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I thought Rory and Clay were the same person, but I just realized...


...something - the timeline doesn't add up.

At least 20 years must have passed between the guy in the story (Rory) and the man who is telling it now (Clay), right?

Well, the old man (Jeremy Irons) mentions that he was 18y.o. in 1944, which means that if he and Rory met around 1990, he simply wouldn't have been *that* old.

Although I must say, everything else in the movie points to them being the same person as the only possible explanation. Perhaps we are supposed to just overlook that little detail.


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If Clay is, lets say 50 years old in 2012, and had been writing for lets say 20 years. He would be 30 in 1992 when he met the old man and published "window tears".

18 in 1944, would make the old man 66 in 1992.

I agree, he looks older than 66. But not as old as 80.

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At the most he would have been about 66, but his character was presented to look about 80.


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Maybe a case can be made for the age diffrence between Clay and Rory to be less than 20 years. Minimum 15, maximum 25?

So between 1987 and 1997.

Makes the old man between 61-71.

Dont think its entirely impossible that the old man can be 71 y.o.

But definately looks older than 66.

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He was a chain smoker who had had a tough life. He could be 66.


When I'm gone I would like something to be named after me. A psychiatric disorder, for example.

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I just saw this and didn't get it or really like it, but as an 82 year old woman I would say the old man would have had to be as old as possible .. . (looked and walked over 90) My sister was 18 in 1945 and she looks wonderful. And there is no description of the old man having a physically difficult life

maybe just a bad and confusing story line?

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I am not sure what's or who's fictional or real, but I agree that the timing does not add up for Clay to be Rory. Nevertheless, Clay was guilty of stealing someone's work as a young writer and passing it off as his own after which he became successful. I believe he must have told his wife about his action and it affected their relationship.

Ultimately,Clay writes "The Words" which is his own story - not someone else's - and it's his truth, emotion and life. To me, the ending means he is telling Dora that he does love her more than his success and regrets making the choice.

This movie is full of cliches, but was thought-provoking. I also thought there were many excellent performances from a surprising cast.

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How did the cast surprise you?


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Or...Rory could merely be a 20 years younger self in a story that happened to Clay merely 5 or so years prior.

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Like most authors, Clay is masking a lot of details to make it not TOO obvious that he "IS" Rory. If Clay's estranged wife happens to be African American, however, it would be a dead giveaway to Clay's reading public that he's Rory, whose own wife is a woman of color; thus, it's unlikely that Clay's wife is black, but makes Rory's wife a black woman so as to distract the reader from being able to conclude with any certainty that the author is actually writing about himself and his shameful deed (plagiarism.)


Okay folks, show's over, nothing to see here!

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Good point, but his wife doesn't have anything to do with the timeline situation. I personally agree with the earlier post that suggested Clay just changed Rory's timeline and made him a little younger or whatever. Keep it simple folks. This is a simple movie.

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Clay's wife was a woman of color. When Olivia Wilde's Character thumbs through "The Words" at the end of the movie, she finds a picture of a woman with dark skin and curly hair.

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Thay can't be the same person since Bradley's living in the now! Look at his clothes and his car and the surroundings. That's not the 90's.

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Maybe the event did happen 20 years earlier but in the book he updated it so people wouldn't suspect.

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He could have been.

His computer, OTOH, is definitely not as old as that theory would allow. The laptop he was typing on couldn't have been made until long after 1990. It indicates that portion of the story took place in the first decade of the 21st century at the earliest.

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Well, I find this plot to be fairly simple. Clay is Rory, and this book he wrote is his only way to express without any possible serious repercussions what he had done. Clay and Dora probably couldn’t handle looking at each the same way after knowing the reality about those words.

And…. I think I have proof to back the fact that Clay could be Rory. There’s a scene in the movie in which you can see Rory thinking in front of the book, computer and other things in his desk. Just behind him, by the side of a few books, you can see two baseballs. One that has the appearance of barely having been used and another which seems very old and heavily used. When Daniela seats on Clay’s desk, she grabs a baseball which is seating by the side of another one. Those two balls are exactly the same ones that Rory always kept by his desk. Another piece of evidence is, when Dora seats on Rory’s lap to kiss him while he’s writing on his computer. During the scene, you can see their kitchen at the right. They have a white coffee boiler on top of their stove. In the scene when Clay goes down to get wine for him and Daniel, he goes by he’s stove and on top of it, theres that same white coffee boiler. And of course, can’t leave out the part when Daniela is looking at the books pages and finds a picture of a woman that seems to be Dora at an old age, about the same as Clay.

All that evidence plus the mysterious conversation between Clay and Daniela, point at the highly probable fact that after years knowing the reality about a book he copied, Clay found a way to tell everything to the world with a fiction cover up.

This movie was incredible and this are all conclusions.

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He said he was separated from his wife and had been in his new place for eight months. So he did stay with her for a long time after the plagiarism. Maybe the book was his way of dealing with the separation.

What we got here is... failure to communicate!
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