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Tries to have it both ways


I can be down with total surrealistic weirdness, like Holy Motors or Lost Highway, that has no rational explanation. Or on the other hand, I'm always down for a good science fiction story. But this, I found ultimately unsatisfying, because it seemed to try to pretend that everything we were seeing was explainable through some kind of scientific gobbledygook, only there's just no way. You can't take an ampule and have your physical body disappear, and then come back years later and have a body again, complete with raggedy clothes...then disappear again.

I expected her to find in the "real" world that people were all lying on hospital beds or something, getting their sustenance and excretions taken care of through tubes and whatnot (sort of like the Matrix I guess). When they instead seem to indicate that people are crossing back and forth (especially this idea that they can go both ways) but have no physical bodies while on the "other side"...no, that just lost me.

Edited to add--Elizabeth Weitzman of the NY Daily News nails it:

The vividly hallucinatory visual elements, and starkly contrasted dual entities, are undeniably cool. They’re also, alas, so ill-conceived as to be meaningless. There’s no coherence in either world — or even a reasonable link between the two. Instead, both feel frustratingly half-developed. It’s as if Folman spent a fortune on the first draft of a script he wrote while he was high.

His efforts might best be characterized as an admirable disappointment. It’s not so hard to imagine that Hollywood would do anything possible to immortalize its moneymakers. And Folman’s attempts to make something out of this compelling concept are commendable — even if you’ll inevitably find yourself wondering how Spike Jonze or Charlie Kaufman might have better handled the subject matter.



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In a classic fable, Androcles permanently endears himself to a lion by pulling a thorn from the lion's paw, to Androcles' great benefit later on. Common sense tells us that an irritated lion would not submit to such ministering but we suppress that logic to focus on the theme of the story. The Congress is a modern fable, so we shouldn't expect realism. The message is what matters.

Elizabeth Weitzman's quoted text misses the message. This film isn't about Hollywood corporate greed as much as it's about our ability to make our own choices, and choices we think we're making but are actually made for us, and, most importantly, do we even want to make our own choices? If you've ever bought one of Steve Jobs' Apple products (he's "Reeve Bobs" in this film) then you've chosen to cede a lot of choice by locking yourself into Apple's tightly controlled product environment where they dictate exactly how your device shall function, and you're probably quite happy about it. In how many other ways, big and small, do we do that every day?

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I agree with your first paragraph.

And totally Off-topic:

I half agree with your second paragraph: there's no way in this world I'd buy an iPhone since, as you said, the device does everything for you and doesn't let you change anything. However, mac notebooks are a different story (you have more control over macs than you have over iPhones and such) and I'd choose Mac over PC any day of the year, never have I looked back since I changed to the dark side). Just needed to defend my beloved machine.

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LOL... fair enough! I really should have said "iPhones" rather than "Apple products" since I was thinking specifically about my beloved iPhone when I wrote that analogy. I've never owned a Mac computer so I'm not sure how much user control they offer, though I do find them frustratingly opaque whenever I try to troubleshoot problems by tweaking the settings on the Mac one of my coworkers uses. But that could just be down to my own ignorance about Macs.

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People disappear mentally but their bodies are still in the real world. Instead of being in hospital beds, they are being allowed to shuffle around in tattered clothes and vacant expressions, and are minimally supported by society. In their mental state they think they are eating well and are having fun."Crossing over" refers to where their mind is. I think usually people cross over in just one direction - into the animated world, and are pretty much stuck there; once in a while people cross back over to the real world. Their bodies are always in the real world and do not disappear.

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But we saw the real world, and there weren't hordes of raggedy people shuffling around.

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there weren't hordes of raggedy people shuffling around.


Yes... yes there were.

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Whatever you say.

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The instant she goes back to the 'real' world that's exactly what we see. Lines of people shuffling forward in tattered clothes with blank expressions.

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I too thought when she woke up it would look something like Matrix.

But I don't see any problem here. As I understand it, when they cross over, they are not talking about physically crossing over or teleporting or anything. Crossing over just means getting high.

And when they're walking on the ''real world'' streets, in their minds they're seeing their hallucination world.

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This is, to my understanding, how it is presented in the book. But although it has been too long now since I saw it to remember specifics, I do remember considering this at the time and finding too many details that contradicted it.

Okay, I do remember a couple, come to think of it (although I still feel there were many more).

(1) Where was she actually driving when she thought her car was surrounded by fantastical cartoon characters? And why didn't she end up in a wreck?

(2) It was said that her son crossed over and was therefore gone. Why couldn't she find him in the real world at least?

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I also saw (1) but I didn't give it importance. Films are subjective and just because they don't show something doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe she just parked somewhere and then started hallucinating how she crossed over while driving.

(2) Do they specifically say she couldn't find him physically? Even if she did find him among all those junkies (arduous task since he won't respond to any stimuli) what would she do then? If he had crossed over, his mind was gone. She wouldn't be able to talk with him or anything.

You may think it's far fetched and I won't deny it. But really, we have no proof of anything, just our interpretation. And they could either be a actual mistakes on the film makers' part or it could be something they left up to us to interpret. Add to that the fact that the movie involves hallucinogenic drugs and anything could be possible. Any weird far fetched theory is plausible. That's why I normally avoid this kind of movie, since they never give any answers, just questions and doubts.

What I mean is, you are right/wrong and I am right/wrong and so is everyone else.

However, I don't think these ''mistakes'' add or subtract from the movie and I don't think we should pay much attention to it. I think they are irrelevant to the director. But, again, I could be wrong and it might be essential to someone else's interpretation.

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(2) I think it would have actually been interesting to show her finding him in a junkie state. But they indicated this was not possible. Had she in fact found him that way, she should have been able to cross over and be with him.

I think a major problem, really, is that they abandoned the premise they established at the beginning. The idea of scanning actors and making movies without them is a really interesting one. But it was almost completely dropped, other than a few ads we saw in our peripheral vision.

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They didn't abandon the premise of scanning actors and making movies without those actors' physical participation. They built on that initial premise and extrapolated it to the general population, who undergo a next-generation form of scanning when they take the drug and stop participating in their physical lives.

When Robin Wright reluctantly agrees to be scanned it is an overt decision to give up her ability to choose how her likeness will be used, and in what movie roles. The rest of the film examines that concept of control vs abdication of personal choice. That's really what the film is about, beginning to end.

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But I'm saying the very specific premise they seemed to be setting up, when they showed her being scanned, could have been interesting to explore. Show us more of those movies and how they exploited actors' likenesses in bizarre and egregious ways. Continue to show us an "inside Hollywood" perspective. Etc. Instead, they took off to a totally different kind of reality.

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True, in fact it was a friend's description of that opening premise that got me interested to watch this movie. I was happy with where the story went, but I don't doubt they could have made a great movie on the scanning concept alone.

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For sure. Maybe someone will still make such a movie.

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