When Isabelle kills her assistent a body is near cabinet but when she wakes up ( after dreaming about Christin's ghost attacking her ) the body is near her bad. Was the inspector really alarmed, did he see evidence of Christin's murder or it was just a nightmare? And that woman on the funeral is a real twin sister?
shareYou wanted to make people "happy" describing the end? Ramaja - I think you should have thought twice before you did it. It's really egoistic. And what for???????? It really will spoli watching the film to many viewers.
shareAre you kidding?? Check title again...SPOILER topics are only for those who watched the movie...
shareYou are kidding. Are you so naive to believe that inscription SPOILER will make that people will not look at it? It's just too tempting. And You even didn't cover your comment with the right IMdB markups.
shareI can only say - LOL.
shareYes, you have properly described yourself.
Look, Stilla, people not being able to control themselves is not OP's problem. The SPOILER tag warned them, he/she hasn't done anything wrong. Is this really so hard for you to understand?
shareYour daddy should have just gone to sleep that night and the world would be an idiot less right now. Do not open up threads marked "spoilers" and then start up a fight when you see a spoiler inside.
share:))) I'm having a good laugh at you now. First of all learn to read with understanding and buy glasses (there were no spoilers special marks, but it doesn't matter now anyway). The second advise - find a good psychiatrist for yourself. Your agression you show everywhere on the IMDb board using many nicknames takes enormous part of your male brain (or bra :))).
shareTalking about psychiatrists, I only know 3 types of people with such low self control: pedos, rapists and you. And you, most certainly must belong in one of the above two categories. That settles that. Waiting to read about you soon in the sexual offenders list. Ciao!
share yes, sure, especially that I'm female. You are not intelligent.
You made my day and surely other people day, too.
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OH MY GOD SHUT UP Stippida!
I just finished watching it, it was nice, it kept suspense, nice acting and some Palma moments even though repeated from other of his films where a nice flashback.
I thought in one moment Cristine had tricked her twin sister to be at her house the night of the murder and then took her place , but after Noomi's character woke up, then yeah, I think she killed her assistant, lost consciousness, had the dream about Christine coming to kill her, message was send and received by the police officer, and she is now happily serving time in prison.
it was an entertaining film.
YOU are not intelligent if you actually think being female means you can't be a sex offender. http://femalesexoffenders.com/fso/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive_behavior
Good luck with that, Stilla.
P.S.: If you don't want to have movies spoiled for you, don't read discussions about them.
P.S.S.: Especially discussions that say SPOILER in BIG LETTERS...
The OP shouldn't be blamed because other people don't have self-control.
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your post made me laughing Mr Nervous:)))) especially that I watched the film long time ago. Read with understanding:)) Replying on my post not directed to you means that you really needed my attention.:))) Yep,so some seconds for you, enjoy.:))
You are kidding. Are you so naive to believe that inscription SPOILER will make that people will not look at it? It's just too tempting. And You even didn't cover your comment with the right IMdB markups.
rofl, thanks for the chuckle
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Yeah, I didn't get it either. It's a terrible story that even De Palma's hypnotizing direction can't really save.
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I think the twin sister is real. She knew what hapenned all along so what she did is luring the police officer into the building and then attacking Isabelle. She didn't strangle her to death, she just made her faint. Meanwhile the officer saw the evidence on his phone. When Isabelle wakes up and the film ends there, it's only a matter of time before the cops come to take her. Either that or it was a bad nightmare. It is open to the viewer's interpretation
Finaly a real answer. :) Thank you.
shareim not sure about the twin sister.. how would she find out about the murder in the first place??? if she happened to be around the crib during the time of an actual murder, it would strongly suggest that the twin sisters were around all the time, complicating the entire plot... it could have been used as a nice twist if it was more thought-over....
another thing that buggles me is that the 'twin' sister is wearing the scarf covered in blood... Im pretty sure such crimical evidence is safely kept in the police department and the twin sister would have no access to it... however, i dunno how Isabelle fainted then and woke up later on in bed... kinda confuses me...
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I am pretty sure the sending of the message and the twin sister never happened.
She wakes up in bed after a nightmare of "what if's".
What if the sister had come to seek revenge?
What if the message was sent and the police alerted?
The fact that she awakes from sleep with a body on the floor beside her tells me that none of those things actually happened.
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Yes Carrot, reveal everything.:/ People don't have to watch it then.
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Begone, troll. Can't handle a thread that clearly says 'SPOILER'? Then leave.
shareOkay seriously, are you deranged or something? This is the most thickheaded nonsense I've seen in ages. People come to the board to discuss the movie. The thread title indicates that the topic is how the film ends and that it contains spoilers. If people read it anyway before having seen the film that is their own stupid fault, and it's not the fault of the poster if other readers have the IQ of a dust bunny and look anyway. Your position is not remotely reasonable, so spare me the "read with understanding" BS, and instead try to speak with intelligence.
-There is no such word as "alot."
another thing that buggles me is that the 'twin' sister is wearing the scarf covered in blood... Im pretty sure such crimical evidence is safely kept in the police department and the twin sister would have no access to it...
Don't try to cash in love, that check will always bounce.share
There's also the fact that whether or not she really had a twin sister, the sister is supposed to be dead. So even if the story about her sister wasn't just a bid to get sympathy, it illogical for her to then show up at the funeral. Also, the detective says at the funeral that he'd yet to have a chance to apologize, when according to Isabelle he'd already come by and left flowers. It would seem that the funeral would have to have been part of the dream as well.
-There is no such word as "alot."
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De Palma saved nothing, he made it worse than the original by a significant degree....
shareThe ending was clearly symbolic. Christine's twin sister did exist (Dani commented on how she thought she was lying at the funeral). The scene with her strangling Isabelle is just a premonition. If the whole thing was a dream, they would have made it more clear than just her foot hitting the send button. I don't think she knew that the message went out.
shareThe funeral could've easily been part of the dream.
Why would the twin be wearing the bloodied scarf, and how would she even get it? It would seem more likely that the twin is symbolic.
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I'm totally confused as well by those last 15 minutes. I hate it when they try to throw too many twists at the end like that. Both girls saw the "twin sister" at the funeral, so I don't think it was just murderer's guilt. But when she appears at the end and strangles Isabelle with the bloody scarf, I get that it is symbolic. The strange part is -- if Dani did hit "Send" with her toe -- then the inspector at the bottom of the stairs would have raced up and nabbed her. As it stands, it seems like Isabelle committed the deed, then fell asleep again (and dreamed about Christine's ghost), and then wakes up with Dani still right there on the floor when the movie ends.
I don't know. It didn't do much for me.
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KASMAN: It's funny you mentioning the advertisement parodying Inception, as dreaming is so key to this film, dreams within dreams, and by the end and the final shot it's not clear whether you're outside of any dream yet, and the final title card, “The End,” is almost a joke on this. Dreams are very key to your movies, waking up from dreams, waking up but still finding yourself in a dream. Is this something you are personally interested in or is this a property of movies?
DE PALMA: It's a property of movies and it's a property of my life. I wake up three or four times in the night, and as soon as I wake up I'm not sure whether I'm in a dream or not. It takes me, you know, thirty seconds or a minute to realize “Oh! I just woke up.” And that's very much what happens at the end of Passion, where you aren't quite sure...is she really dead? Did she really kill her? [Laughs.]
http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/a-property-of-movies-a-conversation-wit h-brian-de-palma
My take on the ending (with SPOILERS)
Earlier in the film, Isabelle wakes up from a dream that turns out to be a reality. The ending echoes this.
Isabelle is effectively being blackmailed into a relationship by Dani who has hidden the phone containing the evidence. When the phone rings, Isabelle is able to find it in the hope of destroying it. Dani awakes and they fight. Outside the policeman has arrived to leave flowers as an apology. Isabelle kills Dani who, in her final moments, succeeds in sending the incriminating information to the police. Then, Christine's twin arrives and attempts to murder Isabelle, as retribution...
All of this is part of the dream and is symbolic. Dani hides the phone behind the cupboard, the same place Isabelle hid the scarf. The ringing phone is representative of Isabelle's guilt (like the tell-tale heart). The detective places the flowers like a wreath, anticipating the murder of Dani and the figurative "end" of Isabelle herself. The appearance of Christine's twin is another manifestation of guilt and, as someone else said, a kind of karmic revenge.
Now for the reality. Dani uses the threat of the video footage to seduce Isabelle. Afterwards, Isabelle wakes up and searches for the phone. Isabelle fights with Dani, hoping to get possession of the phone, which was not hidden behind the cupboard but somewhere more practical, but in the chaos, kills her. Dani - again, in her final moments - manages to send the incriminating evidence to the police. Isabelle realises that it's over for her, lies back on the bed and awaits her fate.
"The End"
Whether or not Christine really did have a twin is open to interpretation. She's acknowledged by Dani during the funeral, but this itself could be part of Isabelle's dream, since the funeral occurs after the scene in the kitchen but before the scene with the phone. I would say that everything after Dani and Isabelle kiss is a dream, but a dream that reflect the reality.
Best and most accurate answer yet.
shareThis is actually the first answer that makes any sense to me. Thanks. ;)
shareYes, excellent analysis, especially where you highlight the guilt that Isabelle experiences. I wonder if we could go one step further.
It is strange that Dani at the cemetery makes an observation about the twin sister: as far as we know, only Isabelle and Dirk discussed the twin sister, not Dani. So here we may start thinking of Dani as Isabelle's alter ego, so that Dani and Isabelle are two sides of a complex personality. Throughout the film, Dani is constantly watching, and watching over, Isabelle. Could it be that this is one side of Isabelle watching the other? After the murder, Dani is still OK with Isabelle, but Isabelle rejects Dani. One interpretation of this, and of what happens in the final scenes, is that Isabelle's feeling of guilt stands in the way of these two sides of her personality being united. Even while they sleep in the same bed, they are not at peace, and in the end something's got to give. The images we see in the end are perhaps just the kinds of resolutions that go through Isabelle's mind: giving herself in, being subjected to Christine's revenge, or killing off her better half.
Frankly, I was first disappointed by the bizarre twists in the final minutes, but you have to recall that this is De Palma, and that he is probably a couple of steps ahead of us. What we see may not be the 'factual' continuation of the story, but us entering the mind of the protagonist, a technique he used much more conspicuously in Femme Fatale.
I think generally what people are saying is accurate. Isabelle does kill Dani, but everything else is pretty much a dream - Isabelle's guilty conscience overwhelming her with "what ifs?" as a result of her killing Christine and now Dani.
My only point of contention is whether or not Dani was able to get the video sent to the police or not. I think that could very well be a dream as well. The only thing we know for sure at the end is that Isabelle killed Christine and Dani.
YES! Finally, this answer gave me time to "stitch" things up. I really thought the movie had ended when they kissed but then a bunch of crazy *beep* went down - and for me it only makes sense if everything after that kiss was a dream, a manifestation of her guilt and conscience.
Phew! I actually think I liked the movie, but since it starts all glossy and polished and shiny, it's hard to accept the gloomy european artsy turn of events. So....
I have a similar description of the ending written by ThreeSadTigers but with some differences.
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1. The twin sister;
"Whether or not Christine really did have a twin is open to interpretation."
Christine has a twin sister. The twin sister showing up at the funeral was not a dream (since we also hear dialogue by the police).
2. Isabelle killing Dani at the end.
"Isabelle is effectively being blackmailed into a relationship by Dani who has hidden the phone containing the evidence. When the phone rings, Isabelle is able to find it in the hope of destroying it. Dani awakes and they fight. Outside the policeman has arrived to leave flowers as an apology. Isabelle kills Dani..."
I agree with this.
* Because at the end of the movie we see Isabelle lying in bed with Dani's body on the floor.
She has woken up and so some time has passed since Dani was killed.
This tells me.
A. Isabelle killed Dani. (Because Dani's body is on the floor after Isabelle woke up - meaning it was not a dream).
B. Christine's twin sister killing Isabelle is a dream (Because Isabelle is awake and alive in bed at the end of the movie).
C. The phone message with the evidence against Isabelle was not sent. That was a dream.
- At the end of the film the police have not arrested Isabelle (she is lying in bed after waking up after some time has passed since Dani was killed).
- I believe that the police officer was at the door with the flowers.
If the phone message had been sent to this police officer, then Isabelle would have been quickly arrested.
She was not arrested, therefore the message was not sent.
** That is the explanation that works best for me.
It is similar to the end of "The Talented Mr. Ripley". A murderer kills someone to prevent information from being revealed.
BB ;-)
it's just in my opinion - imo -
I basically agree with BB-15 and ThreeSadTigers.
There was no sister. It was one of Christine’s many attempts to manipulate Isabelle. Dirk also supports this (and he would really know, being so deep in Christine’s finances – you tend to learn all endowment “exposures”).
Also, Isabelle wasn’t seduced by Dani... she was being blackmailed. Isabelle had been manipulating Dani all throughout the film, just as Christine had been manipulating Isabelle (recall opening laptop scene and then the similar closing one between Isabelle and Dani). Isabelle was clearly using Dani.
The killing of Dani was followed by a dream of “what if’s” – things that could’ve happened. Isabelle was conflicted through the film all because of Christine, and now Dani caused the same duress by strong-arming her.
Did Christine have as sister? I don’t think so. Was the message sent to the police? I don’t think so. (I really doubt someone has the wherewithal to realize the actual blackmailing cell phone was at their feet and then able to push the correct single button … all the while being strangled!?! She’d be more focused on making a noise hearing the door bell ringing.)
I believe that Dani NEVER HAD ANY FOOTAGE reorded on a cell. She never showed any footage to Isabelle. I think she may have followed her to get an idea of timeline and enough to 'call her bluff' - but to be up on the second floor recording?? I think Isabelle came to realize this possibility and took the chance and killed her. Again, then having a subsequent dream of, “what if” the recordings existed and were sent. All of this just in MHO, but a decent flick none the less to stir such conversations.
Everything after the scene in the kitchen is the start of one of her nightmares.
So the phone starts ringing----they are fighting---the whole thing with Dani almost sending it, and then it being sent, and the inspector seeing it on his phone and looking up right before Christine attempts to choke Isabelle with the bloody scarf that was already in evidence at the police station----that was all apart of the dream.
I'll explain:
Remember when they were in the kitchen, and talking and laughing and Isabelle said "And then Inspector Bach pathetically came to my house with flowers to apologize. I threw them in the trash."
Then she starts having the nightmare, beginning with the funeral. Seeing the "twin" (who probably wasn't real to begin with) in the green shoes which represent the fashion show they were at (the shoes wouldn't have been available to buy yet. Giving the audience a hint that this may not be real if you pay close attention)
So the whole thing with the Inspector being there while she is indeed killing Dani (the ringing of the untraceable phone in the dream was her panic of being found out) How could it ring if its untraceable? Just a disposable phone? And why would the inspector be there super late with flowers, continuing to knock as such an unreasonable hour not waking anyone else up, apologizing a second time? If you go back to the funeral scene: He says at the funeral "I never got a chance to apologize to her."
Ummmmmm yes he did--- because in the kitchen, she told the story about how he already tried to and gave her flowers. Remember? Another hint that funeral sequence wasn't real.
The only real thing that happened at the end was what they didn't show (instead they showed her nightmare) All that happened is Isabelle wanted to just destroy the phone or delete the videos so she wasn't Dani's slave anymore and get her freedom back with no blackmail looming. So she probably snuck to the phone that night, Dani caught her, and they fought, and Isabelle snapped again and killed someone else.
So she wakes up (the funeral, the ringing, the inspector with the flowers, Christine with the bloody scarf almost killing her) This was all the nightmare. She wakes up to reality. That she had killed Dani after probably deleting the evidence and going back to bed.
But she's screwed, because she killed someone else, and has absolutely no alibi or lack of evidence this time. So ultimately both her and Christine get screwed over in this entire thing. And Dani and Dirk as well. Everyone falls. Isabelle just falls last.