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As I'm working on an adaptation OF THE ENTIRE NOVEL...


...at some point it occurred to me 'This guy did the equivalent of taking The Bible and turning it into a film that only featured Jesus.'

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So here's some excerpts from a Writers Guild of America interview from 2014 (my comments in bold):

Q: Making Winter’s Tale was a seven-year journey for you, and a very challenging one at that. Tell me about your first encounter with Mark Helprin’s novel, and why it was so resonant for you.

A: I read it in the ‘80s when it came out. Like a lot of people, I was entirely struck by the language, obviously, this love letter to New York City, but the thing that sort of rocked my world as a young man was the magical realism – American magical realism. I had read Borges, Cortazar, and 100 Years of Solitude, but I had never seen magical realism painted on an American canvas before. It was a brick and mortar world, but magic was seeping through. There was real drama and, in the midst of it, a flying white horse. That made sense to me, the marriage of the impossible and the ordinary and how they constantly shift places. It resonated for me, and for a zillion other people who have loved the book. Interestingly enough, I’ve found – and this is true, to some extent, with the movie as well – that the book can be very polarizing, based on giving it to friends of mine through the years. Some would be absolutely enchanted and others would absolutely disregard the book once the horse flew, as if real drama and magic cannot co-exist. I, of course, think they have to.

I'm not so sure the problem is real drama vs magical realism, those who can suspend disbelief vs those who can't. There's a difference between 'magical realism' and 'satire'. There are portions of the novel that so much want to be in a Terry Gilliam flick. But -for me- they don't work on the page, and they certainly wouldn't work on the screen when you've got these other grounded elements...such as the Peter Lake/Beverly Penn romance.

Q: Helprin’s novel was, for a long time, considered to be unfilmable. What made you think you could do it?

A: I didn’t really film the novel, at least not in its entirety. Part of my way out of that, honestly, was to skip Hardesty Marratta [a key figure in the book], who has hundreds of pages dedicated to him in the novel, and he only made one scene in one draft of my screenplay. I just followed the love story between Peter and Beverly. That love story most ignited my imagination when I read the novel, so that became the spine of the storytelling for me.

Yeah. He's right (and I've said this elsewhere in a thread): he didn't film the novel. He filmed a particular portion of the novel. The love story between Peter and Beverly. Which does not form the backbone of the story. He mentions skipping Hardesty's sections, but he did the same to every other character beyond Peter and Beverly; the amount he left out probably totals about 600 pages. "I just followed the love story between Peter and Beverly." Yup. Which is why it never should have been called 'Winter's Tale'. (In the same way that 'Simon Birch' wasn't filmed as 'A Prayer for Owen Meany'.)

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What's that sound?? Oh, yes, that's the sound of someone tooting their own horn.

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And...?

(Not that I agree with your 'observation'.)

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As I'm working on an adaptation OF THE ENTIRE NOVEL...
How many pages (i.e. screen minutes) does your screenplay have? And how many speaking parts does it feature?

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Still sorting things out.

What I do know is that a) a 'mini-series' is required, b) all kinds of stuff needs to be excised from the novel (going through it in such a clinical way has opened my eyes to so much stuff that's filler, or ridiculous, or a literary indulgence; I've cringed a lot along the way), c) the best parts of the novel were absolutely not featured in Goldsman's movie, and d) a lot will have to be written, from scratch, to have the film deliver the best aspects of the novel.

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I just threw up in my mouth a little. Who are you to take someone else's work, change or delete what you don't like, then call that work your own?? If you're so smart, and so sure that you can "fix" their book, why don't you just write your own?? If some pompous prick did this sort of thing with a book, screenplay, etc., they'd spend the next few years in court defending themselves for plagiarizing my work.
Who gives a flying *beep* what you think about this story?? What's next? You gonna rewrite "War and Peace"? Jesus Christ.

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Why don't you write your own story? Truly curious.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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Oh, I write my own material.

But this novel has a very special place in my heart. As I've said, I've ready it yearly since it came out more than 30 years ago. I've been affected by it as a reader, but more importantly, as a writer. There are some wonderful opportunities to learn the craft, to see what great storytelling is, and what it isn't. Going through the exercise of deconstructing it to adapt, really examining it, has been a great learning experience for me. I'd go so far as to say that it's informed my own writing...if only a little.

And to all the doofuses here and elsewhere who take umbrage at what I've said and are very much part of this Culture of Outrage... Grow the *beep* up. The bile, the anger, the animosity offered up is astounding, and reinforces a couple of things for me. 1) Being generous and sharing can trigger insecure people, 2) So many in the Internet universe have become accustomed to comment as if they have ownership of the topic, and 3) Net Courage remains a laughable sight; in the main, people would NEVER say what they say online, in person. (Yes, that especially goes for twatlings such as always_keep_fighting, above.)

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I actually lol'ed at tour absurd post. Since when is rewriting someone else's work "generous"? And if you're being met with hostility/anger/etc by so many people, did you ever stop to consider that YOU are the *beep* not all the others?
My mother has always said that if you meet more than three jerks (her word) in a day, you're probably the jerk, not them.
Go to your little list in the above post, and read your first two items. If you don't see how those very things apply to you, you're just being obtuse.
"I love this book so much, I'm rewriting it." What an ego you've got!

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