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Did anyone catch Simin's main reason for rebellion?


I read many of the board threads and didn't see a single reference to one of - to me - most important points Simin was making that Nader never understood: that she expected Nader to act more like a caring husband, and less like a "father figure" so stubborn and unyielding about truth and principles.

When Simin is in the car, Nader's father with her, she pulls over, crying, she says "he didn't even tell me not to go...we've been together for 14 years and he didn't say a word asking me not to go...".

I see people arguing how cold and selfish Simin is but they apparently don't see that she also wants more intimacy with her husband; I don't know, maybe for him to be a bit more possessive or even jealous. That instead of being so concerned with what is right, instead of saying "you can leave if you want to," she expected a sign of his love and more unity with her.

To me, that's one of the deciding factors why she was maybe "acting out", you know, in addition to really wanting to leave the country to create a better future for her daughter.

What do you think?

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Nader clearly will fight for his beliefs and his principles but he won't fight for his wife. He seems too proud to admit that he loves his wife and will put her happiness first.

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Limited,

Who knows what really goes on in any marriage, right? In the case of this movie, the viewer is only shown the relationship between the two after things have already gotten bad. How long had they been fighting? What was the intensity of their fights? What heated exchanges could they have possibly had? We shall never know. We only see them after their separation.

In a relationship with endless bickering, intimacy will suffer. The husband will get tired, and so will the wife.

Nader didn't ask her to stay because by then, all he saw was a woman who was Hell bent on leaving with or without him and breaking up the family. If he had told her not to go would she have listened? Maybe he knew she wouldn't, so he didn't bother. Maybe he was angry with her and didn't feel like telling her to stay (men are entitled to have hurt feelings too).

She was very adamant about leaving and raising her daughter in a better country and providing her with a better future. As far as I could tell, Nader provided for his family quite well, and he took very good care of them. He was a very loving and caring father, and I'm sure he was a much more attentive, caring and loving husband, before all the fighting started.

You say that Nader only cared about "what was right". Simin was the same way. For her being "right" was moving the family to some other country. For Nader, it was not abandoning his ill father. "What was right" was different for both, and neither was willing to make a compromise at the time.

Frankly I'm not even sure a compromise would have been painless for either of them. It would have involved not so much making the "right" decision, but rather choosing the "lesser of two evils" - staying in Iran and taking care of the father.

I'm not sure if this is the reason for Simin's "rebellion" as you called it. One could find more fault with Nader than with Simin, or vice versa. What I do know is that in the end, despite being together with her husband for 14 years, she's the one that left.


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my take is this: nader has always been a headstrong, principled guy. a romantic notion when you're in college, but it gets really tiring when you have to live & make a life together with such a person. little things that most people let go (like the gas station incident), he insisted to make right. leaving the country, although i do believe it's mostly for a better future, in some part is also a selfish decision for simin because although she would still be stuck with her husband, she would have plenty of distraction as they adjust & experience a lot of new things in the new country. when that plan fell through because nader changed his mind to stay with his ailing father, made simin blew up because now she's stuck in a difficult marriage with no alternatives.

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I think the key was in what Simin told him: "you can have everything, just give me my child and let me go."
It shows that Or it seems that she has no care for him. If he gave her Termeh, she would have been in the airport the next day.
Nader seemed to have taken that as Simin's lack of interest of continued life with him. Why would he tell her that he wants her to stay while he has already told her that if leaving the country is more important than leaving her husband he is not going to force her to stay.

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Simin doesn't care about anyone. Even the daugher, she only wants to take him to hurt the father as much as she can before going away and never returning. Just like when she says her daughter is in danger from the other father when everyone knows that father can be a douche and throw rocks at windshields but enough of a man not to hurt innocent children.

I think you got Nader's viewpoint: if his wife wants to leave and take her children and leave him alone with dying grandfather then what love is there left to fight for? Of course it is a shame he cannot see that she is only faking these things for his attention and would come back if he showed any interest but in reality all we see in the movie is her fault.

A grown-up women, mother of a 11-year old daughter does not do well of acting like a spoiled child and leaving her family behind instead of approaching her husband in an adult manner, discussing the problems of their relationship and asking that her romantic, emotional, whatever needs be met. We see Nader keep as strong as he can during the whole ordeal of the movie. He does not falter when he is almost sentenced to 2 years in jail, only when his wife comes to discuss things. This shows that she cares for her the most, alongside her daughter.

If he could live through all of the movie with such strength I am sure it would be a piece of cake for the couple to solve their issues if they were dealt with in the open.

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