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13 People she's going to torture

posted 7 years ago by daredevil1 (95)
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It was like an evil version of PS I Love You- it was hard to feel sympathy for Hannah when instead of taking any responsibility for her own actions, she was assigning blame to 13 people with her little tapes of hate and trying to screw up their lives from beyond the grave as a result. Bryce was legit awful, but things like the doofus Asian guy throwing away her note was pushing it. It would have somehow been better if they had been 13 people who teamed up to conspire to kill her, Murder on the Orient Express Style... which is what it kind of became, when they had secret supervillain meet-ups to decide what to dow with Clay. "Where are the tapes?? What will he do with the tapes???" It just became this silly Hannah Revenge Squad like they plotted her downfall.

And Clay should not have been included- I don't know why he felt guilt at all for his actions. Why were they telling him things like "Did YOU do it? Have you heard your tape yet? You killed her!" It just didn't hold up to snuff when we finally here what his big "misdeed" was. I would have preferred it if they had had him actually do something hurtful and regret it, but I don't understand why she crapped all over him and then never told him how she felt when she knew he cared for her. She had him and her parents, which is more than some people have.

[–] Catbookss (13664) 7 years ago

I didn't have trouble feeling sympathy and compassion for Hannah, although she wasn't entirely likable, for the reasons you've expressed.

I saw her, as well as virtually all of the other characters, as being drawn in shades of gray, not merely black and white. Which is one of the reasons why this show was so powerful to me. I don't like films or shows that only portray characters as simple "good guys" or "bad guys," because 99% of the time, that isn't how humans are.

I understood Clay's increasing guilt, but did think it was overdone, and I still don't get what Asian guy said to her at the diner that was so awful. Perhaps someone can clue me in on that.

[–] stratcat45 (114) 7 years ago

I felt compassion for Hannah, she seemed likeable but she kept making the same mistake over and over.....she kept going back to the same group of kids hoping for a different result.

Zach, I believe, felt sorry for Hannah and he truly felt bad for the way his friends treated her, however, he approached her in the diner right after she just had a bad experience with one of his friends.....she assumed he was their to continue the joke. He made an effort and she pushed him away, which in turn caused him to react back.

I also liked how the show didn't have "good" and "bad" guys. Each kid was fighting their own demons....they all had issues to deal with. I felt the most sorry for Justin..his home life sucked and he was at the mercy of Bryce trying to survive.

[–] stratcat45 (114) 7 years ago

"things like the doofus Asian guy throwing away her note was pushing it"

He didn't throw away the note; you saw that version from Hannah's point of view (that's what her tape said).

He actually still had it in his wallet, he had kept it and he showed it to Clay.

[–] spreerod1538 (22) 7 years ago

But that's the point, right? Hannah's version was that he threw it away. And even if he did throw it away, who gives a crap? The guy didn't deserve a tape. If anything I felt like he was the victim in that one particular tape more than Hannah.

[–] stratcat45 (114) 7 years ago

Oh, I don't disagree with you, I was just pointing out a difference from her tape and what Hannah said. I was responding to the original poster as they stated he was pushing it by throwing away the note; but he didn't. Perhaps some of the other stories weren't totally accurate as well.....we only see it from her point of view.

I think it's just proof of how everything was crashing down on her, she saw things always as the worse. Very common with depression and such.

But I couldn't help but think, why does she keep going back to this same group of people? The school is full of people who would of made great friends!