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Seriously ? ***Spoilers****


Ok so after 15 min of the movie and say 10 min after Vidya Balan presence in the movie I found out. 1. She is not pregnant 2. She is looking for killer who did that 'terrorist' attack for revenge 3. And all other characters will play along.

I mean these days some pseudo intellectual from bollywood starts to think, lets do something different and whatever they cook, viewers are smart enough to know whats being served. They just woke up to this game very late. We have 60 years of history in cinema and still we lag behind countries like korea, Japan, China, Hungary, Spain,France etc to give a decent movie. All we get is this.
I won't say Kahaani was bad but still nothing good about it.

Many things were not answered and there were so many plot holes that I can put whole Kahaani unit in it. Like what was the motive of Bhaskaran (Pakistani/B'desh/China connection) why was that terrorist attack, these days terrorist name itself has motive and explanation it seems. so a perfect tool for thriller.

Then IB knows abt this Millind guy and NDC but still they did nothing they waited for some girl to show up to solve this case, I thought Indian police are very efficient (after watching that Crime Patrol show) I was wrong or the story writer (some half wit) has got no clue. They could have done what Vidya did within 2 years, take the computer out, found out link between NDC and Millind and what not.

Vidya said her husband (Arnab) came to India through some flight and there was no record of him, police man was not at all suspicious, I would have thought that her husband had 2 passport and traveled with different id, so something is going on there. It was the clue either Vidya is fooling him or her husband is some illegal guy on some mission here.
Secondly, it seems all murders mean nothing to police they keep looking for her missing husband, I mean it was clear that something is very wrong here and still no one bother to even talk about that HR lady murder and then that doctor murder. Even that killer guy who was killed, that case was not taken further as why he was doing this, etc should have been easy to catch who were behind it.

That hacking stunts of Vidya was laughable and then suddenly a police guy who seems to be idiot and taken for a ride by vidya to help her with her case. got enough brain to crack the whole thing behind Vidya's existence after seeing that
familiar school symbol on that kid. What a farce.

I can go on and on...

Well it was something different for sure .. but not convincing enough... waiting for Talash may be it has some charisma.

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First, I still have some doubt that the movie has got inspired by some foreign movie or a book. Because this kind of convoluted & contrived plot is probably the first of a kind Bollywood has come out with.

There's a different kind of treatment certain plot adapts which revolves around a set of characters, whereas the plot would not necessary explain the importance of the character's role or places OR rather will not bother to provide complete answers / exposition of it. In certain cases, complete exposition dumbs the movie down. Its the audience who has to make a logical assumption for the importance of the characters/places/connections and the back stories.

North By North West is a pretty good example of it. If you see that movie and 'Foreign Correspondent' you wouldn't have that complain for 'Kahaani'. For NBNW, we will have no actual answer for why was Vadamm and/or his men staying at the UN Dimplomat's bungalow, what connection they were having with that Diplomat, what was in the Microfilm etc.

This movie is very much of a Hitchcockian story telling. Even many Film-Noirs such as 'The Lady from Shanghai', 'The Maltese Falcon', 'Shutter Island' etc. has stories with certain important events and interventions amongst characters happen before the movie begins but are not exposed fully in the movie.

I understand your point. Like how the movie revolves around so much on the Data Center. One can complain that it looked like, the Data Center was so crucial for the group of conspirators that they place a mole to manage/delete datas for them and the same person can order to kill people whenever required. But this is how Film-Noir plot works. The characters / places are there because they are there. How they got connected with each other and in what way they made each other utilize is not important.

Some of the many great movies especially 'L.A. Confidential' or 'The 39 Steps' has the plot extensively back worked and the screenplay is derived from much later part as a starting point. The story is lets say A to Z, but the movie actually starts from letter K and we are not given complete exposition. What we see in the movie is just turn of the events and interaction of the characters.

I had made a thread in Indian Cinema board about this movie with spoilers with what could be the possible backstory plot.

One has to be really good at predicting the movie like you said you sensed the twist, I wonder why Bhaskaran thing bothered you? He was the mole/informant they were looking in the IB. He need not have a role in the terrorist attack but has a role post attack in giving out internal information to the terrorist group and thwarting his office's internal investigation.

This is how the movie's plot erupts. Since they could not do any investigation from inside because any attempts on investigation on Milan Damji were leaked out before they could reach the evidence, the IB sensed the presence of informant whom they could never catch. Hence, they (Retired IB Officer & Vidya) now needed to act externally to pull the system and create a stir amongst the conspirators. Bhaskaran would now have no idea about the investigation in advance because its Vidya who is doing it and is not part of the system. Vidya starts the investigation once again from point 1 by investigating for Milan Damji at NDC.

Then IB knows abt this Millind guy and NDC but still they did nothing


This is a good point. I think we just have to assume that they didn't do very good because they might have just scanned employee datas (like how Khan said that they have scanned through their 2000 employees or so - but only that). I think here we have to stress on the point that the entire plan was deviced by the Retired IB Officer (don't remember his name). And he was a very good investigating officer. Now since he is acting externally and guiding Vidya to do the things, he could have sensed it right that she meet some Old people (who've worked at NDC from many years) and stress'em to identify the photograph. Luckily Ms. Agnes (the first one among the old lots) clicked (giving a go to the movie's coincidence) and before she died she informed Vidya about Tyagi.

Secondly, it seems all murders mean nothing to police they keep looking for her missing husband, I mean it was clear that something is very wrong here and still no one bother to even talk about that HR lady murder and then that doctor murder. Even that killer guy who was killed, that case was not taken further as why he was doing this, etc should have been easy to catch who were behind it.


Ofcourse, there was nothing which we see 'in the movie' where the police investigated the murders. It could still end up in some interrogations without concluding direct connections between victims and the murderers. The seriousness about murders could've been very well be there but was handled by IB and we know that Khan and the police officer were working together, obviously because the seriousness was they 'knew' that the murders are taking place indirectly by Bad guys. So its coming to the same thing. They were catching the bad guys. It could not click to them that Vidya is responsible for the events because for them Vidya's husband is 'existing' and they think 'now' that 'they' are utilizing Vidya.

I think here again the credit of investigations go to the Protagonist which is Vidya as she managed to detect through which website the NDC guy was sending message to the assassin. The Police could have done that too, I'm not denying but then the plot would probably dissipate.... I think we can suspend this one.

a police guy who seems to be idiot and taken for a ride by vidya to help her with her case. got enough brain to crack the whole thing behind Vidya's existence after seeing that familiar school symbol on that kid. What a farce.


Your'e right about this one. I felt what was the need of that 'usual suspects' device to include here. But at the end someone need to expose the plot and that officer was the first person narrator at that instance who provides the exposition to the audience - merging it later to flashback. Just a treatment. So its important that the movie's character who will narrate the exposition first needs to identify how it was all Vidya's game. Writer's choice may be.

For me the movie is 8.5/10. There were moments where too much focus were given in Vidya talking to kids and some minor stuffs like you said. I just pray that this one is original and not a rip of some foreign movie/book.


Next we have Peter Breene...

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So 10-15 mins in, you "found out" what the plot was. Well, many of us considered it. What made you so sure it was the only explanation?

Your gripes about the movie are not all valid-

We don't need a motive for the presence of rogue agents and informers. They may be doing it for money or whatever.

IB knew about Millind and NDC but Bhaskaran being so high up, obviously any internal investigation was doomed to fail.

There were no records of Arnab, but as they said no one suspects a pregnant woman that easily, the police were more eager to help her than question her. As for the IB guy Khan, he wasn't interested in Arnab, rather Vidya messing around.


Flaws I agree with-

They never showed or talked about the murders that were committed. Also they could easily have made an "accident" of Vidya and ended the whole thing.

Bhaskaran at some point tells Khan to forget about Vidya and start looking for Millind. Well, if he is an informer, he would ask just the opposite thing because he already knows about Millind's whereabouts etc.

The hacking part was laughable indeed. Also Khan begging her to help him as if they have no one else to break into the computer.

It has flaws but still it's better than what bollywood churns out day in, day out.

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They never showed or talked about the murders that were committed.

IB got involved, so they kept the police out of this. The investigations themselves were not shown but that is for the audience to just understand.

Also they could easily have made an "accident" of Vidya and ended the whole thing.

Yes, very much possible but possibly that's why she was living in a nondescript hotel in a busy street. Bumping her off there might have attracted unwanted attention - more witnesses, and stuff like that. However, the film stresses more on that the killers are not really interested in Vidya until much later.

Bhaskaran at some point tells Khan to forget about Vidya and start looking for Millind. Well, if he is an informer, he would ask just the opposite thing because he already knows about Millind's whereabouts etc.

Precisely for this reason, he is not interested in getting his seemingly efficient officer Khan involved with Vidya. If Khan were successful in apprehending Vidya, it would lead him to Bhaskaran. Instead, he uses his "personal" channels to bump off Vidya while Khan is "kept busy" locating Milind Damji.

The hacking part was laughable indeed. Also Khan begging her to help him as if they have no one else to break into the computer.

For hackers, it may not be so laughable at. Hacking statistics show that most computers can be hacked, no matter what you do. And if Vidya was resourceful, she could do the job. However, this bit was not handled very well. For instance, a hacker did not need to reach Sridhar's office to hack the computer. And it would be difficult to hack something from a "memory full" low end computer at a police station. Such an act would get noticed and traced back to the police station quickly and would point fingers at Vidya sooner than how things went. She could use a separate computer to do this. And once hacked, the contents could be transferred online instead of needing a pen drive. Also, why would Sridhar keep such things on his official computer? And why would they communicate using Bhaskaran's "OLD" number? And why didn't Sridhar call his staff on noticing an illegal entry instead of trying to handle it himself?

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Hi Kausix777, missing you at Shutter Board.

Very nice explanations btw.

Also, why would Sridhar keep such things on his official computer? And why would they communicate using Bhaskaran's "OLD" number? And why didn't Sridhar call his staff on noticing an illegal entry instead of trying to handle it himself?


I think most middle age or 50+ are not that proficient in using computers like youngsters and that will always be the case. He used his computer just to send the photograph, he might not be using it to store the part of his conspiracy's data or information.

And if Sridhar had called his staff, they'd probably lie and it wouldn't help prevent his computer getting hacked which he suspects happening right now at that moment. He was more tensed and eager to reach his office. He could have called the security and asked to close all doors, may be.



Next we have Peter Breene...

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