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Ludicrous that this was nominated for Best Picture


Black privilege gone insane.

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It was a well made, popular, crowd pleasing film. There have been worse films nominated for best picture in the past. I don't think it had anything to do with what you call "black privilege."

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There is no way this would've been nominated if the racial connotations weren't there. And we all know the primary reason it made a lot of money.

There have been worse films nominated for best picture in the past.


That would be an incredibly short list.

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Films that have been nominated for best picture that are not as good as Black Panther:

Cimarron
Cavalcade
The Little Foxes
The Greatest Show on Earth
Marty
Around the World in 80 Days
Tom Jones
Rachel, Rachel
Five Easy Pieces
The Sting
Rocky
Breaking Away
Ordinary People
Chariots of Fire
Out of Africa
Prizzi's Honor
Dead Poets Society
Four Weddings and a Funeral
Quiz Show
Babe
Sense and Sensibility
The English Patient
Titanic
Good Will Hunting
Shakespeare in Love
The Green Mile
Lost in Translation
Seabiscuit
Ray
Slumdog Millionaire
The Hurt Locker
The Blind Side
Precious: Based on the Novel 'Push' by Sapphire
Winter's Bone
The Help
Argo
Roma

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Almost all of those movies are superior to Black Panther. I'm not going to go through all of them one by one but here's a few that made me laugh out loud -

The Green Mile


Laughable. The Green Mile is in another stratosphere to Black Panther.

Good Will Hunting


Lol.

Titanic


A 23 year old film and has better special effects than Black Panther. And a superior piece of film-making all round.

Rocky


Oh no you didn't.

I'd even take Babe over Black Panther, it's that generic and unremarkable. It does nothing particularly well and breaks no new ground.

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This "Black Privilege" thingy that you speak of isn't a casual thing or even actionable.

Just for giggles let's test a false negative. Are there movies that have won because of Hispanic, Asian or Jewish Privilege?

Is there a movie that has won because of Black Underprivilege?

I am just asking for a friend.šŸ˜Ž

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Everything surrounding this movie was racially motivated. Black people went to see this in droves because it was the first major production with a black cast/director. You could barely critique this movie without being accused of racism. Objectively this is a mid-tier Marvel movie.

Are there movies that have won because of Hispanic, Asian or Jewish Privilege?


I can't really think of any examples on the level of Black Panther.

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[ā€“] LiquidOcelot (902) 27 minutes ago
Everything surrounding this movie was racially motivated. Black people went to see this in droves because it was the first major production with a black cast/director.
You've moved the definitions, the terms and conditions from Black Privilege to Racially Motivated? Let's stay on point.

But I'll chime in on your new discussion point anyway. The nomination process and the popularity of the film are mutually exclusive. It is indeed a given that the POV of Black Panther was African-Centric such that most of the principal parties on this film were of African-descent. The finance funding and the source material though are not African dominant. The distribution chains, advertising and marketing were also definitely not African dominant, or to swap words, race specific dominant. None of those things accrue to or come from this alleged Black Privilege. šŸ˜•

As to popularity? The greatest portion of the consumers viewing Black Panther were not African / Black pre-dominant. There have been other productions that have been African-American/Black dominant (not major by budget mind you) that have gotten acclaim but did not come with this form of false pseudo intellectual racial "push-back". The Oscars don't normally reward films because they are popular or even fan favorites. The nomination process is also dependent on the Studio to "push" for that nomination.
You could barely critique this movie without being accused of racism.
This is another one of those demonstrably false talking points that only existed on the chat rooms such as this one. Again, what has this to do with Black Privilege?

Objectively this is a mid-tier Marvel movie.
You meant to say Subjectively and In Your Opinion Black Panther is a mid-tier Marvel movie. Here's your biggest problem. You're not a voting member of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences. You're not a member of a Film Society nor a professional Film critic.
Are there movies that have won because of Hispanic, Asian or Jewish Privilege?

"I can't really think of any examples on the level of Black Panther.

I was trying to lead you to:

Coco
Crazy Rich Asians
Shindler's List
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon

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The finance funding and the source material though are not African dominant. The distribution chains, advertising and marketing were also definitely not African dominant.


The primary financial beneficiaries will of course be the White/Jewish owned studios funding the movie but this is unbeknownst to the average viewer paying to see the movie to support the 'blackness' of the project. Irrelevant to the point I was making.

The greatest portion of the consumers viewing Black Panther were not African / Black pre-dominant.


Nobody said that, but a disproportionate amount of black people went to watch this movie in comparison to pretty much anything else. You take away the black audience and the box office gross is far less remarkable.

You meant to say Subjectively and In Your Opinion Black Panther is a mid-tier Marvel movie.


Nope, the aspects of the movie that can be judged objectively are worse than the top tier Marvel movies. The special effects and production values are a cut below the more lucrative Marvel franchises.

I was trying to lead you to:

Coco
Crazy Rich Asians
Shindler's List
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon


And you'd be leading me to irrelevant comparisons. Crazy Rich Asians was never nominated for Best Picture. And Schindler's List and Crouching Tiger are leagues above Black Panther. Schindler's List is directed by Spielberg who has been nominated both before and after this movie. It wasn't a pity nomination like Black Panther. Ditto with Crouching Tiger. Much like Parasite, it's just a good movie. It's not even a Hollywood movie or a racially motivated production like Black Panther where there's massive social pressure to recognize it.

Nice job on dancing around the points I was making and veering off into tedious irrelevance.

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The primary financial beneficiaries will of course be the White/Jewish owned studios funding the movie but this is unbeknownst to the average viewer paying to see the movie to support the 'blackness' of the project. Irrelevant to the point I was making.
You've yet to make a point or even form a consistent question. You started with this:
Ludicrous that this was nominated for Best Picture
posted 4 hours ago by LiquidOcelot (906)
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Black privilege gone insane.
Which morphed into this:
[ā€“] LiquidOcelot (906) 4 hours ago
There is no way this would've been nominated if the racial connotations weren't there. And we all know the primary reason it made a lot of money.
When asked to clarify you transitioned into this:
[ā€“] LiquidOcelot (906) 4 hours ago
Everything surrounding this movie was racially motivated. Black people went to see this in droves because it was the first major production with a black cast/director. You could barely critique this movie without being accused of racism. Objectively this is a mid-tier Marvel movie.

Black Privilege
Racial Connotations
Racially Motivated


There isn't a single thing that you have stated that is even remotely coherent outside of how you felt about, perceived events surrounding the film or understand the themes and or driving forces about the film. Every thing you've stated is primarily subjective and your opinion based on your limited knowledge and understanding.

1. Produce for me or show me some instances where Black Privilege has gone insane.
2. Where is the evidence of Racial Connotations generating a Nomination by Disney?
3. Might as well delineate the Racial Motivations surrounding the movie also. Care to provide some detail?

Animus and Pejorative. I surmise that you are projecting some type of Racial animus towards the film, the creation of the film and the relative success of the film. You've cast African-centric as a pejorative to be used to denigrate the film.

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The primary financial beneficiaries will of course be the White/Jewish owned studios funding the movie but this is unbeknownst to the average viewer paying to see the movie to support the 'blackness' of the project. Irrelevant to the point I was making.
You've yet to make a point or even form a consistent question. You started with this:
Ludicrous that this was nominated for Best Picture
posted 4 hours ago by LiquidOcelot (906)
10 replies | jump to latest
Black privilege gone insane.
Which morphed into this:
[ā€“] LiquidOcelot (906) 4 hours ago
There is no way this would've been nominated if the racial connotations weren't there. And we all know the primary reason it made a lot of money.
When asked to clarify you transitioned into this:
[ā€“] LiquidOcelot (906) 4 hours ago
Everything surrounding this movie was racially motivated. Black people went to see this in droves because it was the first major production with a black cast/director. You could barely critique this movie without being accused of racism. Objectively this is a mid-tier Marvel movie.

Black Privilege
Racial Connotations
Racially Motivated


If this isn't a clear cut case of severe autism I don't know what is. You seem to get easily confused by anything that doesn't follow a completely linear thought pattern. My condolences with you and your fragile brain.

Every thing you've stated is primarily subjective


Ah, hiding behind the old 'it's all subjective' cop-out because you don't have the ability to defend your stance. Newsflash buddy - almost everything on this website is subjective. If people only posted objective statements, nobody would come here. Every post would be as boring as yours.

Good job on avoiding every counter-argument to your nonsensical drivel though. The height of your bullshit being the irrelevant comparison to Crazy Rich Asians (which was never even nominated) and Schindler's List. Utter baloney.

Edit: looks like you've edited your post after the fact like the underhand little weasel that you are.

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You've created a very ugly post and line of reasoning. Feel free to denigrate me if it makes you feel better.
That seems to be your course of last resort.

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Its a marvel movie. Who cares?

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While I will somewhat agree that Black Panther isn't the type of film the academy normally nominates, I should remind you that Avatar, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Star Wars A New Hope were all nominated for best picture at the Oscars. I like Star Wars and Raiders but there was no way they were going to win best picture.

And there are worse decisions like Shakespear in Love winning best picture over Saving Private Ryan, Sean Connery winning for the Untouchables, Jack Palance winning for City Slickers, Tommy Lee Jones winning for the Fugitive, and Kim Bassinger winning for L.A Confidential.

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I should remind you that Avatar, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Star Wars A New Hope were all nominated for best picture at the Oscars. I like Star Wars and Raiders but there was no way they were going to win best picture.


That doesn't really help Black Panther's case at all. Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of the most iconic movies of all time. Star Wars is one of the most influential, ground-breaking, revolutionary movies ever made. The nomination was completely warranted. Even if you have a lesser opinion of it now, you have to judge it by 1977 standards. With Avatar you have a point I guess, I was surprised to see it nominated. But it's still a league above the likes of Black Panther.

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I LIKE BLACK PANTHER BUT HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOUR HEADING...NOT THE SENTENCE WITHIN THE POST.šŸ™‚

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Iā€™m no fan of this movie but plenty of worse films have been nominated over the years. Even among its own 2018 slate I only preferred The Favourite and BlacKkKlansman.

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Now that Black Panther: Wakanda Forever) is in the queue for release, will you resurrect your Black Privilege 2:(This time it's personal) crusade?

Please?

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Hey dickhead. How's your autism doing? Still get confused by non-linear thought patterns?

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You really want to go that way? Great - the ugliest person wins. Congrats.

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Who the hell are you? I think you've got your many accounts confused loser.

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