just jumped to it, shows you are lying and making it up. And for the record, it is not an official confirmation. Besides, Regina was very busy hunting Snow down and trying to make her life miserable. And since when does she ever go to taverns for a drink? And here's the thing: I don't honestly care who the culprit was, all I care is that we finally get to see the true story behind Charming's father and seeing him in the flesh at last. And many of you thought maybe he was seen in the Untold realm, but apparently you were wrong right after the Queen hinted that someone may have killed him.

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[–] Zanza8 8 years ago

I like Hook and Captain Swan, but even I admit they have done a piss-poor job at fleshing out his villainous past. IMO, he and Emma can't truly have a happily-ever-after until she realizes and accepts exactly what he was.

What else do you want them to show? He's told Emma about his rings, which are trophies from some of his kills, she knows about Ursula and how he stole the poor girl's voice, he shot Belle practically in front of Emma. Whatever else the writers have done with Killian, they haven't been shirking about bringing up Hook's villainous past, nor have they kept Emma blind to it.

Having his actions directly affect her family is the only way for her to truly forgive his past and for the show to reconcile his past.

I don't agree with that at all. Take that thought to its logical conclusion, and if it happens that nothing Killian did directly affects Emma's family, she can never truly forgive him or accept him, which is of course not true. A person does not have to be personally affected to accept the dark past of a loved one, or forgive them when they seek redemption. In fact, to put such a high bar on forgiveness and acceptance would stop most people from ever earning either.

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