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are there any agnostics/atheists who like this book?


just curious?

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Sure. Not everybody requires that their beliefs or worldviews are validated in all of the books, films, or music that they love.

You move like a pregnant yak.

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Theoretically speaking, I don't disagree with your point.

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Totally agree... I mean, we can watch Spiderman without having to believe that there is a spider-poisoned teen running around New York.
And while Tommy Lee Jones is a wonderfully convincing actor... I still do not believe there are men in black suit running around covering up and policing alien lifeforms.
I think you will find that most atheists are even more open minded and willing to suspend beliefs than their brainwashed counterparts.

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And while Tommy Lee Jones is a wonderfully convincing actor... I still do not believe there are men in black suit running around covering up and policing alien lifeforms.


the lady doth protest too much LOL

Besides, Will Smith p0wn youse !!!

But not jayden !!!




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Well, henderson-photo, you just proved yourself to be anything but open-minded by making such a prejudicial and stereotypical remark. I dare say that my belief is based on at least a thorough and dispassionate consideration of the facts as yours. But now that you have shown yourself for what you are, it's hardly worth pursuing the matter with you.

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I dare say that my belief is based on at least a thorough and dispassionate consideration of the facts as yours.

What facts are you talking about? Oh, you mean the facts in the bible?
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@henderson-photo:
You won the internet.
Or at least this topic.
But sure my heart and up-vote.

I stopped reading further after your comment, because there is no need to discuss it further.

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I did, immensely. I don't remember the last 100 pages of the book very well, but I never really considered the book's metaphysics to be in direct and unyielding contradiction to my notions on a deity. Even if I don't seriously subscribe to the sort of order found in the book (who knows, though? I'm not all knowing) a well written novel inherently grants you access to a universe with other worlds in which you can adapt as a reader.

Even books with religious undertones I can read with no issue - as it becomes one of the realities of a fictional world much in the same way as any fantasy novel.

Plus, the kid in me who is still fascinated by enigmatic mathematical and natural patterns, synchronicity, and order ate up Winter's Tale.


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I agree, unless the author is aggressive in presenting their world. If I the author is constantly preaching and pushing their view, it becomes "methinks the lady doth protest too much...". Dan Brown feels like to me, although most people love his books.

But ilike your view, that any good author can create a world that I reside in for the duration of the book. It doesn't have to be MY world, rather I like an escape from my reality occasionally.

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Great post. I agree with a lot of what you said.

What made me think of this issue was one the reviews that mentioned how the rationalists will have a hard time with the concepts of the movie.

Goldsman mentions in his latest interview about the Judeo Christian pov of the book (explaining why he needed to add the character of devil played by Will Smith).

Idk but I think of the magical aspects as metaphors and not really literal!

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I read it, I guess, thirty years ago. Over the course of several weeks in the midst of a very snowy winter. I had an hour's bus ride every Saturday morning before the sun came up, and I spent that hour reading about Peter Lake and his horse while flurries of thick, white snowflakes came out of the dark and hit the bus window. Thirty years later, and well into a new century, it remains a perfect memory of a perfect moment.

Just saying.

As an agnostic, I've never felt uncomfortable with any of the novel's themes. It's a fantasy, like The Hobbit, or LOTR. You suspend judgement and belief and simply slip into the book like a warm bath.

But this is a movie board. I didn't know that a film was being made, and when I first saw the commercials a couple of weeks ago, I was amazed and delighted. Now I'm pretty sure that I'm not going anywhere near the film.

Maybe A Winter's Tale is like Dune and At the Mountains of Madness - an exquisite, albeit perhaps un-filmable story.

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what were the christian themes that i missed?

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Honestly, I'm not sure. It's been awhile. But I know that I was very comfortable with it as a fantasy.

Did Peter Lake's origin story have a whiff of Moses-in-the-reeds about it? I'm not sure, but that just occurred to me.

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Peter being set adrift in a boat by his parents in order to save him or give him a better life. Like Moses.

There is Good v. Evil, isn't there?

The notion of a sort of afterlife, even if it does not involve wings and pearly gates?

The presence of guardian angels of sorts, like the horse.

The eternal and absolute power of love.


That's all I have.

I mean, I am not that religious but I grew up attending church most sundays, sang in a choir, then practiced Judaism with my husband and kids. So I do see Judaeo-Christian imagery/messages in the story.

Helperin is also a huge Israel supporter and Hawk. One of his other novels, "Refiners Fire," is about an orphan (like Peter), brought to Israel after the Holocaust, is adopted by an American, meets his romantic destiny, fights in the Israeli wars, etc.

He is spiritual, anyway.

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Maybe A Winter's Tale is like Dune and At the Mountains of Madness - an exquisite, albeit perhaps un-filmable story.


Apparently that's what Martin Scorsese thought. This is from the trivia section of Winter's Tale:

There was one report where Martin Scorsese had originally purchased the film rights to Winter's Tale, but he backed out for he deemed it "unfilmable".


I think I agree with him.

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I'm non-religious (not quite agnostic), but I don't have a problem with religious stories. Most of these stories try to touch on things that are universal to us, although they might touch on them in a specific way that not everyone quite gets. The more universal stories, even with a religious filter, as usually pretty universal imho.
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I'm an antitheist and this book is one of my favorites.

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my atheist friend enjoyed the movie, but hasnt read the book.

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I'm an atheist. Winter's Tale is one of the best books I've read (in my top 5) - the perfect mix of the historical with magical realism. There's no way a two-hour film could come close to capturing it, and by the looks of things, Akiva Goldman has failed spectacularly in his attempt.

Actually, I don't understand the question - why would an atheist or agnostic be predisposed not to like the book?

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Actually, I don't understand the question - why would an atheist or agnostic be predisposed not to like the book?

Because trolling is funneee

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Yes, why not? A fantasy novel is a fantasy novel. Unlike religion, it's open about being fiction and isn't trying to peddle its fantasy as true in a real-world sense.

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