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What happened to Bollywood movie audience?



When I was read news that Dhoom 3 is breaking all records, I was curious. So I try to find it on online. Obviously I am not Indian, and in my country we don't know what the hell is Dhoom3 (Usually people who love Bollywood movies are from low-mid class. So its not something cool here, and cinemas don't play it on their theaters ).


I am just curious, I found out recently (in 2013 till date) There are 3 movies that broke box office record in India. Chennai Express, Kkrish 3 and Dhoom3. All of those movies are bad.
When I watched these movies, oh my..in modern days like now, Bollywood still use illogical action scenes (even hilariously bad), cheesy dialogues, overacting actors, etc just like in old times.

So why do people watch Dhoom3 and those other things? I mean where is their taste? Why they let themselves being robbed by irresponsible film makers ? (its irresponsible, because people pay film makers and sometimes worship them, but they just give craps to the people). And why in Bollywood movies, star power is still big thing? I feel they are more focus on star than his/her character.

I am just outsider and non Indian who just curious with their market and movie industry.

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I'm american in America, and we also make crappy movies for the most audience dollar possible. This means the movies are not great, but sell to make profit - which is part of where bad movies come from: give the people what they want.

Seems like cultures are very different: America likes slicing sexy teens into bloody chunks, or vampires etc... Japan likes colorful big headed, large eyed animated animals and blue bananas that fart shooting stars and black ice cream.... maybe bollywood audiences simply enjoy whatever it is that encompasses those movies: over the top action, certain famous actors over plot and parts... cultures are just into other things than each other. I could say farting bananas are "Bad", but I am not they, so it's not my place. They could say splattering teens all over the screen is bad, but they are not American and don't understand why that sells so well here. (Neither do I, but that is beside the point)

Is Dhoom 3 bad? I have not seen it yet, but the trailer looked very well done. Maybe the story and dialog is not as good as it could be, but I will still see it when I can, because I enjoyed the other DHOOM movies - even though lavish dance numbers sprinkled through-out is not really my interest. I accept them as cultural difference.

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Agree with you, in movie industry where ever it is, there are some studios that make movie based on demand. Because it's business and money is important. Take a look to Adam Sandler's movies specially his recent works, bad but profitable. And when he made smart movie like Punch-Drunk Love but it was flop, but when he did others crap, those were box office. However none of those craps in Hollywood made box office records (except, as long as I can remember, Star Wars Phantom of Menace and Spider-Man 3).

Singham was box office success, but it has became international big joke on Youtube for it's lame, and hyperbolic actions.




However, I had lost my focus when I was seing Amir Khan waked up on his apartment which I recognize that it's resemblance of Bruce Wayne's penthouse in Dark Knight, and they used exactly same cinematography approach in Dark Knight for many scenes (I have watched Dark Knight for 8 or 9 times, and yes its one of my favorite movies). When I was seeing acrobatic,robotic, super bike (which doesn't make sense) , then I stop watched it (that's why I don't write a review for this movie). And the prestige, now you see me. However I tried to accept the fact that its Bollywood. They did it (lacks of originality) in numerous movie.
If you put your mind/logic on Dhoom3 , yes it's bad, so bad..but if you leave the logic things, well..maybe you will like it.

Same thing goes to Krrish 3 and Chennai Express. But these movies are box office success, put new high bar in B.O numbers. Why Indian loves bad movie? I still don't know...maybe it depends on their culture n daily life.


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Are you saying "bad" as compared to American movies like The Dark Knight? Because maybe they are not "Bad" to them - that cultural thing I mentioned - maybe the dark knight is not that great over there? --I don't really know the international market.

I've not seen any of those others you mentioned to know if they were bad or good, but the opinion of bad or good to me is mostly American based for me. So, I try to not judge thiers based on my american perspective because it will never live up.

I watched that Hindi ROBOT (not sure of the name) and first thought it was hilariously bad. Then I gave it a chance, and was really impressed. Yes, over the top action, but that is what made it stand out and hold my interest. If it was BAD, I would have gotten bored and turned it off, but I didn't. And the production was top notch: lighting, sets, cinematography, FX etc etc all on par.... and I watched it with no subtitles! it was well produced and entertaining - to me... so I can't call it bad, even if most others might.

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Do you mean Enthiran? I never watched that, just found out on forum, while searching for information n answer of my curiosity, its not Bollywood, they call it Tamil movie (they do not use Hindi language). Saw clips on youtube, oh man...


I compare it with other Asian movies, like Mandarin, Japanese (obviously not their kid movies genre like Kamen Riders etc) and Korean movies. Now I am comparing today's record breakers (Chennai, Krrish 3 and Dhoom 3) with other recent Asian movies. Bollywood is being left behind by other countries in technology, plot, originality etc.

It's bad/crime to compare Bollywood with Hollywood. They have different approach in story telling, acting and etc. And..Hollywood is far superior in terms of budget, technology, and other competitive advantages than Bollywood.

However I found clues for the answer on Amitabh Bachchan and Shahrukh Khan's interview on youtube while searching the answer. They just make what audiences want. When they went into their personal project/ idealism, their movies were flop. But when they did bad movies, it became box office as it's industry and business, they would only listen MONEY, PROFIT than originality and quality.

Indian film industry as whole, is in danger, which they're losing audiences due to Hollywood expansion. So, film makers try to catch up their quality in action etc, to compete with Hollywood. Sadly it becomes lacks of originality, selling action without comprehensive plot and logic. Coz they only hear profit and market. Why Indian loves these things? That' still MYSTERY as still try to find it.

Thank you for your help.



Bit of Out of topic, for your information

And as i tried to dig up more information by internet, so far the highest grossing movie in Bollywood is Dhoom3, around $ 63 million( released on over 4400 theaters in India & worldwide )has same box office numbers with low budget B movie, "Devil" (produced by M Night Shyamalan). It means that they are still struggle to find audience. For me, I think the problem is there :becomes lacks of originality, selling action without comprehensive plot and logic, cheesy and lower in country competitive advantages.

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not sure which of those numbers are for which countries, but maybe that is because america spends billions sitting around watching movies instead of being productive, and the india market has better things to do and spend their money on? just a thought

far as Dhoom3 in America, yeah, I doubt it is aimed at us (Americans) very well at all. almost all of our blockbusters don't have lavish dance musical numbers stuck in the middle... and the ones that have tried, failed most of the time.

Indian movies are getting better (if we call Hollywood the defined measure) and remember this whole industry is less than 100 years old. Hollywood may have defined the bankable structure, but once the others figure it out, they'll catch up. They have the tech now... just gotta nail the writing.

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Indians who quite success in hollywood like Irfan Khan, Anupam Kher even M.Night Shyamalan (promising director in end of 90's till early 2000's, now his career is dead!) said Bollywood is inferior and lacks of originality.
I do think so, but I don't expect Bollywood to catch up Hollywood. I think they have to compete with Hongkong, Japanese and Korea movies first. Because, they are behind those industry.

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I am from India. Let me make something clear. Most educated people I know hated this movie and thought it was a big joke, but there are several catches. I will list them:

1) Even after knowing that it was total crap from others, they did go to the theaters as the cast has one popular actor.

2) I go with my friends to see these kind of movies to so that can nitpick and tear it apart. It's like a guilty pleasure. The story is horrible, the acting was horrible, the plot was horrible. But like a moth to a flame...

3) Most uneducated Indians seek relief from there burden of a life and unrealistic movies are the best outlets possible for fantasizing.

4) The Dark Knight was huge in India, but only among the school and college going kids/or the ones who are educated.

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Krish 3 and Chennai Express may not be so bad to you if you will know the language and the context and pop culture references. When I watched Shrek for the first time and not knowing anything about America (I was still in India then) I found like an hour of any other animated TV episodes. What works is when you know the references in the movie which you clearly may have missed in Krish 3 and Chennai Express. I am not defending those movies but there is no way you can find them good and bad with subtitles. To give you 2 examples of Chennai Express the running gag about "common man" would be boring to you if you are not aware of political upheavals in India at that point of time. Similarly you will not laugh or smile at introduction scene of Deepika if you have not seen DDLJ. Whether they were funny to Indians or not is a different debate altogether. Off course if you are looking for Iron Man VFX in Krish 3 you are looking for wrong thing at a wrong place. Considering the audience we have and the budget that producers had they did a pretty decent job.

Now in America lets take example of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. What the hell was that? Also Spiderman 3 was worse then Krish 3 and was more Bollywood then a true blood Bollywood movie.

Having said that Dhoom 3 was most pathetic movie ever on all counts.

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Dhoom 3 is utter crap. It's worse than laughably bad because laughing implies some kind of entertainment value. The story is a pathetic mish-mash of well known Hollywood plots, the Jai and Ali make me cringe every time they're on screen, the action scenes are fake and awful and the acting is really bad across the board. I cannot understand how uneducated and idiotic the Indian masses must be if this film is one of the highest grossing films in India.

However, Singham was actually entertaining. The story and characters were compelling, in a mass entertainer fashion. And the action scenes were poetic. There's one scene in particular (I think you're mainly thinking of this one) where Singham rips off a short lamp post and stops a jeep with it. I love this action scene. Some parts are definitely unrealistic but the scene is undeniably entertaining. Most people on Youtube have turned this scene into a viral sensation not because it's a joke or that it's lame, but because it's genuinely entertaining. You're just totally wrong on Singham. Deal with it.

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Hollywood's crappy movies don't become the highest grosser, actually the highest grosser are entertaining and worth money and time. Last year, Gravity, the super hero movies, animations and others were good and worth money and time. Hollywood as a culture doesn't make crappy movies, yes there are crappy movies like the horror movies. They are getting redundant and worse, with the exception of The Conjuring which brought back memories from the 70-80s horror movies. Also movies in the romance and action genre are bad, but as a whole, Hollywood does not produce crappy movies. Bollywood does however, because for decades they are only making escapist cinema, songs and dance and stuff. I mean how long can they go with one concept of their film, which is the song dance. Hollywood studios have produced excellent musicals and it's a genre that stands by itself. For Bollywood movies, that's part and parcel of their movies for decades and it doesn't make any sense. It's there in every freaking movie, be it an action,thriller or drama. Hollywood have pretty good war films for instance, although no 2-3 hr movie can compress those stories and no war film is perfect. But most of them are very good worth watching. Bollywood has rarely touched on that subject and many more.

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Well..thanks for your answer."Your father is one sick mother you know that?" I don't get what do you mean. However if you have intention to insult, don't you ever dare to insult parents on this forum.

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yes... thanks to stoopuid IMDB practice, your sig looks exactly like a continuation of your replay. this is such a stupid setup by IMDB

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Let me begin by saying I'm not Indian. I'm American/Canadian. But I've been watching Bollywood movies for about eight years, and I've seen a lot of them, although almost everything I've seen is from 1990 on, and I've subscribed to Filmfare for many years. Everyone who's written in this thread has made valid points. Yes, Hollywood makes really bad movies, copies ideas, etc. too. But it also makes really, really good movies. And they are original. Dhoom 3 is really a collection of clips from several Hollywood movies stuck together (see my comments on the thread about originality). The original poster talked about fans of various stars--good point. Compare, say, Russell Crowe to SRK. I like both, but Russell Crowe can play a huge range of characters and he disappears into his roles. SRK plays SRK. Of course Clint Eastwood always played Clint Eastwood, so that's not necessarily a bad thing, but I can't think of any male Indian actors who have much of a range. The women do, but usually it's wasted because they are almost always secondary characters, although I see signs of this changing (Suddth Desi Romance, Ladies vs. Ricky Bahl, 7 Khoon Maaf). Also, Indians defend their own films regardless of quality. Why? I don't feel offended if someone says 90% of Hollywood films are garbage. It's true. But I don't watch the 90%, I watch the 10%. Why do I like Bollywood movies? I'll start with the women: Katrina, Priyanka, Aishwarya, Kajol, Sonam, Juhi, etc. They are both talented actors and beautiful women. Next, the stories are very much like 1950s Hollywood (this is a good thing!) because they are innocent and sweet (I don't like the Bollywood gangster movies or low level comedies, and don't watch them). Third, the dancing and singing adds an element sadly missing today in Hollywood--where is West Side Story, The Sound of Music, etc.? Finally, these movies are HAPPY movies, for the most part. Having said all that, I have to say that most of my favorite movies from the last 10 years have been Japanese--they are original, have something universal to say to the audience (you don't have to be Japanese to understand them), and are extremely emotionally moving. Not to mention great acting and technical skill. Bollywood directors would be well served to watch a few of the best Japanese movies (Norwegian Wood, Confessions) and take some notes. I suspect a lot (all?) of the problems that Hindi movies have is because they are made so quickly--it shows. My two big complaints are 1) the non-Indian actors are generally terrible, especially if they have small roles. In the case of Dhoom 3, Mr. Anderson is just awful. Is that the best they could find in Chicago? Really? 2) The subtitles seem to be an afterthought. They ALWAYS have mistakes. In the case of Dhoom 3, writing 20$ instead of $20. In the case of Madras Cafe (the worst example I can think of), there are probably l00 mistakes or more. Plus they have Nargis Fakhri (who's American, remember) saying things in English that no English speaking person would say. Where is the editor? Why not hire a native English-speaking consultant to a) make sure that British or American actors with small roles can really act and b) edit the subtitles. It would take less than a day and a few hundred dollars. I suspect a lot of Indians have to depend on the subtitles too. Why spend millions on a movie but not hire an editor to check subtitles? Doesn't make sense.

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Oh...sorry, didn't notice that. Haha

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I've been wondering the same thing buddy. I normally don't watch Indian movies for the same reason you mentioned, but sometimes I just accompany my friends hoping for a good movie. Then I watched Dhoom 3. Boy was that a torture!! 3 hours of Mental r*pe.
Moreover, I didn't even have very high expectations for that movie but that was really awful.

Although, from the handful of Indian movies I've seen, there are good ones too. They don't catch the same limelight as Dhoom or krrish but they make some remote profit.

The thing is that movie industry in India is entirely a family deal. Father does acting for few years, then makes way for his talentless son, blah blah blah.

Second of all, people who watch these movies are also like minded for these dumba** movies.
Believe me or not, there are such die hard fans of these actors that they would literally beat you up if you say something bad about the movie or their favourite actor.

This trend of making such movies will still be there for a few years, before the movies with quality scripts catch up.

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You have watched it?? I feel the torture to..they make it for general audience, whether its action, drama, romance, comedy etc ..they make it for family.


I found out the fights between die hard fans too. When I search the answers on Bollywood articles or websites. All i found on comment sections were Shahrukh Khan Fans vs Salman Khan fans vs Aamir Khan fans vs others I forget their names. But they were hilarious. They would attack someone with terrible words..

And i think they are pitiful, because they don't care about quality works of their idols but only box office. Eg. I want to find reference of good bollywood movies, then I read salman khan fan talks on internet forum , they said Ready, Dabangg, Bodyguard were greatest movie, box office winners but when i try to find those ratings on imdb, their ratings are just 4.
It means they are only care about their idols, not their idols improvements.

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I salute you that you were able to watch crap movies like chennai express, dhoom 3 coz i can't manage to do it. They are so poorly acted and directed that you can't even imagine. This is the reason why i stopped watching bollywood movies. I only turn up to watch them when they are directed by Anurag Kashyap. Though his movies doesn't break box office records but travel to many film festivals. Some of his movies i'll recommend would be gangs of wasseypur, dev d.

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That's the problem, film makers have to decide, money or quality? well..mostly they choose money over quality. Film makers, actors etc tend to choose money because its like they afraid that flop movie (financially) will hurt their star power. That's why I asked on discussion board, why star power is still big matters.

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I am From Sri Lanka, so I am not from India but belongs to a much similar culture. Talking about movies like Dhoom 3 and Krrish, anyone can see the obvious rip off factor from Hollywood movies. But they still do business. Why??? Because most Indian audience are not big fans of Hollywood except for some metro city youth generation. Even English movies are dubbed in Hindi, they would not watch. They like their share of romance, melo drama, family relations, and masala. So what seemed to be Indian film makers do in their movies is taking some ideas from Hollywood, mix those Desi (Indian) favor and present it to audience. And it works. If people enjoy the movie, I think that is enough. You can't force someone to change their appetite.

Besides, don't judge Hindi Cinema based upon movies like these and other Masala movies out there. There are good movies like "Lagaan", "Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam", "Rang De Basanti", "Taare Zameen Par", "Dil Chahta Hai". Even the new version of "Don" is a good movie to watch. If you give some time to watch any of them, you will find some good cinema.

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Yes, I feel sorry to hear that. In this globalization era, they don't feel ashamed to do rip off. Because, their "secrets" are floating on youtube. But i think i try to understand it, they just don't care about originality.

I never watched movies you have mentioned, 3 hours is too long for me. But I ever heard those movies on icheckmovies.com.

I watched My Name is Khan, Don2 on cinema years ago. My Name is Khan had good premise and story but the ending was cheesy and lame. Yes, Don2 is pretty good, I watched it on saturday night with my friends, and only 3 of us were in theater. The theater was totally empty, that was the first time I jumped, walked did silly things in theater for the first time in life. Haha I will never forget it.

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Yeah,whatever you commented over Bollywood movies,i really appreciate it but thing is that..Hollywood cant be like Bollywood and of course white people cant be like brown..and of course i mean it. Don't behave like a misanthrope..I'm giving u some Movies name just watch it..[Udaan,veer-zara,Swades,K3G,Mohabatein,3 idiots]

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Yeah,whatever you commented over Bollywood movies,i really appreciate it but thing is that..Hollywood cant be like Bollywood and of course white people cant be like brown..and i mean it. Don't behave like a misanthrope..I'm giving u some Movies name just watch it..[Udaan,veer-zara,Swades,K3G,Mohabatein,3 idiots]

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Hi friends, first of all, thanks to all for commenting in this thread. I'm an Indian and avid movie follower. So this thread caught my attention. However, just to remind you to most of my friends from outside India, that you guys are absolutely wrong when you're thinking 'Bollywood' is representing whole Indian cinema. India produce hundreds of movies in probably over 20 languages throughout the year. So Bollywood is only a part of it, which is known as Hindi Film Industry. But if you look at the regional film industries in India, they are known and admired by movie buffs around the world for mature social content, outstanding narrative and film techniques. I'm a Bengali from Kolkata, India, which is considered as Cultural Hub of India, is known for it's rich creative tradition in arts and culture and obviously movies. If you people are real movie buff, then you should know of legends of world cinema like Satyajit Ray, Mrinal Sen, Ritwik Ghatak just to name a few. To give you an idea and better understanding, Martin Scorsese used to be an avid fan of Late Satyajit Ray. So my kind request to all of my friends from around the world, don't judge Indian Cinema by just watching Bollywood cinemas, which is really even after 100 years, still at it's adolescence period! Indian regional movies are at per or better than most of the Asian or world cinema.

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The reason why Dhoom 3 for instance has earned that much money and broke all those records, is due to the marketing strategy Bollywood has been doing since decades. The producers lock the date and year before development of the film begins. Second, they always choose casts and tell the media the next movie will feature an X actor, so audience is excited about the movie even without hearing what is it about. They are excited because the actor(s) that producers chose was a huge star and or actor who has consecutive box office hits. Next, when everything is finalized and that includes script and actors, even before filming begins, the producers still does some promotion, so that talk of the movie remains in the public minds. Moreover, other movies cannot be released in the same month, unless those filmmakers want to risk the chance of their film failing due to more hype of Dhoom 3. So basically the movies that released during December and January weren't exactly big movies with big stars, so Dhoom 3 had two months that it could run at all theaters. Also, advance ticket booking was there more for Dhoom 3 than any movie released in that month. Even before the movie releases, it can be called a blockbuster due to advanced booking by itself. Moreover, it was during Christmas season and every Bollywood box office hit movies are released during the holiday season like Diwali,Christmas,Eid etc... so theaters will be booked during that month. In Hollywood the summer blockbusters can be released within weeks of each other and all those movie will become hits. Hunger Games and Hobbit:Desolation of Smaug for instance were released within few weeks of each other and both are huge hits. It's not like one film eclipsed the other.Like wise for Iron Man and F&F 6 and Man of Steel-Monsters University- World War Z. Even The Conjuring and Wolverine were released within days of each other and both movies did extremely well. It's not the case with Bollywood, monopoly of the producers of Dhoom 3 in the industry is main the reason it did well. There was a big dispute regarding this between one star/producer and his film and the film released by the same producers in Bollywood over the date and screens allocated to one movie over the other.

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