Absolutely god-awful


Forget Eddie Izzard as Silver - he is awful and totally unsuited to the role, but that is not the main issue here - what I find most disgraceful is the way this show has totally re-written a classic story - turning jim into some imbecile, livesy into a craven fool and trelawny into a charmless aristocratic tyrant just left me asking "why?" - why do it - the charactars of the book are well-rounded and couragous - but every character in this adaptation is totally unlikeable.

The style of filming was also terrible - it was like a 90's mtv show with wonky cameras and distorted and cracked photography - again, what is the point?

They may as well have called it something else and given the characters different names it was that far from the book.

I'll admit i only watched the first episode; I couldn't bring myself to watch the second - If you want to watch an excellent and loyal adaptation i recommend you watch Devils Treasure from 1990 with Charlton Heston and Christian Bale

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I liked it.

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Can you elaborate? Or why bother posting?

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The acting, apart from perhaps Elijah Wood's performance was excellent.
Eddie Izzard in particular I thought was very good, and brought a lot of humanity
to a part that at times can be pure caricature.
However for someone who is a huge fan of the book and earlier film productions, this adaptation left a lot to be desired.

If your going to change characters like Livsey & Trellawny to such an extent that they become unrecognizable, and develop aspects of the backstory that impact on the main characters motivation that weren't there in the original story then you simply aren't making Treasure Island anymore.

I think if you aren't familiar with the source material you might get something
out of this adaptation, but for fans of the original this was awful.

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I think your last paragraph is spot-on.

I have never read the book so cannot understand the differences between that and this adaptation.

For me it was an excellent production - well acted, good, believable story and characters, decent CGI when used.

It really doesn't bother me that it may not have been true to the book. It was an adaptation, so there is nothing written down which states that it has to be. Perhaps it was time to do something a bit different anyway?

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So you think it is ok to take characers from the book, switch them all around, make it so the bad guys are actually more likable than the good guys and call it an adaptation. the only thing in common these two got is the names of characters and that they "swim to an island to find treasure".
you may as well then be watching mysteriuos island from the 50s, which had only the title common with the book (they even had dinosaurs in that one, for gods sake).

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"So you think it is ok to take characers from the book, switch them all around, make it so the bad guys are actually more likable than the good guys and call it an adaptation"


Yes. Why not? I don't read books so an adaptation like this is fine by me. It is only purists like you who have a problem with it.

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In which case your a moron. Good job.

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I take it you meant "you're"?

And you call me a moron?

Good job.

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Yes to both questions.

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Strazdamonas,

you are a dinosaur. Stuck in the past. Well I've got news for you. EVERYTHING changes. EVERYTHING. Even you. And there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. Forget about wanting to keep things the same, because nature and history will tell you that it isn't going to happen. Why should adaptations of old books be any different?

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The point of writing things down is so you could keep the memories unchanged. Yes i am a dinosaur, but i am proud to be one.

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True, if you are writing a diary, a historical log of events. This was a fictional story. Fictional stories change over the years.

Don't get me wrong, I am a dinosaur too. I am closer to 50 than 40 and don't like change, but, gradually, I have come to accept that everything does (except, of course, those aforementioned logs/diaries).

I don't have a problem with adapting original stories to create new, different ones, even if they end up very different to the original source material. If it is too difficult for you to accept anything different to what was originally written perhaps it would be best if you don't watch any new productions which are based on old ones?

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But this comes from self-professed non-reader? Praising the concept of remakes?

Sorry. No credibility, I fear. If you wish to discourse on the validity on deconstructing time honored narratives just to line pockets with coin then I think you need more than that to convince me.

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What does being a non-reader have to do with anything?

My opinion is my opinion. Believe it or not I don't look to you for validity. And I have no concern with film-makers lining their pockets. I only care about them making something interesting that is good to watch. And, in my opinion (which is really the only one that matters to me!), they succeeded with this.

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I agree with the opening statement. This was terrible. Ranging from Long John Silver with his tats and not even bothering to have a wooden leg to the cowardly doctor and the ending. I won't say what happens so if anyone actually wants to watch this I won't spoil their enjoyment. Either make a movie version that sticks to the story or an adaption, but this was just a mess trying to appeal to the "Pirates of the Carribean" audience.

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Martin, if you actually don't read books, then it is no wonder you don't understand the huge difference between an adaptation and an outright travesty, which is what this is. If the filmmakers just wanted to make a movie about going after pirate treasure, then why take the title and names of some very beloved characters and then completely obliterate what has made this story resonate with people for many generations? Why not create something original?

If you DID read books, you would realize what a great original story you have missed by never reading this one.

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Martin, I don't think you need to be a "purist" to think that when you gut the whole spirit of a book, it is not an adaptation but a rip-off of a famous title. This is actually less true to "Treasure Island" than the Muppet version. I guess you could do a "Little Women" where the girls are at each other's throats, or "Huckleberry Finn" where Huck sells Jim back into slavery, but you would not call these adaptations but travesties, and that is what went on here. But then, I forget, you don't read books, so you must be completely detached from the riches of Western Civilization.

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When I want to enjoy the original story of Treasure Island, I read Treasure Island. When I want an adaptation of Treasure Island, I'll watch an adaptation of Treasure Island.

I agree that the story shouldn't have taken a back seat to the casting, and that the acting was sub-par (duh, it's a *beep* mini-series, meaning a 95% chance it'll be crap. What did you expect?), but the nature of adaptation is to take liberties. It's been done with everything from The Odyssey to Glee. You can dislike an adaptation all you want, but to decry adaptation itself would be to decry everything from Shakespeare's Hamlet, to Zorro, Casablanca, Blade Runner, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?... nearly everything created in our post-modern Western Civilization who's riches you adore so well.

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It's still closer to the book than the Bourne movies. I'm just sayin'.

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The problem isn't whether it's true to the book, it's that the story in the book is a very good story and the TV adaptation is just bad storytelling. It just doesn't make sense. Why would Trelawney invite Jim on the cruise and then turn on him and abuse him? Why would they dump the treasure?

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Youre absolutely right. The casting and acting apart from Elijah Wood reprising his role from everything Elijah Wood has ever done, was excellent. It was the script and directing to blame for this failing. Truth be told, I love Eddie Izzard and Phil Glennister and thought they did wonderful in this.
This is a classic. The reason it is a classic is because everyone loved the characters from the source material. Making the changes in the backstory and characters personalities made it less than spectacular.
All in all it was entertaining in my opinion if you watch it without commercials. But not a blockbuster of any sort.

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I just finished watching this 3 hour movie. 9/10 from me.

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I loved how it actually *felt* like a novel, rather than a film.
Given that this was a mere 3 hour adaptation, designed to appeal to all manner of audience (something you really have to do these days), I think it was fantatstic.

No-one's ever going to do it *exactly* as per the book, partly because it's a different media to the screen and with changes in today's social attitudes, you have certain expectations to meet.
Certain things would have been simplified or altered to be more believable to a modern audience, or at least something they relate better to than attitudes of the 1800s. Kids have to be able to follow it, too... and I bet loads of them will now go Google 'Treasure Island' and read the book.

I thought Izzard was a very good choice - He is already famous for his slightly off-the-wall persona and to use that to play a character who is both despicable and honourable, both villain and hero at the same time takes some skill.

I enjoyed this version quite a lot.



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No-one's ever going to do it *exactly* as per the book, partly because it's a different media to the screen and with changes in today's social attitudes, you have certain expectations to meet.
Certain things would have been simplified or altered to be more believable to a modern audience, or at least something they relate better to than attitudes of the 1800s. Kids have to be able to follow it, too... and I bet loads of them will now go Google 'Treasure Island' and read the book.


Actually the 1990 Bale/Heston version comes pretty damn close to being by the book. And why does it have to kids of today; why can't they be transported back to the period in which the book was written and the film was set? Don Quixote is another classic; I have no idea what those books and characters are that he (and Cervantes) keeps going on about, but I wouldn't have it any other way, book or movie.

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The Sharpe series is a perfect example of why - Because the social attitudes, culture and even language of the period would be utterly incomprehensible to a modern audience. I don't mean just for kids, either.

For example - Would you understand why a Victorian era 'hero' has graphic pictures of naked 4-year-olds displayed on his bedroom dresser?
Today's audience would instantly decry that character as an evil paedophile, yet back in that era such things were considered depictions of purity and innocence without any kind of sexual context. It was as much a feature of everyday life as seeing bikini-clad women in the media is for us today.

This is an extreme example, perhaps, but some modern 'schollars' have labelled Classic authors as paedophiles for this very reason. If they cannot understand the period cultural context, how would the average viewer?
One shouldn't have to be a certified historian in order to understand a simple story.

Another example - Was every 1970s cop like Dirty Harry? Every private detective like Peter Gunn or Sam Spade?
Why do you think we have modern adaptations of Shakespeare? The Leo DiCaprio version of Romeo & Juliet, while managing to retain the original dialogue, is still set in a modern city environment with guns and cars, to provide a modern context for a modern audience.

Would you find Batman Begins believable if everything else was the same, but Batman was played by Adam West in the same 60s style as the series?
It just wouldn't work, would it?

If you don't have the right contexts for settings and characters, the audience will not find them believable enough. The target audience here was probably a more casual viewer needing a good introduction to Treasure Island than someone who knows the original source material inside and out.

But whatever the target, if you cannot get your audience's interest, you don't get the ratings and you fail. Regardless of how nitpicky anyone wants to get over something, THAT is ultimately the drive behind 'modern' entertainment. It's about ratings and money. Nothing more.



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ttaskmaster . that was a top quality reply!

I am a big fan on the book, if I want to experience it again.. I'll go read the book!!!
But if I want to experience a new look and interpretation of the novel, this movie is excellent, because it respects the source material and makes it fresh again.
Kids watching this for the first time will likely to have an interest on such a great book they might overlook before.
So its good for everyone, isn't? ;)

edit: if anyone thinks this is an insult to older movies and book, please go watch the new Three Musketeers 3D

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That's modernization for you -- it's necessary because contemporary audiences are unable to identify with characters who aren't entirely stupid, useless, annoying and/or selfish.

Well, according to most people producing film and television, anyway. Personally I'd wonder whether they're not just trying to create characters who they themselves can identify with. ...

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Not at all...

How many of your co-workers are dishonest enough to nick stationery or take more of the communal milk from the kitchen than they should?

How many people take the toiletries and other items from hotel rooms? In fact, this practice has become so commonplace that most now only use small sample sizes because almost everyone does it.

Even during WW2 rationing, people would get stuff off the black market left, fight and centre. This sort of surrepticious behaviour has been the norm throughout history.

Such genuinely honest, upstanding persons have always been few and far between, with the vast majority of such persons being romanticised fictional characters. People don't really relate to them so much as relate to their own perception of themselves. However, we are slowly getting more into the 'anti-hero' type in our stories, which is why John Silver is so popular as well. He walks the same morally ambiguous line as most folks... he just has more of an opportunity to do well out of it :-)


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Yet, quite often people will behave heroically and unselfishly. There may have been a black market during WWII, but Britain wouldn't have pulled through without a great deal of self-sacrifice. A co-worker might raid the fridge, but also donate sick days to a fellow worker.

And many reasons a book becomes a classic is because it makes you LOVE the characters, not think "Oh, good, they are no better than the average." We enjoy watching the comparative nobility of the Doctor and Jim Hawkins (who won't betray his word, even when he thinks he will likely be tortured to death). What people consider "relevance" often doesn't outlast the decade it was born in.

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Izzard was great as Silver... not some bloated, Disney-fied, over-the-top pirate nonsense (entertaining though Robert Newton was). See, what Izzard did was called acting... where you display two sides of the coin, the good and the bad within a person. Silver is actually a quite complex part, there's so much to his character and desires, his struggles. Forget the exaggerated excess of Newton's Silver... it would be laughable to have performed the part the same way in 2011. Points for some added realism... 8/10

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Pirates did not bury treasure anyway. They sold what they stole and spent the proceeds. Pirates were thieves, not museum keepers.

Buried treasure was something Robert Louis Stevenson dreamed up.

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You are correct, and you are incorrect. Some did bury treasure, so they could get it later, due to various issues, including pursuit, weather, etc,
read some history. Captain Kidd is one who did bury some treasure along the eastern US coast.

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Absoulte worst remake I've ever seen. Wallace Beery and Robert Newton as Long John Silver, yes. Eddie Izzard no, and his next character to slay...Grandpa Munster

Plus "young Jim Hawkins" played by a 20 year old(I guess he is younger than the rest of them) is almost as ridiculous as this version of Treasure Island.

And Frodo, Frodo, Frodo... how far have you sunk? You can't need the work that badly.

See this playing in your tv listings, time to pick up the book.

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Rupert Penry Jones as Trellawney?? are you kidding me?! And George Merry that guy?? wtf what's wrong with the people who did the casting?! Ages, faces and everything's wrong here!!

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