How long are people going to stay bitter?
It's been almost a year and there's still frothing at the mouth over how well this movie did.
shareI guess they think BP's success is manufactured, undeserved or "Fake News"?
shareDisney are the worst offenders with every one of their straight up average Star Wars and Marvel films being hailed as "the best in the franchise". It feels like store bought praise. Never watched a single MCU movie since Winter Soldier, the perfect note to end on.
shareNot saying it was a bad movie but much like Wonder woman it definitely didn't deserve the massive amount of accolades it got.The extreme hype for this movie stems more from the race of the cast than the film itself.I really enjoyed it but lets be honest.It was no better or worse than most other MCU movies.
shareWhy do people use the "but lets be honest" phrase? Without that does it mean you are lying or you feel that everyone else that you can't speak for is lying?
The extreme hype for this movie stems more from the race of the cast than the film itself. I really enjoyed it but lets be honest. It was no better or worse than most other MCU movies.There is NO way that extreme hype alone could have propelled BP or any movie to such lofty financial achievements, or reviews, or industry accolades.
Maybe BP didn't meet your expectations but who knows what your expectation was or were going in to the movie. How does the Race of the cast drive that many eyeballs into seats in a theater? it wasn't like there has never been an all black cast in a movie before. Do you honestly think that Meteor Man, by and Starring Robert Townsend and a predominately Black cast, if hyped by Disney, would have generated $700 Million in domestic dollars?
Star Wars: A New Hope was a Cultural Game changer in two lanes. Lane #1 the technology used and Lane #2 the audience it was directed towards. Did you know that SW Ep#4 won 6 Oscars?: Best Art Direction-Set Decoration, Best Costume Design, Best Sound, Best Film Editing, Best Effects (Visual Effects), and Best Music (Original Score). In addition, Ben Burtt got a Special Achievement Academy Award for Sound Effects. The film did not win Best Picture or Best Script, as it was nominated for, nor did George Lucas win the Best Director. Likewise, Alec Guinness failed to win Best Supporting Actor after his nomination.
The point? The whole theme of BP was this Afro-Futurism and unapologetically African POV that had a mesmerizing visual impact and historical impact on many audiences. Star Wars if you boiled it down was a (Western) Space Cowboy soap opera. BP addressed a real world issue in a creative and entertaining way that is/was totally unconventional for a seemingly traditional Comic Book movie.
Some people felt, "What's the big deal?" Some said, "I don't get?!"
Some audiences wanted the whiz, bang, biff, pow of Super Hero movies and eye rolled when they saw the cast as being mostly African.
What was the appeal of BP? It was different, had a different POV that was well written, well acted, well crafted and delivered subtlety. BP had a very focused vision and told a story masterfully.
Was T'Challa a force to be reckoned with as the lead and the hero? No. For some that was strike against the movie. For others it was intentionally done. Chadwick was directed and acted against the grain of the now traditional Hero trope. Leaders make different decisions and lead differently than warriors.
There is a single line in BP that should have hit home for everyone, that was delivered by Eric Killmonger: “Bury me in the ocean, with my ancestors that jumped from the ships, because they knew death was better than bondage.”
That line doesn't evoke an imagery for all audiences that saw BP. But for a large swath of people on this earth should have started a discussion, which it did. BP the movie had an impact on people and not just because it was acted and directed by Africans and people of African descent.
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Well spoken but agree to disagree.IMO this movie was extremely over hyped because of the race of the cast just as Wonder woman was extremely over hyped up because of the gender of the hero.Really liked both movies but they were just above average superhero/action flicks.Nothing more.Black Panther may of had a deeper message that resonated with certain audiences but i don't judge movies based on the statements and ideals they want to represent.I judge movies based on how good they are.And it was no better or worse than most other MCU movies.
"Do you honestly think that Meteor Man, by and Starring Robert Townsend and a predominately Black cast, if hyped by Disney would have generated $700 Million in domestic dollars?"
Apples and oranges.Comparing Meteor man to Black Panther is like comparing Mac and me to Close encounters of the 3rd kind.Black Panther had the fact that it was a good movie on it's side.
You are ignoring the zeitgeist of this current time, non-existent during meteor man's time plus that movie was presumably below average without the higher production value. It was aided by being a part of the highly overrated 'MCU' universe or whatever it's called. I predicted that Wonder Woman, a film I liked, would be aided as well due to the current climate and it certainly was. There's never been a better time for movie goers and critics to virtue signal. Just open your eyes and see how quickly people are placing narratives on various 'viral videos' that they claim shows racism with zero evidence of such.
shareZeitgeist and Virtue-Signaling are now the apparent counter to the alleged evils of Diversity, Affirmative Action, SJW, MeToo, BLM, Political Correctness, Reverse Racism, or White Nationalism that is apparently strangling the meritocracy and fairness of the world?
Just open your eyes and see how quickly people are placing narratives on various 'viral videos' that they claim shows racism with zero evidence of such.You have nothing in the way of empirical or anecdotal data/evidence that during the time of Meteor Man that this country was or wasn't going through incremental social and political change.
Unbeknownst to you it has. The only thing different about the time of Meteor Man (1993) and Black Panther (2018) is that the term Virtue Signal wasn't being used. Do you even know what the Phrase means and how it is being used?
Was there Virtue Signaling during the time of "Reconstruction" after the Civil War?
As societies get more inclusive why is it that certain groups start to feel angst? Why is it that standards, mores, norms are suddenly questioned when society begins to expand? If a vast majority of people judge something to be subjectively a certain way why is it that suddenly man made rules need to readjusted?
You don't have change without resistance.
Black Panther exists within the time and the era that it is being measured, judged, graded, consumed and discussed. Should Babe Ruth get an asterisk by his name because his records weren't attained when a large pool or talent was systematically prevented from playing that game? Was there Virtue Signaling back then? What was the Zeitgeist of that time? What was the Group Think then? share
Don't twist my words around, how the hell did I say there wasn't "incremental social and political change"? That's just a strawman. I think you know good and well that was a different time with different perceptions and focus. It now has become extremely popular to push media with so-called marginalized groups as superior, as well as attach narratives to every scenario involving a 'person of color' as the victim without evidence.
Virtue Signaling:
" the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue. "it's noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things"
How am I using it here? Because promoting average movies like Black Panther and Get Out as Oscar caliber since they include the right 'social themes' is a way for the academy to declare to the world that they are not only 'hip' and don't only reward only 'boring artsy films that no one wants to see', but that they are also 'down' with the 'art' of black people after being directly criticized for it by Will Smith and his wife in previous years.
Your statements make you sound like you weren't around in the 90's, otherwise you wouldn't say something so stupid. Half of 90's movies have scenes that would spark protests today, including children's films. I think Meteor Man would be better received today, as long as it wasn't so stupid as to be insulting.
"As societies get more inclusive why is it that certain groups start to feel angst?"
Okay so what you're saying is that you ADMIT that there has been a shift, and that the Oscars are addressing this "angst" by nominating average pop movies for Oscars when they include the right themes (otherwise why are you even saying this?). I agree. It's one thing to include more pop movies in the Oscars but another to use racism to select them. Sorry, I know nothing about sports.