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Gets nominated for Golden Globes: Best Motion Picture - Drama.


Is this is friggin joke? I seriously can't believe how far the standard has fallen lately.

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Uhm excuse me?! Just because the cast is black it shouldn´t be nominated or what?!
Are you a racist or something?
OR WORSE A TRUMP SUPPORTER?!?!

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You are the racist here. First of all, I am not white or American.
Secondly, if I hate a movie its not because of the color of skin of the actors. Seems you are in love with BP just because it has a majority of black cast.

I don't understand why can't people talk about BP without bringing in the "RACE" angle.

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r/woooosh

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GTFOH w/ur BS

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People can't talk about BP without bringing race into it because if they were being honest about the movie they would have to admit that it wasn't that great of a movie. It only got where it was at the box office by playing the race angle to the nth degree. Maybe in a few years people will be honest and admit that it really wasn't that great of a movie.

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Wow, that was quite surprising.

I mean, the Black Panther nomination... that's kind of predictable. But somebody who still believes that American cinema industry is a serious industry instead of a ludicrous source of jokes and memes? That was unexpected XDDD

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I would understand nominations in technical categories. But selection for best drama is outrageous.

Well, no film industry is serious for that matter. It's cinema which generally tries to entertain. Good and bad is something that we pick.

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I agree. I do not think it will win Best Picture.

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Oh boy. That's quite a stretch. Very average(at best) movie imo.

I guess it's not as bad as 'Get Out' winning an oscar for best original screenplay when it was an obvious ripoff of The Skeleton Key. Good movie, but I couldn't help but laugh and shake my head when it won.

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It's a fine movie, and I'm glad to see the CBM genre finally get some respect during awards season!

It really does annoy me that the people who hand out awards only think certain genres are worthy of awards. Why is a boring drama intrinsically considered worthier of awards than a movie that includes superpowers? It shouldn't be, and the same goes for comedies, an ill mates films, sci-fi, etc. A terrific movie is a terrific movie.

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"A terrific movie is a terrific movie"

Well that's true and this aint one of 'em IMO.

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I absolutely loved it, it was an exciting and visually gorgeous film, with a point and a heart. Excellent entertainment!

I don't insist that you agree that it's terrific, of course, but I do mildly pity you if you didn't have any fun while watching it. Fun is good.

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I mildly pity you the same way for having fun with BP while theres a lot of better stuff out there. Fun can be a lot better ;-)

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I disagree with you there, in the most general and philosophical way.

Life on this Earth is full of danger, heartbreak, tragedy, and annoyances, and I'm all for taking all the harmless fun you can while you're alive. I'm all for enjoying the little things, the big things, and the silly movies, and never worrying about what other people think of your taste or holding back on enjoying something because you think you deserve something better. Enjoy the moment while it's there!

And to back that up my assertion that shameless enjoyment is the way to live, I will now admit that I, a well-educated middle-aged professional, thoroughly enjoyed "Paddington 2".

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Paddington 2 is something I can agree with. It was pretty awesome if you ask me .

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Paddington 2? Such non-sense. They should've nominated Pacific Rim Uprising. The drama was so dramatic. Should've been best picture too. Anyway, they need to fill quotas remember? If not, a certain group will whine and complain like usual. I'm semi-surprised First Man didn't make the list.

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What a travesty.

Not only is it far from best *anything*, even in the superhero genre, how is this a *drama*??

I can only hope it's not nominated for Best Picture Oscar, because that would be just sad...

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What’s truly sad is those claiming that things have gone downhill because a very well-made and culturally significantly film - that happens to be part of the comic genre - is being embraced by the awards crowd like no comic fil has been in probably 10 years.

Win or lose an award, the denouners of this film will complain no matter what. If it being nominated for major awards makes them lose their minds, then I can only imagine how the “reasonable” haters will react if it were to actually win an Oscar. What’s funny is, an overwhelming number of these people expressing outrage over all the love Black Panther is getting couldn’t care less about Hollywood and their award shows. They hate everything about it. However, because they have a clear agenda against this film (and any Hollywood film that “pats itself on the back” for trying to give a voice to others), they pretend to give a damn over what gets nominated or not. But its cultural impact aside, how dare these kind of awards nominate critical hits like Black Panther that were met enthusiastically by movie audiences in general and not just narrow-minded cinephiles? It’s a travesty indeed. :\

Black Panther may or may not change things for the comic genre. Either way, I think it’s cool that a movie like this - whether it’s inferior or superior to other movies of its kind notwithstanding - is being recognized this way. I would ask in all seriousness what the big f’n deal that it’s getting this much attention... but this is the internet after all.

Anyway, expressing your lukewarm response to critically acclaimed and game-changing movies like Spider-Verse and now Black Panther? I don’t want to be too assuming here, although I’m noticing a pattern. Say I’m reaching, but after unfortunately looking at many of the negative and racially-charged posts on this board, it’s hard not to think these things. Slam Hollywood. Slam the politics. Slam this movie altogether. All the whining from “open-minded” ghouls like the OP won’t change how Black Panther (and any upcoming “social justice” comic film) was met with so much praise by critics and audiences alike.

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tl;dr

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And for what it's worth, there are plenty of all-white movies I was not impressed with either.
I don't evaluate movies based on the race of the cast, I evaluate them based on artistic merit.
You want to make it about race - that's your prerogative.

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I think we maybe agree to disagree. Eh? It’s evident many calling this film overrated believe it’s only being handed this much praise because of its black cast and modern Hollywood “unfortunately” not trying to be as uh, traditional, as it used to be back in the manly days. If BP has indeed been given extra reverence due to its cast and themes, well to that I say... so? It is significant. Besides, is it so surprising that yet another critically acclaimed MCU film (and one that looked like no other that came before it) was singled out this way? Despite there being no shortage of people finding this film to be mediocre or decent, the reality is BP was an impressive film in the eyes of many. With that in mind, if BL had been released to middling reviews (“it wouldn’t have happened because there would’ve been outrage if most critics didn’t love it” is what some will argue), then I would absolutely agree that it had no business being nominated for a lot of these prestigious awards. But no matter how I myself feel about the film, I can’t argue with its impact and success.

Yes, it’s a fact that this film was a critical darling. It is also a fact that audiences loved it. And sure, another fact is BP has its detractors - many whom believe the movie wouldn’t have gotten “special treatment” had the cast been more like the casts you see in most blockbusters. Bottom line... while you and others see an average movie at best, generally speaking this was regarded as a great film for reasons other than its cast and “agenda”; you can find countless reviews where you’ll see its technical aspects being lauded. As such, it can be said that a number of people considered BP special by default because of its predominantly “colored” cast. But what is genuinely so bad and sad about that when the movie ended up exceeding expectations and was able to resonate with people? Were more deserving films shunned? Are all comic films, regardless of how crowd-pleasing and well-crafted they are, simply unworthy of being nominated for “real” film awards? Ahh...

I don’t see Black Panther as the MCU’s finest or even the best Marvel film of 2018. Still, as far as I’m concerned it’s a quality film and it’s good knowing that the most popular movie genre out there is getting some love in awards season. And FYI there is nothing wrong with finding this to be an overrated film. But the only thing that’s been way more overblown than BP’s praise, is all the immeasurable criticism (so much of it is shallow) surrounding the film.

It’s these kind of posts and arguments that always make me think of Thor: “You people are so... petty!”

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You said it yourself, but don't see the problem. A film shouldn't get praise for cultural significance,only praise for the quality of the final product. If a strong cultural significance is the byproduct of a well made movie, that's great, but the cultural significance in itself DOESN'T make it a well made movie.

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The reason it's Drama is because the only other choice is Comedy. That's all they had 2500 years ago in Greece.

Why haven't they added more? Because film critics are elitist bastards that don't want to recognize popular modern genres!

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BP was a good drama. It wasn't your basic beat-em up. Coogler understood the conflict of having a technological Wakanda exist during the slave trade as well as existing today and made that the center of the story.

Problem is so many people assume "oh it's a comic book movie so any dramatic undertones they bring up don't count." As a drama it hit the mark. As an action beat-em-up it fell short with the final battle.

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Sadly, for me it fell short at both the things. It was less than a mediocre action flick. And I never ever felt it focussed on the race angle that a lot of people are so gung ho about. Whats the big deal in having a predominanaly all black cast?

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Why does there have to be a big deal about having a predominantly all black cast? I feel a black superhero has been a long time coming that many Americans have been waiting for, but the black cast was merely there to bring the story to life rather than serve a superficial purpose.

Like with most movies, the drama is only there if you care about the stories. If you were there to see a comic book actioner that we got with Civil War then you were setting yourself up for disappointment. That's not Coogler's style.

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I care about the story, and there was none. That's why I am disappointed. Coogler's previous 2 were good. Fruitvale Station was a beautiful movie. But was BP crap IMO. I am not sure what story you found in there.
I really don't frigging care if the hero is black, white, yellow, shemale, trans or a ladyboy. For me the content matters. But you looked at only the skin it seems.

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You have issues, man. Good luck with that.

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You do realize this wasn't the first time they made movie with a black super hero right? When was Spawn released what 1997? What about Blade, Steel, Blankman or Meteor Man... This wasn't ground breaking.

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Nah, it wasn't ground breaking. But GG picks seldom are. It could be years in between before we finally see something ground breaking. Blade, Steel, Spawn, Blankman and Meteor Man were from the 90s and it's 2018. Blade kinda hit the mark, but the rest did not. So I stand by what I said that it's been something that was a long time coming that Americans have been waiting for. Or should I have said primarily black Americans along with many non-black Americans?

Either way, the issue isn't that BP was ground breaking or wasn't. The issue is whether its drama holds up to the likes of Bohemian Rhapsody and A Star is Born, etc. Those three were the only ones I saw from GG's nominees, and I didn't see any excellent drama out of any of them.

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Where did you get that in the movie, that Wakanda already was technologically advanced during the slave trade?

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It was to be expected that this movie would be at least recognised in some way.

I actually tried to watch it twice, but I didn't bother to get to the end. IMO it's the most overrated movie of the last 20 years. It is boring; it is convoluted; for an action movie lacks action; for a supposed cultural milestone it lacks any real world relevance; the CGI is really bad and is badly shot.

I'm sick and tired of modern moral blackmail. A bad movie is a bad movie, doesen't matter if it has an all black cast. But what can you do? Anyway, awards mean nothing if you stop to think about it, it's just a bunch of people that push their own biases.

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You nailed it. It doesn't help that Hollywood has sort of a collective bias itself.

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While I agree with most of what you say, just do yourself a favor and don't repeat that in public there are so many damned SJW running around you'll likely get tarred and feathered by these self proclaimed diversity police and branded a racist... god knows you must be a racist if you ever find fault in a black movie.

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