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To anybody that reads this - I would appreciate it if you'd respond

posted 10 years ago by toddjacobucci2002
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I have posted a lot here over the last couple of days. I finally figured out last night (after watching Captivated again) why I feel so strongly about Pamela Smart and her situation. Its because I come from her age group. The 80s, the Mtv Generation, Generation X, whatever you want to call it - Im from the same generation as Pamela. SO, I can sit back and just imagine what it would have been like to be locked up at 22 years old - and to still be locked up at 47. Having been incredibly fortunate in my own life, my 20s and 30s were a complete joyride. Even the 40s are good, but not quite as good cuz you start to slow down. The point is - these years Im talking about are the absolute prime of your life. When they are gone, they are gone for good. I cant imagine a more tortuous feeling than knowing you have lost the prime of your life. This is what Pamela Smart has to live with every day. SO I say to all of you - is it not time to let this woman free???? ANd I say that even if she is guilty. There are arguments both ways. You're never gonna know the truth anyway so whats the point of hypothesizing on it??? Assuming the worst case scenario - which is that she convinced that young boy to kill her husband - assuming even that - I still say it is time to let her be free. Losing 24 years, and not just any 24 years, but the best years of your life is in my view more than enough punishment for anything that Pamela has done wrong. Let her live whatever life she has left as a free person. I'd appreciate any responses on this. I'm really curious as to how other people feel........

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[–] user106001 10 years ago

24 years? So, she lost the best years of her life? THAT'S your argument? Her husband lost all the years of his life. Because of her direct involvement and control. And we are never gonna know the truth. It was proven, and she was convicted.
Life is about choices, some small, some huge, some in between. And every one of those choices, has consequences.
She chose all her actions, and she now is dealing with the consequences. Whats the dilemma?
Poor little Pam, losing all her prime years? Are you even thinking clearly? Her husband lost everything.
More than enough punishment? A person was murdered. Serve a few years, and let them go?
If you had a brother, or son, or father killed , wouldn't you want those responsible to be locked up, forever?

[–] Katiedidd 10 years ago

Oh totally, dude! Pamela Smart totally lost the most rad, bodacious years of her life! Generation X, yo! Missing out on her 20s and 30s should be, like... the punishment, and now she should be allowed to be a bummed, barren gal out of prison because she missed the best years of her life while having to be in big bad prison. It'd be an act of mercy, really, because, after all, she missed sooo much, and now she's over the hill anyway. Why add prison to that horror?

All righty, I am finished with sarcasm. Your argument sounds alarmingly childish actually. You definitely don't sound 15+ years older than me with that rationale. Some judicial systems in the world actually do have parole in 25+ years for murder convictions, and I understand sympathizing with someone having to serve life in the U.S., but to read that Pam missed out on the good life, so we should just give her freedom is laughable...laughable. Pamela Smart made her choices. I really couldn't give a flying *beep* that she missed out on experiencing grunge, the dot com boom, starting a family or going on vacations. If Pam was so worried about her freedom, she should have divorced Greg instead. This wasn't some heat-of-the-moment, "it all happened so fast" crime, and now it's life in prison for one big mistake; she planned this for a while. She even had time to call it off. What Pam has missed out on pales in comparison to what Greg missed out on.

If you disagree with our country implementing life sentences or if you disagree with conspiracy to commit murder getting life, those are understandable. But the argument that has been made here is terribly juvenile. It sounds like you're saying that if Pam had been 40 when she was convicted, you'd not feel for her or want her to get out at age 65 because she "was old" when she was first locked up. We don't let out convicts because they were incarcerated when you decided are the best years of life (which is already so subjective). I think it's time to grow up.

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Being a bit older than you is exactly why I made the argument I did. You probably don't know yet what it is like to slow down, to feel older in your body. To look back on your life and say - wow, I certainly didn't realize when I was in my 20s and 30s that I would look back in my 40s and say "those were the best years of my life" or "I wish I felt that good again". I think you are probably too young to realize the value of these "prime years". You'd need to live a little more life to understand the point I was making. That aside, prime of your life or an old person - serving 24 years for manipulating some stupid kid is more than enough time to spend in jail. It wasn't her that pulled the trigger. The Pamela Smart of today is a completely different person than that 22 year old idiot that was sent to jail.

[–] Katiedidd 10 years ago

I think you are probably too young to realize the value of these "prime years".

In past discussions, my mother said her favorite years were in her 40s. Same for her sister. My grandmother actually said her best years were her 50s. My mother would throw 50s in there had she not had such knee problems (which were not from normal aging), but she still has enjoyed them a lot. I come from a long line of people who don't slow down in their 5th and 6th decades of life. I should name my maternal grandfather in this too but I kept it to the older women in my family.

Nevertheless, I may very well be the type to say my 30s were better than 40s and beyond. I don't need more time to pass to ever say my 20s were among the best because I had a jaw injury and had 8 major surgeries in that decade. My 20s were lame. I turned 31 last week, and I may very well be able to appreciate this decade more in the future regardless of what my family has said and what my genetics may be. However, age-related fatigue and a few more kinks in my joints will not make me relate more to what Pamela Smart lost. I can't even call it "lost." She took it away from herself, and again, since one's best decades are so subjective, she may have a grand ol' time out of prison in her 50s and beyond. The argument still smacks of immaturity.

If the concern truly that she has served enough time, that she has paid her debt, and has been rehabilitated. and/or you don't agree with life without parole for most who get it, those are good arguments. The argument that "the 20s and 30s are the best to me, and I feel sorry for Pam missing out on it all, so let's just let her out now," sounds so silly to me. I definitely do not need more time to change my mind on this. If it's an immature argument to me now, I doubt it'll seem less mature when I'm taking Centrum Silver and clicking on my heating pad for my stiff back.

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

I guess its easier for me to understand my argument here than you will ever be able to. I had so much fun and so much joy in my 20s and 30s that I can look back on them and think that the worst possible punishment that ever could have been levied on me would be to take those years away from me. NOw, that's just me personally. I think someone like you is going to have a crappy life all the way thru - so you'll never understand the joy I was talking about. Maybe it was a little selfish of me to relate my own happiness to what Pam has lost and i am sorry for that. I guess I should have put it this way - "It wouldnt matter if Pam went to jail now at 47 or when she did at 22, 24 years behind bars is more than enough for what she did wrong."

Ok, does that satisfy you Katie???? Sorry, for those of us who have actually enjoyed significant parts of their lives - we tend to call those signficant parts - prime years. Youll never know so there is no reason for me to discuss it any more.

[–] Katiedidd 10 years ago

Now I'm convinced you are a troll. I was trying to give examples of how not everyone thinks the 20s and 30s or life are the end all be all of life. The fact that you miss them so means you have the miserable life now and will continue too.

After my jaws were fixed, I've become pre-med again, have an amazing boyfriend, a ton of friends, and live in a city I love, and will be going to Europe soon. In my 30s, I plan on having children, my partner's and my careers to skyrocket, so actually life is and will continue to be good. Sorry it sucks to suck. You should become Pammy's prison pen pal, LOL!

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

No not at all. If you are athletic, which you probably are not - its tough to not be able to play basketball five nights a week anymore. Tough not to be able to work out with the same energy. These are things I miss. Does that mean I hate my life now??? Well, lets take a look at my life now. I retired at 41. As I am single with no children, I have complete freedom in my life and do exactly as I please every day. Pre med, huh??? Yeah, talk to me when you've actually finished an education. I hold a masters degree in business administration. Everything you are talking about you "plan" to do. I've already done it. We'll see how you do.

[–] Katiedidd 10 years ago

I actually always have been athletic. I won't go into past details, but I have done roller derby in recent years. I'm 5'4 and 107LBS, so I'm definitely a small player, but I'm fast!

I actually am glad you love your life now. I'm not being patronizing at all. You're right, much of what I said is "in the future" stuff. It's the best I got because my 20s had some delays. The point is, I am enjoying what I am doing now, and I hope to enjoy the rest of my life. I didn't say "pre-med" to say, "look at me!" I have oter career interests; I just hope I'll do something I love. It was out of left field for you to say I will be miserable forever because I told you about having lame 20s. I even acknowledged to you that I may very well agree with you and dig my 30s, hence some of your best years, years that Pam spent locked up. It just seemed like suddenly you got a real chip on your shoulder in threads where we spoke. Nothing I said was personal until your blatant insults. It's all good now though. I'm pretty finished discussing Pamela Smart anyway.

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Yes Katie, I took a reread yesterday of our correspondence and i think i misconstrued areas where you were being sarcastic and humorous. FOr that I apologize. I totally disagree with any kind of insulting remarks to anyone so I was completely wrong. I enjoyed the debates and enjoyed your thoughts. It actually opened my mind up to start finding other things aside from athletics to do in my 40s, cuz you simply cant do in your 40s what you could do in your 20s and 30s. So, thank you for that. As far as Pamela, yeah, i dont have much left to say either. We respectfully agree to disagree. Best of luck to you in pre med and im sure youll make a fine doctor someday.

[–] hoodahthunkett 10 years ago

I disagree with the OP 100%, despite his impassioned view of Pam Smart.

Pam Smart's demeanor during this so called documentary (if you will) seems to be the Pam Smart of pre-incarceration. That being demanding, calculating, ill tempered and in total denial of her role in this heinous crime.

This wasn't so much of a documentary,the way that I see it, but more a forum to reaffirm her "Why everybody is lying except me" attitude.

Whether her 20's, 30's and 40's have been taken from her while in prison is irrelevant, as Greg Smart's 20's thru 80's have been denied him as a result of her cold blooded masterminding of his murder.

Both her and Billy Flynn are exactly where they belong, and should never be allowed even one more day of freedom in this lifetime.

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Thank you hooda - you made some nice points. However, must say - Id be a bit more concerned about Bill Flynn walking the streets (he'll probably be free next year) than Pamela Smart. Anyone that can be fooled into killing someone and be capable of that kind of behavior is someone I wouldn't want around.

[–] moosefeathers 10 years ago

Seems to me this chickie had everything at feet in the 80's. her selfishness and narcissism caused her to be where she is now.

she's a murderous whore who got exactly what she deserved. leave her there to rot.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

[–] prometheus1816 10 years ago

Well there you go again there Toddio. Refusing to believe that Pammy's anything other than your prison goddess. You asked for it, you got it. The replies you received below are no different than what I was telling you and Roses. You seem to forget that Greg didn't just go on vacation. He didn't go someplace to think for a little while. Greg didn't go to his room. He's SIX FEET UNDER because of the malignant narcissism of his ill-chosen wifey. Like one of the replies below, Little Pammy could have gotten a divorce from Greg. That way she could have experienced all you opined above, however, she didn't. What did she do? She conspired to have her INNOCENT husband killed. Dead is dead and Greg won't recover from that. Pammy has recovered from the beating she received in prison, but if she hadn't done the deed she wouldn't have gone to prison to be beat up. I put her and Jeffrey McDonald int he same boat, rowing that oar of the pity party for knuckleheads like you to fall in sycophantically with her so-called, self-inflicted plight. Grow up and realize she ORDERED AN INNOCENT MAN TO BE MURDERED. What can you say about that other than she is where she deserves to be, away from we folk who are law abiding citizens. She wasn't framed, or erroneously convicted. She slept with a kid who she paid to murder her husband. There needs to be no more said about that.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Hello Prometheus: First of all, the knucklehead comment wasnt necessary. I am just expressing my opinion as I am entitled to do. That aside, yes, you are right so far. There has been only one other person that agrees with Roses and I. Hey, thats fine. I was interested in other opinions and have received them. Doesnt change my stance though.

[–] prometheus1816 10 years ago

Hello Prometheus: First of all, the knucklehead comment wasnt necessary. I am just expressing my opinion as I am entitled to do. That aside, yes, you are right so far. There has been only one other person that agrees with Roses and I. Hey, thats fine. I was interested in other opinions and have received them. Doesnt change my stance though.

Todd:

The "knucklehead" comment was well placed. Your argument is wrong headed. You are entitled to your own opinion, however, when you claim that Pamela has "served enough time and should be freed because she has soooooo much to offer society," you forget the main reason for incarceration. That is for punishment. Has she be punished enough? No! If a Mafia Don can be arrested, tried and convicted for ordering a hit on a rival member of another family, then what Pamela did is no different. That you are even believing her drivel about her so-called innocence only shows she has you snowed. That means whatever you are saying about her "paying for her crime," shows she is just as manipulative behind bars as she would be outside. Who knows if someone pisses her off outside she might do the same thing, we'll never know. But the point here is she shouldn't be given that chance. She is incapable of showing any remorse for what she did, though I wouldn't even believe her if she did show that remorse. The interview with Bill Spender she did after Greg's murder where she was telling him what they should cover, how coldly she said about showing her looking at the top of the wedding cake, how she talked so coldly about what happened to Greg, not to forget how dressed to the nines she was is indicative of her psychopathy. And no it's not "Hey, that's fine." It's almost juvenile in that you feel she's been robbed of all this stuff that's happened over the past 24 years she's been in prison. She committed a crime. She is where she should be. She has a television, access to the internet, computers, cosmetics, hair products, good clothes, three squares, and health care and eduction. She's got it good. She's not missing anything.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Prometheus:

I dont think you have been completely understanding my argument. I never said she was innocent. I have maintained from day 1 that I thought she was guilty of the crime (manipulating that boy). Secondly, as I have said from day 1, yes, that 22 year old version of Pam Smart was quite a jerk (her age at Bill Spender interview). SHe was cold, arrogant, full of herself, not to mention full of it. Believe me you - I could have cared less when she was locked up (notice I knew nothing of what happened to her until I viewed the Captivated documentary). Thirdly, although yes, I agree she was guilty, I find a ton of reasonable doubt in this case. I think Pam had one lousy lawyer. Which as we now know, that can make the difference in innocence or guilt, regardless of what actually happened (OJ for example). ANd lastly, I think Pamela is a different person now. She has educated herself, she has tutored other inmates. ALl of the people around her now speak well of her. Shes changed. Shes not that 22 year old jerk anymore. This is a person who can offer our society plenty. Her intelligence and aptitude is wasted behind bars. This is how I see it. The fact that you dont see it my way is fine. I respect your opinion. However, dont think for a second that Roses and I are the only people of the "Free Pam Smart" opinion. There is a petition to free Pam on the Pamela Smart website. Around 1500 people have signed it.

[–] prometheus1816 10 years ago

I dont think you have been completely understanding my argument. I never said she was innocent. I have maintained from day 1 that I thought she was guilty of the crime (manipulating that boy). Secondly, as I have said from day 1, yes, that 22 year old version of Pam Smart was quite a jerk (her age at Bill Spender interview). SHe was cold, arrogant, full of herself, not to mention full of it. Believe me you - I could have cared less when she was locked up (notice I knew nothing of what happened to her until I viewed the Captivated documentary).

Then why press so hard to have her freed? That 22 year-old version is the same as the 40 something version she is today. In fact, it's congealed into a very dangerous mind no different than a Manson, or a Jim Jones. That arrogance, full of herself and full of it penchant has become more metastasized. That she doesn't once mention Greg says volumes. She's still only concerned with her own plight, not what Greg or his family have gone through.

Thirdly, although yes, I agree she was guilty, I find a ton of reasonable doubt in this case. I think Pam had one lousy lawyer. Which as we now know, that can make the difference in innocence or guilt, regardless of what actually happened (OJ for example). ANd lastly, I think Pamela is a different person now. She has educated herself, she has tutored other inmates. ALl of the people around her now speak well of her. Shes changed. Shes not that 22 year old jerk anymore. This is a person who can offer our society plenty. Her intelligence and aptitude is wasted behind bars. This is how I see it. The fact that you dont see it my way is fine. I respect your opinion. However, dont think for a second that Roses and I are the only people of the "Free Pam Smart" opinion. There is a petition to free Pam on the Pamela Smart website. Around 1500 people have signed it.

There is no reasonable doubt in her case. It was well-established she hired those four boys to do her bidding. She had good representation, something that was likely addressed in one of her many now EXHAUSTED appeals. The appeals court likely addressed that and it was found to be a non-appealable issue. Pamela has not changed and she's no different than she was back then. Like I said, that psychopathy has just amped itself up. Doesn't matter how she's bettered herself behind bars. So have Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten and the late dead bitch Susan Atkins. All three women found guilty in the seven Tate/LaBianca killings have/had degrees. Atkins converted just like Pammy to Christianity. Atkins used that conversion to try to get herself out of prison many times, however, there's something again you've completely overlooked in each and every single one of my postings to you. That is the need for incarceration. That is PUNISHMENT for the crime committed. That she has above average intelligence just means she's more capable today to do worse harm than she did back then.

About that petition. Back in 1983, the aforementioned Leslie Van Houten had a petition drawn up asking to be paroled. After only a dozen years in prison for the murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca and conspiracy to commit the five killings at the Tate house the previous night, Van Houten was hoping for release. Her lawyer and parents managed to gather a few thousand signatures not unlike Pamela Smart has. However, when DA Stephen Kay found this out, he went to Doris Tate, mother of Sharon and told her of the possibility of Van Houten's release. Doris Tate through her hair salon and other means including a campaign through the National Enquirer and a coupon one could sign and return to Tate's PO box, managed to gather close to 700,000 signatures opposing Van Houten's release. I can guarantee you, if Dean Smart issued a campaign similar to what Doris Tate did, Pamela Smart ain't getting out anytime soon. The public has little care for murderers and those who murder-for-hire particularly. I'd actually think of writing to Dean to tell him of this in order to keep this machinating bitch behind bars. She hasn't paid enough. Do you understand? She couldn't pay enough to make up for what she did not only to Greg, but to those boys' lives. Now you mentioned in a post above about being more worried about Billy Flynn than you would be about Smart. I say he's full of himself in wanting to be released, but I would believe he would be more able to re-enter society without the huge chip on his shoulder which Pamela still seems to have. Is he dangerous? I don't think so. I think he's learned, but I'm not as fearsome of him getting out as I would be Pamela.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Back in 1983, the aforementioned Leslie Van Houten had a petition drawn up asking to be paroled. After only a dozen years in prison for the murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca and conspiracy to commit the five killings at the Tate house the previous night, Van Houten was hoping for release. Her lawyer and parents managed to gather a few thousand signatures not unlike Pamela Smart has

Well Prometheus - you've got me there - I didnt know about that. I just haven't seen Pamela in the same light as Manson and his crew.

Really Prometheus, come on - you're ok with FLynn walking the streets??? A person so stupid and so weak he was capable of KILLING someone execution style??? Just because some girl told him to??? Man - thats hard for me to believe. I hope fate doesnt bring him near where I live - Id have a real problem with that.

No, not pressing so hard to have her freed. Just enjoying opinions and conversations. I see Im in the minority here but i still like the debates. Its the beauty of the USA - we can all express how we feel.

Lastly - can you really say Pamela hasnt changed???? Did you watch any of that 91 trial???? Have you seen any recent videos of her???? Night and day if you ask me. 2 completely different people. If I was still sensing the 22 year old Pam Smart in todays version of her - believe me - I never would have wrote a word in support of her.

[–] prometheus1816 10 years ago

Really Prometheus, come on - you're ok with FLynn walking the streets??? A person so stupid and so weak he was capable of KILLING someone execution style??? Just because some girl told him to??? Man - thats hard for me to believe. I hope fate doesnt bring him near where I live - Id have a real problem with that.

A person who unlike Pamela has learned and has reformed. Unlike Pamela I doubt he'd be susceptible to another's influences.

No, not pressing so hard to have her freed. Just enjoying opinions and conversations. I see Im in the minority here but i still like the debates. Its the beauty of the USA - we can all express how we feel.

Debate: Yes. Debate over something so insane as allowing this woman her freedom after what she did: Ridiculous.

Lastly - can you really say Pamela hasnt changed???? Did you watch any of that 91 trial???? Have you seen any recent videos of her???? Night and day if you ask me. 2 completely different people. If I was still sensing the 22 year old Pam Smart in todays version of her - believe me - I never would have wrote a word in support of her.

Miss Van Houten possess a degree of personal charm that is very convincing. The obvious question of whether the represents true emotional change and a restructuring of her personality, or of someone who is so smooth in their manipulation that they are barely perceptable. - Dr. McDonald, psychiatrist of Leslie Van Houten in her last bid for parole.

The above statement comes from the psychiatric report created by the psychiatrist for convicted Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten. Even he has said some 40+ years after the event states he still does not believe Van Houten's change is real. He in as much stated her 'show' as it were is for the public view, however, he believes her demeanor is so smooth and manipulative as it's barely perceptible. Meaning, you cannot see it. Further conspiracy to commit murder holds the same consequence as murder. There is no delineation between the two. To me, Pamela has failed to gain complete insight into what she did by not even admitting to her crime. If she'd just admit it and allow that part of her brain to actually say she did have a part, I think people would feel at least a bit easier. Instead she continues to say, "Oh no. I didn't do anything except have this sexual thing with Flynn. If I hadn't done that Gregg would still be alive today." Wrong! She wanted that man dead. End of story. No guilt. No remorse. No freedom. And I agree that Dr. McDonald's report on Leslie Van Houten is true of Pamela Smart.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Good morning Prometheus: time for my Pam smart fix, lol. Lets see what weve got today.

I will never in a million years agree with you regarding Flynn. ANyone that is capable of that kind of crime, regardless of his age and regardless of his successful prison record - is bad news. Maybe he has reformed, maybe not - kid just might be a good BSer - who knows????? What we do know is he is capable of standing behind someone, sticking a gun to their head, and pulling the trigger. I dont want someone like that anywhere near me.

Ok, I see you are comparing Van Houten with Pam. thats fine and understandable. However, must say - Pams biggest supporter is also a doctor - Dr. Eleanor Pam is her name. Now, Dr Pam is not a shrink, she a academian. SHe helped Pamela to attain her two masters degrees. Dr. Pam is 1000% behind Pamela. She completely believes in Pamelas total innocence. Now we know I certainly dont believe in Pams innocence. ANd I must say, one thing that bothered me a bit during the Captivated documentary is some of Pamelas weak arguments:

1. Well, I couldn't afford the 15,000 to have the tapes analyzed. Please Pam!!! You couldn't find 15 grand to save your life??? As intelligent and resourceful as you are??? Total BS!!!

2. On that part of the tape I was talking about the affair and trying to get information out of Cecilia. Please Pamela!!! If that was the case why did you mention JR and pete??? Total BS!!!

SO, yeah, a bit bothered by some of PAms BS. However, here is the way I see it. What else can she do at this point????? Shes been lying about her innocence for 24 years now. SHes trying to get out of jail. How is owning up at this point going to help her get out??? So, she continues with her lie. I dont see that she has a choice. So, even though I dont care for her BS - I kind of understand it.

Now even with all of that said - it still brings us back to square one. Pam manipulated that boy - she coerced him into killing her husband. No doubt about it - but 24 years is enough!!!

[–] hoodahthunkett 10 years ago

Trust me when I tell you this Todd.....

If she murdered one of your family members, 24 years of incarceration wouldn't be enough.

[–] prometheus1816 10 years ago

Trust me when I tell you this Todd.....

If she murdered one of your family members, 24 years of incarceration wouldn't be enough.

Precisely. It always amazes me when people latch onto so-called (quote)causes(unquote) like these. Excusing the inexcusable in terms of this whack nut Pamela Wojas. She doesn't even deserve to keep the Smart name. This is no different than someone latching onto a Manson family member and trying to convince the world he/she has changed. Ridiculous.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

I appreciate what you say hoodah and certainly it would be tough to forgive if it was one of my own. I would like to think I could find some sensitivity towards Pam. I would think, she was young, stupid, prodded some idiot to kill - but then I would think - it wasnt her that pulled the trigger - she didnt kill one of my own. I might be able to find some forgiveness for her - who knows. FLynn on the other hand, never. Id never go for what is happening with him now. Im surprised Greg Smarts brother isnt campaigning on the front lawn of the Maine prison where Flynn resides. If it was me Id be out there every day screaming about the fact that he is only half incarcerated at this point (hes on work release and has applied for weekend furloughs).

[–] prometheus1816 10 years ago

but 24 years is enough!!

And it's for this reason alone, you and I have come to the end of our discourse. I cannot continue a discussion with someone who at the end will continue to berate this bit of idiocy. Have a good life Todd. Let's hope Pamela doesn't get out and come after one of yours. Bet you'll be singing a different tune then.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] toddjacobucci2002 10 years ago

Oh, too bad prometheus. i was enjoying your willful debates. Hey best of luck to you in all you do!!!

[–] EmilMuzz 10 years ago

I remember this trial from day one. I was actually in Derry NH (driver's ed) the night of the murder. I remember the police cars all whizzing by and then getting home and seeing the WMUR report of a murder happening in town. The whole publicity thing was a bit perplexing to me.

Pam Smart seems to be the exact same person now as she was 20 years ago. She's of above average intelligence, a sociopath and she had an innocent man murdered. Her motive for murdering him was for her own selfish enjoyment of life. She has shown no regret or remorse for what she did. I still consider a danger to society and see no reason for her to be released. And no NH governor or politician would be stupid enough to let her loose.

- or so the Germans would have us believe...

[–] Hollywoodwhore99 10 years ago

First of all she is guilty of having sex with a minor.
Her excuses (on the interview) were obvious lies.
A man is dead because of her! Case Closed!