The anger I have towards him is BECAUSE I don't see anything special about him. And I DID see something between her and Neal. But the writers just totally pulled the plug on that for no reason (and I think that's why you didn't see anything between them imo). They didn't give Neal a fighting chance. They started to and then suddenly they said 'Nope, never mind. Emma doesn't like him anymore. And she can't anyways because he's dead. And no this dead person can't come back.' It was all so cheap in my opinion. I definitely didn't want to see yet another love triangle on a drama tv show but just killing Neal off just seemed weak.
Soooo...your opinion and because you didn't get your way? Good to know (and essentially what every single post you've made here is saying).
As has been noted here, repeatedly, Bagel's death had nothing to do with CS happening.....and FYI, while you're entitled to your opinion, you're in a tiny minority. When CS was landing in "top ten hook-ups" lists, being nominated for "best lip lock" awards and winning a variety of polls (which, admittedly aren't accurate), BagelSwan was ALSO winning polls for "worst/most boring couple", etc.
Or shorter, FailFire was extremely unpopular with the viewership---which, honestly, was always the point: it's why they cast (without auditioning anyone else) a 3rd rate actor who made a cottage industry out of playing douchebags; it's why they made him look so utterly gross in Tallahassee; it's why BagelSwan was separated not by circumstances, but by cowardly betrayal; it's why their relationship was statutory rape; it's why they never kissed in the current timeline and only shared two, brief pecks in the past; it's why he was such cretin to Emma when she located him again; it's why he never bothered him to go after her; it's why he originally chose Tamara over Emma (repeatedly), reducing Emma to his second choice; it's why his affections were so shallow and fickle (deciding he "loved" her minutes after his fiancee turned out to be evil); it's why Emma got over both his deaths within days; it's why he wasn't the one who EVER came back for her, after her, showed up for her, etc....the ONLY character who has been shown to consistently put Emma first is Killian....and that's the entire point of the narrative.
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Zanza8
7 years ago
FailFire was extremely unpopular with the viewership---which, honestly, was always the point: it's why they cast (without auditioning anyone else) a 3rd rate actor who made a cottage industry out of playing douchebags; it's why they made him look so utterly gross in Tallahassee; it's why BagelSwan was separated not by circumstances, but by cowardly betrayal; it's why their relationship was statutory rape; it's why they never kissed in the current timeline and only shared two, brief pecks in the past; it's why he was such cretin to Emma when she located him again; it's why he never bothered him to go after her; it's why he originally chose Tamara over Emma (repeatedly), reducing Emma to his second choice; it's why his affections were so shallow and fickle (deciding he "loved" her minutes after his fiancee turned out to be evil); it's why Emma got over both his deaths within days; it's why he wasn't the one who EVER came back for her, after her, showed up for her, etc....the ONLY character who has been shown to consistently put Emma first is Killian....and that's the entire point of the narrative.
Love the summary. It's harsh, but it's all true. Neal just wasn't good for Emma. She met him when she stole his stolen car and then they went on a crime spree. That's how he treated the girl he supposedly loved, getting her into his life of crime. And then he abandoned her to take the fall for crimes they both committed, and her pregnant! Emma is Killian's hero, with him she's not just happier. She's a better person. I think one of the most touching Captain Swan moments was when she was so mad at David and Snow for what they did to Lily and Maleficent, and Killian tried to talk her down. He wasn't defending what David and Snow did, he was just reminding Emma that they are her parents and they're not perfect and he was asking her not to hate them. That was such a sweet and supportive scene, because Killian was totally thinking about what was best for Emma. I think this is why Captain Swan has become so popular. Yes, Jennifer and Colin make a cute couple, yes, Colin is a lot better-looking than the actor who played Neal, but I don't think it's a physical thing. It's the way Killian looks at Emma, like she lights up his world, and the way she looks back at him the same way, and how each of them is a better, stronger, nicer person when the other is around.
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deetdee12
7 years ago
It's interesting to note, as well----Killian did this while Snowing still sometimes kinda treated him like poo (depending on their moods), but he did it for Emma, because he knew she'd be happier.
Important to note about Bagel and the framing:
Emma didn't serve a sentence for any of the "crimes" (shoplifting as a minor) she actually committed, nor did she serve a sentence for "possession of stolen goods/accessory after the fact"....because both of those are viewed as minor crimes (with the second one being nearly impossible to prove) and she committed those in Oregon and thus would've served any time (hint: I live here, a homeless minor would've receive community service at most, probably probation or a suspended sentence---as well as being directed to social services and the assistance she needed) in our system.
However, she was transported to AZ (a state we aren't terribly friendly with) and served what would be a pretty heavy sentence for an adult who did actually commit grand larceny. The reason? She was serving FailFire's sentence. It's also why they named him what they did, because the REAL Neal Cassidy served 11 months in prison for theft and liked banging inappropriately young girls.
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Zanza8
7 years ago
It's interesting to note, as well----Killian did this while Snowing still sometimes kinda treated him like poo (depending on their moods), but he did it for Emma, because he knew she'd be happier.
Snow still hasn't really warmed up to Killian, although it was interesting that she told Emma to be honest with him if she wanted to build a lasting relationship with him. David has become good friends with Killian. It's sad but I've seen some pretty nasty comments about David and Killian and how David doesn't like him at all. It's not like there aren't concrete scenes to show that David has come to care about Killian. In the Underworld, David said he came mostly for Emma but also because Killian had grown on him. In the diner, when Killian went down with the wound from Excalibur, David was the first one to reach him, kneeling next to him and touching his head as if he were trying to comfort him. And in the diner when Killian returned from the dead, David went right up to him and hugged him.
Important to note about Bagel and the framing:
Emma didn't serve a sentence for any of the "crimes" (shoplifting as a minor) she actually committed, nor did she serve a sentence for "possession of stolen goods/accessory after the fact"....because both of those are viewed as minor crimes (with the second one being nearly impossible to prove) and she committed those in Oregon and thus would've served any time (hint: I live here, a homeless minor would've receive community service at most, probably probation or a suspended sentence---as well as being directed to social services and the assistance she needed) in our system.
However, she was transported to AZ (a state we aren't terribly friendly with) and served what would be a pretty heavy sentence for an adult who did actually commit grand larceny. The reason? She was serving FailFire's sentence. It's also why they named him what they did, because the REAL Neal Cassidy served 11 months in prison for theft and liked banging inappropriately young girls.
I did not know about the real Neal Cassidy. That is a telling name to dub a character with, rather like a signpost warning that this is not a good guy and he will come to a well-deserved sticky end. In any case, Emma did serve time for Neal's crimes and perhaps with the double whammy of being Rumple's kid and having to make his own way in a strange world, he never had much of a chance, but I can't see that matters. What matters is what is best for Emma, and Neal was never good for her. Even Walsh, the flying monkey, was nicer to her than Neal was.
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deetdee12
7 years ago
Snow still hasn't really warmed up to Killian, although it was interesting that she told Emma to be honest with him if she wanted to build a lasting relationship with him. David has become good friends with Killian. It's sad but I've seen some pretty nasty comments about David and Killian and how David doesn't like him at all. It's not like there aren't concrete scenes to show that David has come to care about Killian. In the Underworld, David said he came mostly for Emma but also because Killian had grown on him. In the diner, when Killian went down with the wound from Excalibur, David was the first one to reach him, kneeling next to him and touching his head as if he were trying to comfort him. And in the diner when Killian returned from the dead, David went right up to him and hugged him.
And there's the spoiler of when Killian asks for permission to propose to Emma, Charmz doesn't even hesitate, with "yes, of course!". Capt Charming are more in luuuvvvv than CS is!!! However, Snow's objections, at this point, seem a bit snide---he IS now the guy who has saved her HOW many times now? Though she was, TBF, very excited about their date in season 4.
What matters is what is best for Emma, and Neal was never good for her. Even Walsh, the flying monkey, was nicer to her than Neal was.
BagelSwan remains a cautionary tale....
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