Rotten Tomatoes Score of 100%...is it skewed? - Black Panther (2018) Discussion

[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Well, if you take away negative reviews, obviously the 100% remaining is... positive.

Though not sure very reliable as a review system. Indeed, every movie from Uwe Boll has a 100% positive reviews... provided you take away negative reviews XDDDDDD

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[–] bjensen4 (1281) 6 years ago

I don't think Uwe Boll has ever had a positive anything :D

And there's a blast from bad movie past.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

At least they had 1 positive review, he's very proud of his movies .

So, you take away negative reviews... that one makes 100% positive reviews XDDD

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[–] FilmBuff (6680) 6 years ago

RT said they'd try to filter out fake audience scores, not critic's reviews. As always, they aggregate every critic's review into one score. So far, it seems only 55 critics have weighed in, and all 55 have rated the film favorably.

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

This ^

Also, even among "Top Critics" there are only 15 reviews... Let's see what happens in a week or so once more critics get their reviews in..

As for the audience score, who knows what it will end up like... Between the Marvel fanbois, the pre-triggered haters who have yet to see the movie (look at the posts in this site), the social justice folks and, finally, the causal movie goer it is anyone's guess, but is likely to be less than 100% simply due to sample size 😂 ... and that is before any potential "adjustments" by RottenTomatoes as is suggested in the OP...

None of it matters though... The movie will ultimately stand on it's own merit as a movie, as entertainment and as a product, which these kinds of movies are...

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[–] FilmBuff (6680) 6 years ago

Generally speaking, the critic's score is fairly representative of the quality of the film. That isn't to say I *always* agree with it, and I've seen many films I thought were far better or worse than the "fresh" score, but I can nearly always understand what the critics saw that lead to it achieving the rating it did. The audience score is almost meaningless. It's easy for a group to hijack it and push it higher or lower to achieve some preset agenda.

As an aside, I wonder if MoviePass has, or will introduce, a variant on Amazon's "verified purchase" review. MoviePass can verify that a person bought a ticket to a given movie, so only allowing a user to rate a movie he's seen (or at least paid for a ticket to see) will produce a more believable score.

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

It's interesting to see how the quantification of movie assessments will develop... I'm sure the streaming platforms (Netflix, AmazonPrime, iTunes, etc..) have their own internal datasets to process... It'll also be interesting to see how film producers, fans and others try to game these systems..

I prefer the subjective qualitative assessments... recommendations from friends, etc... I read critic reviews, often after I've seen the movie, to gain insight about how other people experienced it, what they think the context is and, for the better reviewers, usually end up knowing about another movie or two that is related in theme, subject or genre...

I tend to watch a lot of movies by filmmakers or actors I find interesting without checking out the ratings or reviews...Without seeing trailers... It's nice to experience movies without having expectations anchored by these things...

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[–] TwistedAcrobat (1725) 6 years ago

All movies start with a 100%. Then they come down and stabilize.

"but how many of the positive scores are from people who are in fear of being branded a racist and having their careers as a movie reviewer ruined?"

That's an excellent question and in line with WW and Ghostbuster's reviews as well.

Both movies not worth shit, both got praised by critics.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I thought WW was the best DC movie thus far since MOS came out...and that isn't saying much.

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[–] TwistedAcrobat (1725) 6 years ago

Indeed WW was the best DCEU had to offer, but it was so little.

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[–] NorrinRad (5008) 6 years ago

Name me one so called "Black" movie that has a 100% score and that reviewers/critics were unable to give their review because they were told they would be called "Racist".

Show me were '12 years a Slave' got 100%?

How about 'Django Unchained', did it get 100%?

Maybe the remake of Death at a Funeral got that manufactured 100% with negative reviewers being shouted down?

Let's hunt down the Disney paid reviewers/critics as well as offer Go-Fund-Mes to support the critics who were called racist and lost their jobs for trying to be honest.

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[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 6 years ago

obvisiously the 100% after 64 reviews is impressive....

But what is the BIG Stunner here is the average score so far....

Black Panther has an 8.6/10....

thats Near The Dark Knight and Ahead of Spider-Man 2....

what this means is Reviews arent just good or slightly above average....It means the reviews are all Very POsitive reviews...with most giving the film either 4/5....B+ to A....or 8,9/10...

there are at least another 150 reviews left to go...I doubt the Average With Stay at 8.6/10 but at the piont it looks like its going to end up WAY above 8.0/10....Which indicates Reviews are Overwhelming positive not just "Fresh"

for example....The Avengers got a 92% on RT....its average score was 8/10....Iron Man got a 94%....its Average score was 7.7/10

GOTG,Doctor Strrange,Civil War,Winter Soldier,Spiderman HC all got over 90% on RT....but NONE had an average score higher than 7.7/10...

Black Panther Having An average score on 8.6/10 after 64 reviews is the BIG NEWS here....it indicates Reviews are extremely positive not just "Fresh"

I expect Black Panther to probably end between 8.2 and 8.4 Which Will be Huge and Clear proof the quality of this film is very good....

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

Perhaps the proof that the film is good is for us to watch it an see for ourselves 😉

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[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 6 years ago

Perhaps the proof that the film is good is for us to watch it an see for ourselves 😉
^^^

no thats your own opinion....if you watch the movie and like or dislike, its PROVES nothing...its just your opinion...

but When a movie comes out to universal praise and extremely high scores by the Overwhelming majority....thats proof its A good film....Its doesnt mean YOU Have to like it or agree but it does Proves the overwhelmingly majority of people that saw the film Clearly liked it....which results in You, Me or anyone else being able to say "Black Panther is a Great film" based on the Majority consensus....

there is not one thing wrong about the statement I made....I would not have said if the facts didnt back it up....Based on The Extremely positive reviews of both Metacritic and RT, Based on the high average RT score, based on Thousands of reactions from The World Premiere, Its is Clear and Undeniable Black Panther is Considered a very Good movie by almost 9 out of every 10 people that view the movie....again you dont have to agree, if you watch the film and dont like it, thats fine, but at this point, You would be in The MINORITY...If you watch the film and dont like it, it does nothing to change the fact that based on ALL DATA Black Panther is clearly a Good to Great Movie....

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[–] THX1138 (34) 6 years ago

Movie critics aren't a random sample. They are a certain kind of person whose politics tend to be on the left therefore they are susceptible to correct political messages, and they have other agendas that bias their opinion that is characteristic to them as a group. I don't trust the reaction from premieres either. Those people are just grateful to the studio for being at the premiere so they give good a reaction. You have to wait until a lot more moviegoers see the movie to get a good idea of whether its really good or not. I actually think it takes years looking back to know for sure.

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

I'm not disputing your stats abilities 👍... That is not my point...

Watching film is a subjective experience... Like dreaming or falling in love... I reject the idea that statistics about popularity, agreeability and such have any bearing on our appreciation of film... or art in general... 😎 This is a key departure from one another in terms of rationale.. I don't buy the premise that a film can be graded...

Films are a way for artists to communicate with an audience, to impart their sensiblity... The audience see it subjectively as it watches the film and as it reflects on it afterwards... The idea that internet consumer reports aggregator sites can tell us what this means is absurd to my mind...

Can we really reduce the experience of watching Starship Troopers, Lawrence of Arabia and Black Swan to a number? 🤔

How does one statistics their last dream? 😉

What do we learn as filmgoers from Dunkirk, La La Land and There Will Be Blood having the same 8.1 IMDB rating? Does it tell us anything meaningful about the experience of seeing these in theatre? Of how and what they make us feel and what we think about them... Hardly... Do stats describe the eerieness of a Polanski movie?

My point is to know, for real, what Black Panther is really like, we should see it for ourselves... Anything else is an approximation and ratings aggregators are a poor substitute... no matter how objective (or not) they may be... 👍

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[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 6 years ago

I somewhat agree with what your saying....

I agree film is completely subjective....no film will ever be 100% loved or hated....

everyone has their own opinion....

Its extremely hard to GRADE a film...If you dont want to, that fine...

as for me, IMO the best way to Grade a film or JUDGE a film is based on the Majority consensus....

for the most part throughout history if A Film, is Universally Liked by Majority, rather that be From Critics, Audiences or Fans, that goes on to Prove that A Film is High Quality or Good

it doesnt mean Everyone Will 100% agree or like the film...But when you have a Film Get great reviews and High scores on almost all Sites, that film usually goes to to be considered a Good to Great film...

and With that being said, I'm not stating that These Stats mean if you dislike A highly Praised Film you are Wrong....

I'm just stating that IMO The Majority consensus is best way to judge or Grade a movie.

for example.The Dark Knight is A Universally Praised Film in almost every way., All Data points to The Dark Knight being A Great Film.

based on this Data, I have no Problem stating as Fact The Dark Knight is a Great Film(I feel The Facts 100% back me up on that statement)...But If you cam back and told me, You hate the film and disagree, I would NOT TELL YOU you are wrong, I would just say, Well thats your opinion and your entitled ito it

but for me where the problem comes in, is most people dont do that, most cant just give "Their Opinion", Instead most people try to make their opinio the "end all be all".
Most people Will say "Nope The Dark Knight is awful, I dont care what everyone else says, they are wrong"

basically if all data points to that film being Good to great, then IMO thats the consensus, But I dont tell anyone they are wrong if There "Opinion" differs from that Consensus, UNLESS they try to completely IGNORE the consensus and say "Nope everyone else is wrong + Im Right"

so there for, I have no problem saying Black Panth

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[–] billbrown7071 (3193) 6 years ago

so there for, I have no problem saying Black Panther is considered to be a good to Great Film....I dont need to see Black Panther to say that....Because My Opinion doesnt change those facts...

If I see Black Panther and Dont like it, that Will just be my opinion, It wont change the fact that the overwhelming Majority clearly Like the film....

I'm not saying I or you should love the movie or agree Black Panther is Great because thats the consensus, I'm only stating the consensus is pretty clear at this point, and waited to see the film Does not change the consensus, If you like or dislike the film, at this point the Consensus is so overwhelming positive, Your opinion doesnt change anything.

I will be seeing the film...If I like it, I will be part of the overwhelming majority who clearly think this is a great film....If I dislike it, I will be part of A very small minority who disagree...

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

I agree with you for the most part and like your rational take on an objective assessment given the data we have to work with...

I just wanted to put things in a larger context.., I think you have done so as well 👍

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

I expect Black Panther to probably end between 8.2 and 8.4 Which Will be Huge and Clear proof the quality of this film is very good....

ahem....

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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[–] Renovatio (2990) 6 years ago

It's interesting as an observation of media, marketing and internet culture, but that's about it... 👍

As movie goers, we won't learn much from the results... Even weeks, or months from now... The ratings are even more meaningless than they were years ago... and they were meaningless then as rating movies is no way to assess art, neither is an aggregate of those ratings... This is a consumer reports style idea and is now politicised due to media, fanboism and internet culture...

We have a small window of oppotunity now and for a few years to actually discuss movies online, befoe AI bots become sophisticated enough to use message boards and post favourable comments and fight one another 😂... Lets use this opportunity to discuss the actual movies, rather than just the media circus around them and their ratings... 😎

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[–] THX1138 (34) 6 years ago

Its definitely because of the politics of not just race but also of feminism again with Im assuming female characters beating up big men. Left wing critics love that too.

Its also directed and written by a black guy. Thats even more reason for critics to overrate it.

Looking forward to this flopping overseas, especially in China.

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[–] 3840x2160 (359) 6 years ago

Now 99 and slipping.

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