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So many plot holes and logical fallacies.


Where are the guns? These Humans can travel at light speed and create fabric that can change at a molecular level, but rely on melee weapons?

The kids survival suit is so high tech that it has built in gliding wings and can react to threats in the environment, and yet it cant keep him warm at night?

1000 years of evolution is not long enough for the types of changes seen in the plant and animal life on the planet.

All of the vegetation flash freezes at night (which would kill it, the same way it would kill the kid) but is alive and green in the morning.

In the volcano scene, the kid is scene jumping over lava with his feet just inches away. In reality, if you came even half that close to lava, you would combust.

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Ok, but I'm willing to bet it doesn't get cold enough to freeze moving water solid in just a few seconds.

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THERE WERE GUNS IN THIS MOVIE. THEY WERE DEPICTED IN THE OPENING SCENE WHERE WILL SMITH IS SHOWING OFF HIS "GHOSTING" ABILITIES.

so basically there is no reason whatsoever for them to be using swords instead of logical ranged weapons. I mean, ursa are obviously superior physically (size, weaponry, consitution, etc) and yet swords were the choice weapons? NOT EVEN SPEARS?!

this movie was written/organized by someone with zero military knowledge. I'm talking not even the level of kids playing call of duty lol.

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It may get cold where you live but flash freezing would kill everything.

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Where are the guns?


The soldiers probably carry guns. It's just possible that guns weren't necessary on this particular mission, so weren't brought along. Of course the reality is that it's a children's film and no studio is going to show children playing with guns or glamorizing guns as "cool" so soon after several high profile shootings.

You could make the same argument here with Stars Wars. There's no practical reason to use a light sabre except A) it looks cool and B) Lucas has a Kurosawa fetish.

The kids survival suit is so high tech that it has built in gliding wings and can react to threats in the environment, and yet it cant keep him warm at night?


It probably does keep him warm, but the characters have never before been in an environment where the temperature drops to such a low level. Again, they hadn't planned to land on Earth so were unprepared for its climate.

1000 years of evolution is not long enough


We don't know how far in the future the movie takes place. It's set 1000 years after humanity abandons the planet, not 1000 years from 2013. No set-date for the movie is given. For all we know, the characters don't leave earth for another 1000 years (making it 2000 years in total), maybe even more, and its obvious from the stock-footage montage that the changes in the planet have been going on as early as the 1980s.

In the volcano scene


This is legit, but all movies do it. Being completely realistic, you can kill someone with a punch to the face, but how many times do you see characters in movies take a pummelling and not even have a black eye, chipped tooth or broken nose? Half the stuff James Bond does is completely unrealistic and preposterous and would result in injury or death. Ditto Batman.

There are many plotholes in this movie, but I don't think half of these qualify, simply because not enough information is given for the audience to ascertain the facts.

Most of the biggest plotholes relate the Ursa, a completely preposterous invention that doesn't make sense on any level. I don't know which of the five writers were responsible for that one, but they should all be ashamed.

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You can't make the same argument for Star Wars.

First, many Jedi's, including Luke, did carry guns. Second, Jedi's can dodge and deflect blasters with ease, so a close quarters weapon would be necessary. Third, it's often used as a cutting tool.

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You can't make the same argument for Star Wars.

First, many Jedi's, including Luke, did carry guns. Second, Jedi's can dodge and deflect blasters with ease, so a close quarters weapon would be necessary. Third, it's often used as a cutting tool.

And fourth, they actually gave a reason for the light sabers in the film's narrative.

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1000 years of evolution is not long enough


We don't know how far in the future the movie takes place. It's set 1000 years after humanity abandons the planet, not 1000 years from 2013. No set-date for the movie is given. For all we know, the characters don't leave earth for another 1000 years (making it 2000 years in total), maybe even more, and its obvious from the stock-footage montage that the changes in the planet have been going on as early as the 1980s.


We don't know how long has passed since present day. However, what we do know is the flashbacks of humanity messing up earth only showed stuff that has already happened, or could happen today with current technology. So it suggests it hasn't been that long.

But it really doesn't matter, because there's no way evolution would cause the wildlife of the future to specifically evolve to kill humans, whether we are here or not.

1) If humanity is absent from the planet, adaptations that help organisms kill humans would not give an evolutionary advantage.

2) If humanity is present on the planet, adaptations that help organisms kill humans would actually give an evolutionary disadvantage, because as soon as humans recognize it as a threat, we focus our resources on combating the threat and eradicating the organism. That's what we're doing with microorganisms that cause disease, for example. That's what they were doing with the ursa on the ship - taking it to get researched on so humans could destroy it. It's actually the organisms that are harmless or helpful to humans that have an evolutionary advantage now.



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the reality is that it's a children's film


Oh, that explains a lot actually.

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Agreed about not enough information. Its like saying-'at no time did the characters go to the toilet. This would make anyone explode.''

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Why indeed? Have you asked yourself why the filmmaker M. Night Shyamalan decided on such a bold future for humanity not to use weapons like projectile guns & lasers? It's kind of interesting how weapons like that were never shown in the film.

To me, I think either the film purposely didn't show weapons OR (most likely) the weapons have stopped being developed in this future? Now, we should ask ourselves, like I said before, why the director decided on this? Well, I think it portrays an anti-gun message here. You know, guns are actually more dangerous & deadly than combat weapons. This is an equivalent message found in the anti-gun message clearly portrayed from the main character from Children of Men.

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The only thing I thought was a plothole was the guns thing but I thought maybe, like mentioned before, they weren't needed in this mission. Still silly not to have some just in case but its just one of those things.

I never thought of the anti-gun thing. Thats a better explanation. Guns and weapons like that probably contributed to disasters so maybe they don't use them for fear wars would start or something.

Everything else isn't that bad. Just the usual suspension of disbelief. The animals were not that different. They were wild animals. They'd try to kill you even today and that bird saved him from freezing.

Actually I kept wondering about Will's leg. The bypass malfunctioned but by the end it completely failed and we don't know how long it took for the rescue to arrive. Could he have really survived continuing to bleed while unconscious? Im no doctor so maybe it is plausible.

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Indeed. Since this is a sci-fi film set in some supposed future, we can make a logical conclusion that something clearly happened regarding the role of guns. They either didn't mention it in the film, or it was decided that it is not needed anymore for it is a far more dangerous & unnecessarily violent technology used to kill. Guns are clearly as bad & dangerous as any close combat weapon.

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If the Ursas can be killed by a knife why these monsters were a problem for the humanity? And what about that spaceship made of bamboo!!! Terrible plot!

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They were a problem for humanity, because all humans had were knives. And the only way we stand a chance is when a human has mastered ghosting. Will Smith was the only one.

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They were a problem for humanity, because all humans had were knives. And the only way we stand a chance is when a human has mastered ghosting. Will Smith was the only one.

See, the problem I have is that you say that like it is within the realm of possibility.

I honestly am not trying to be insulting. Really.

But name one other period or civilization in all of known history where people did not invent ranged weapons. Even if you don't want guns, there are bows, arrows, spears, blow guns, crossbows, boomerangs - every civilization on the face of the earth has tried to move the conflict further away from their bodies. Heck, even pikes and polearms push the conflict further away.

My point is, people do not act like this. If all we have is a sword, I guarantee someone will attach the sword to a pole and make a spear, and at some point someone is going to throw that spear. Heck, even the Jedis threw their light sabers, and when they didn't they used them to bounce back shots, making them ranged weapons.

Given the level of tech these people have, to suggest they don't have some kind of ranged weapon goes completely against human nature.

And that's not to mention that the whole idea of the Ursa is stupid. There is no apex predator that could be successful using only a sense of smell. And these people made smart suits that could detect danger and turn black, but couldn't mask or hide the pheromones? They couldn't just have the rangers in airtight suits? Why rely on something as silly and hard to learn as "ghosting?"

They could have made this ghosting thing work slightly better if they had all this other stuff, but lo and behold none of it survived the crash so the boy had to do master his fear, but they didn't.

Yes, I know the point of the movie was to show a young man's travel from fearful boy to brave man, but they bent reality entirely too much in this story to get there. It's like using your left foot to scratch your right ear. They simply made too many demands on the viewers' suspension of disbelief.

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Here's what I would have done. The Ursas would have regular senses and be apex predators, hard to kill in the best of circumstances. But the human fear pheromone is like a hit of methamphetamine to a human. They become stronger (well, their strength literally is the same but the inhibitors on using muscles past the point of danger drop) and they enter a killing frenzy, like sharks and blood.

There were guns on the ship, but the armory was in the tail section. So the young man has to master his fear to avoid sending the monster into an unstoppable killing frenzy.

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Your long post is useless. Just mindless babble on your part. You did not take into consideration that this film starts off in the future. Humanity obviously got rid of weapons like guns. You did not pay attention to the film's obvious anti-gun message.

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I didn't insult you. I guess you are incapable of a thoughtful reply and have to go right for the insult, lacking anything else of substance to say.

Is it my fault you obviously don't have the attention span to read a post nor understand it?

There - I hope this is short enough for you to be able to work your way through all four sentences.

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That's a lot of assumptions about me. I did not insult you. I criticized your long post (which I read, btw) to have no relevance on understanding the film itself. Guns are bad for humanity. Have you asked yourself why Shyamalan chose not to include weapons like guns in this film? That is how you can accelerate understanding. Not go over an evolutionary history lesson on human weapons! That has already happened, you idiot. This film represents post-modern times. Have you seen future sci-fi films like Children of Men? That film is a perfect representation of an anti-gun message with Clive Owen never pulling a trigger in a gun-centered & violent society! After Earth explores a future way beyond Children of Men. In my analysis, Shyamalan is also communicating anti-gun violence in this movie. That is all needed to be said. You were pretty ignorant to use the ancient past as a means to criticize events happening in the future.

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You know, I don't entirely blame you. I should realize by now the difficulty of having an intelligent conversation with people like you on IMDb.

If you really read my post you would realize that remarks like "don't you understand this is in the future" don't fit because, in fact, that very thing was addressed in my post.

Okay, you say you weren't trying to be insulting. Then remarks like "You were pretty ignorant to use the ancient past as a means to criticize events happening in the future." phrase like "you idiot" make you a liar.

But your statements are false, and demonstrably so. First, I wasn't talking ancient past, I asked you to point to a single civilization in ALL of recorded history where mankind didn't make ranged weapons. Even though you said you read it I guess you missed the point that ranged weapons don't have to be guns, but the idea that there are none is ludicrous and goes against human nature. Second, history is a pretty good indicator of where man is going. Human nature doesn't change that much. For example, people always want security, food, and companionship.

But you know what - all that aside, let's look at three of your points. First, you say Shyamalan is anti gun. Fine. He isn't the writer, the producer, or really much more than a cinematographer on this film. His personal beliefs are not necessarily on the screen.

Second, if they are trying to make the point that guns are bad then they did a VERY poor job. Why? Because, we gave up guns and now are dying from the predations of the Ursa and the only thing that can save us is an unreliable and hard to learn (silly) technique called "ghosting."

The point of not using guns was clearly to force a confrontation between Jaden and the Ursa in the last act, not to make a point about guns. It's obvious YOU missed the whole point of the movie.

Third, "guns are bad for humanity." Clearly your attitude and you are welcome to hold it, but hardly a universal truth.

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I really enjoy the quarrel. Sometimes I see people insult others as ignorant fools although they themselves just ignore what the others said.
Although not completely agree with all that you said, starwolf, your point about projectile weapons is true. Even in the movie, the boy threw a stone at the monkey, and later on he threw something, probably a metal javelin which was created in split second from his high tech cutlass, at the Ursa. So if it were not a huge plot hole, the ship might not be equipped with other projectile weapons. Well I find the movie kinda childish, so I guess the director just wants his character to look cool.
About the Ursa, it is not the Apex predator, because from the beginning there were "alien" ships that dropped the Ursas down to hunt human, so they are like just like hunting dogs, just more intelligent. The movie didn't say much more about those aliens so ... no idea why... although at the beginning they were shooting human with something like laser or electrical beams. Still, I find it hilarious to think humans would fight alien spaceship with melee weapons, they must be so advanced in technology.

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Now this is a discussion!

Just curious, why would you say the Ursa isn't an apex predator? It was supposed to be a bio engineered weapon (or I think I remember that), right? Apex predators are predators that are not natural prey to any other animal.

Of course, truthfully I guess we don't know much more about the Ursa do we? So I admit I am making an assumption.

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Of course, truthfully I guess we don't know much more about the Ursa do we?

Exactly why I said so. There is no info about whether the Ursas could be hunted by other types of animals on other planets or not. Maybe when they are dropped on human, they became a kind of Apex predator. I still think they should just be classified as bio weapons against humans. I don't know if they can hunt anything else rather than humans and monkeys, as depicted in the movie, because they can only rely on one sense.

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I hate to open everyone's eyes but, THERE WERE PLASMA RIFLES BEING USED IN THE OPENING SCENE WITH THE RANGERS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE ENEMY ALIENS ENERGY BLASTS...WILL SMITH IS THEN SEEN "GHOSTING" AND KILLING AN URSA! Pay attention people for Christ sakes...they use the Cutlass because the Ursa stay camo'ed until there right on top of you before decamo'ing, at that range sharp saber/swords are best.

They URSA are not apex predators...they're genetically engineered 'monsters' created by the alien race who want to uproot the humans from NOVA PRIME. the damned animals have metal foreheads and in their legs and talons...metal talons?...definitely not natural.

Wake up, Time to DIE.

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There's an awful lot of argument and counter argument in these posts but nothing that changes the fact this was an excruciatingly boring film. Will Smith should hang his head in shame and Jaden Smith should quit acting because he's proven yet again he comes from the Kristen Stewart school of sulky acting.

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HAH! i am now 100% convinced that mazardeus is only a troll and advocates for this movie only to troll people

to deny that post is retarded.

Having the ursas "power up" instead is an incredible idea. They could have had leaking suits (the logically created airtight pheremone suits) that lead to serious danger.

they could even have set it up so that only a certain type of rare metal/mineral was good at cutting through ursa skin, and since its limited, thats why they dont just use it on bullets as it would be wasted. You could even have each character with a gun with a very limited amount of bullets. You could even explain that the metal cant stand up to the combustive force of a bullet being fired, or is altered because of it rendering it useless. then it would make sense to use swords.

They narrated all knowledge in this movie, so adding that bit would only have explained things better. Maybe that metal is the reason we went to the planet in the first place, maybe its magic for humans in some ways too.

the entire movie is just a joke. there are 100 ways it could have went with that budget, and instead of they just took a dump and filmed it.

Dumb people defend this movie because they are too dumb too see how mediocre it is

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Here's what I would have done. The Ursas would have regular senses and be apex predators, hard to kill in the best of circumstances. But the human fear pheromone is like a hit of methamphetamine to a human. They become stronger (well, their strength literally is the same but the inhibitors on using muscles past the point of danger drop) and they enter a killing frenzy, like sharks and blood.

Nice idea and better than the fear sense only.

If an Ursa would strife through the streets of L.A. in our time, Im quite sure it wouldnt take long until some cops come and tazer it ;)

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okay i just have to say that if m night was trying to put an anti-gun message into after earth i would say he failed miserably.

fighting giant monsters that only attack in close quarters would be the MAIN AND SPECIFIC time that guns are required. This movie feels pro-gun to me. It says, this is what would kill us if we were dumb enough to stop attacking from a distance like every military tactic says to do lol.

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Do not forget that the fight taken place against the aliens is not in Earth, but in the new planet they have taken refuge. Clearly, they have not taken guns with them. It does not make the film pro-gun for not using guns. That would be the case if the prologue ended with them using guns to defeat the Ursa. No, instead, humanity has found a way to defeat them without guns. Clearly, humanity has learned to not rely on destructive weapons, ideologies, and actions that destroyed Earth in the first place. :) It's an amazing message just like the anti-gun message in Children of Men.

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The message that you so desperately want to project into to this movie fails miserably when you consider the convoluted ways in which they have to portray the enemy of humanity in order to justify a future in which weapons are not necessary: some stupid monster that hunts by smell so lots of people had to die in vain before some dude discovers a way to "ghost" instead of simply dispatching the thing with some artillery shells. So basically the first alien that shows with a shotgun could conquer all of us. Great!

It's very funny the fetichism that you have for guns, you are so scared of them that you even go as far to believe that somehow a future without guns but with swords is somehow brilliant and peaceful.

Before the invention of guns Wars were equally brutal. Julius Caesar had no guns and yet was a able to conquer Gaul with Legions armed with swords, decimating a whole population in what could be called a genocide from a modern point of view. The Battle of Salsu (AD 612) had 300.000 casualties, numbers like that were only matched with some WWII battles.

It is very funny how you don't consider a sword a "destructive weapon" as if all wars before the invention of gun powder were some kind of reality show.

Reverting to knifes or swords will accomplish nothing, if anything it will once again give an advantage to the strongest of us since fighting one on one with swords will always favor the more physically strong and the opponent with the better training, creating a new elite of people ruling by might, just like the Samurai of feudal Japan. If anything, guns made us all equal.






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The message that you so desperately want to project into to this movie fails miserably when you consider the convoluted ways in which they have to portray the enemy of humanity in order to justify a future in which weapons are not necessary: some stupid monster that hunts by smell so lots of people had to die in vain before some dude discovers a way to "ghost" instead of simply dispatching the thing with some artillery shells. So basically the first alien that shows with a shotgun could conquer all of us. Great!
Your response is irrelevant. You are severely judging the film to a point of trying to justify why you don't like this movie. It's not even a relevant criticism, because here's why: if we did decide to kill the aliens with guns, we get nothing out of it. Because we did not rely on guns, we got something out of it known as ghosting. Our sacrifices led to something meaningful, so we implemented the ghosting program for military training. It's not only a useful defense mechanism against the Ursa, but it's also a vital philosophy for humanity. Fear is really up to our choices.

It's very funny the fetichism that you have for guns, you are so scared of them that you even go as far to believe that somehow a future without guns but with swords is somehow brilliant and peaceful.

Well, guns are extremely dangerous & deadly. So are sharper weapons. The point being is that guns prove more deadlier, since you think they are capable of killing the Ursa compared with other weapons. We are talking about the film, so let us please concentrate directly to its universe: the film's weapons are limited to sharp objects for combat ONLY. And it can be activated & deactivated on both sides with different configurations. That is enough to defeat an Ursa. Relying on more powerful weapons will lead us to the lack of peace we are currently dealing with. Post-Earth period for humanity in the movie After Earth is during the most peaceful times where all people of different cultures & accents have come to live together in harmony by setting aside their differences, and working together to accomplish goals beneficial to humanity. Point is we survived the aliens & defeated them. Even going back to history, lives were costed to create stability & peace around us. What you are doing by criticizing the events of the movie is like you criticizing our history. Guns are bad, and can be accessed. At least with limited weapons to the cutlass, we won't have to worry about bad people dealing heavy damage against their own species. Think about this. Look at movies like Children of Men, a sci-fi film set in the future, and look at the post-apocalyptic havoc guns have done to humanity.


Before the invention of guns Wars were equally brutal. Julius Caesar had no guns and yet was a able to conquer Gaul with Legions armed with swords, decimating a whole population in what could be called a genocide from a modern point of view. The Battle of Salsu (AD 612) had 300.000 casualties, numbers like that were only matched with some WWII battles.
That history is irrelevant. After Earth's weapons do not carry the same weapons as that time period, and the quantity is obviously limited severely to simply cutlass.

It is very funny how you don't consider a sword a "destructive weapon" as if all wars before the invention of gun powder were some kind of reality show.

The cutlass are defintely not as destructive as any weapons we had before.

Reverting to knifes or swords will accomplish nothing, if anything it will once again give an advantage to the strongest of us since fighting one on one with swords will always favor the more physically strong and the opponent with the better training, creating a new elite of people ruling by might, just like the Samurai of feudal Japan. If anything, guns made us all equal.

Right. And well-deserved at that. The strongest of us will be those with superior strength, intelligence, and training. There's not going to be an elite against humanity, because this is a period where all people of differences like culture, race, and religion came together to realize (from their history of destroying the planet Earth) that they must work together to keep the human race existing. When we have an alien race attacking us & we are defending ourselves, we will work together to survive. Bringing up history that happened to a human race far more prejudiced than the humans in After Earth's period is not going to work, because how do you know this is going to happen to a human race centuries after our time period? As history has shown, humans have changed & gotten better. After Earth is a future that surpasses our own issues that the film demonstrates that it has already sorted out. Even if there is a rebellion, they have nothing to suppress anybody as long as there's a universal military that will stop them from creating more violence.

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I am happy for you that you liked this movie and got something you think is meaningful out of it.

I disagree with you, but I have made my points and you are entitled to your opinions.

Best of luck to you in the future.

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ugh everything mazardeus is saying is filled with so many illogical problems...

honestly maz you dont really believe what ur saying do you? It makes no sense...

i mean.. why not even make the alterable weapons have a "spear" setting that shoots out a 15 foot long spear and retracts? Considering the way ursas are built, it just doesnt make any sense to go up against them with a weapon with such short reach. They are close range (ONLY) monsters designed to kill humans at close range.

By this logic, if say grizzly bears exploded in population, and the government gave us a bunch of sticks to fight them. then they said they didnt want to make anything more powerful because they were worried that we would end up killing each other instead of the bears. I bet everyone would be like "OHHH that makes sense. We can always make more people."

SO! by that logic, it makes more sense to sacrifice countless lives (LOVED ONES) to the ursa and most likely lose the war rather than save lives with more powerful weaponry, just because theres a possibility that, after the war, people would go absolutely nuts and start killing eachother for no reason (celebratory murder!), and the police/government wouldnt be able to stop them.

I dun even get where you get the assumption that the AE humans arent prejudice lol. Everything u say is just an assumption to try and prove your points, but you constantly go after others for doing the same thing lmao. Ur hopeless man. Its pretty obvious that you really dont understand anything lmao.

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Jaden, is that you?

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Not going to try and rationalize the "science" behind it....because its science fiction. Nearly every single part of the movie is a "plot hole" if you put it up against actual science.

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Not going to try and rationalize the "science" behind it....because its science fiction. Nearly every single part of the movie is a "plot hole" if you put it up against actual science.

That's an interesting point. In my view of science fiction, it is fiction written into a framework of science. Perhaps we posit a few changes (invention of hyperdrive, and creation of the Federation of Planets) but then everything else has to fit within that logical framework and proceed logically from there.

I don't think this movie passes that test so I wouldn't categorize it was science fiction, more an adventure film that just happened to be placed in a futuristic setting.

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Exactly. Worm hole jumping is a common technology in a huge number of science fiction films and stories, yet its a theory that has not been tested. It may not be possible; we simply don't know.

Yet worm hole jumps are assumed possible in many of these stories.

There is a reason why "fiction" is added to "science" for this genre.

Watta ya lookn here for?

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Exactly. Worm hole jumping is a common technology in a huge number of science fiction films and stories, yet its a theory that has not been tested. It may not be possible; we simply don't know.


Yeah we don't know, that is the difference, that is why it is often used in science fiction. But it is just silly to use stuff that we know is not possible.

There is a reason why "science" is added to "fiction" for this genre.

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More fallacies:

- The split-apart ship is still functioning well enough to be able to create hologram maps of the planet on which it has crashed. OK. We'll go along. So, the ship still has that amazing functionality — yet the *ship* can't send an emergency beacon? That can only be accomplished by a handheld device?

- Since Cypher (Will) was a general and knew so much about what tools were located in various parts of the ship, why would he order Kitai (Jaden) to abort the mission, simply because Kitai had used up his breathing medication? Wouldn't Cypher have known that there'd be more medication in the section of the ship to which he'd sent Kitai to retrieve the beacon?

- It's implied that Kitai is unfamiliar with the ship. Yet, once he reaches the tail section, he somehow knows *exactly* where to find the medication. And (reinforcing previous point) if *he* knew it was there, *Cypher* should have known it was there. So, again, it's illogical that Cypher would have ordered Kitai to abort the mission and return to the original crash site, where they would certainly die together.

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- The split-apart ship is still functioning well enough to be able to create hologram maps of the planet on which it has crashed. OK. We'll go along. So, the ship still has that amazing functionality — yet the *ship* can't send an emergency beacon? That can only be accomplished by a handheld device?

I hadn't thought of that, but yes, it does seem silly. But then we get the awesome scene of the boy holding up the device and shooting a beam into space, so.. special effects for the win!

just think of the beacon as a McGuffin, and you'll be alright.

- Since Cypher (Will) was a general and knew so much about what tools were located in various parts of the ship, why would he order Kitai (Jaden) to abort the mission, simply because Kitai had used up his breathing medication? Wouldn't Cypher have known that there'd be more medication in the section of the ship to which he'd sent Kitai to retrieve the beacon?

I believe it's a given he will have breathing medication once he gets there. He needed four days to GET to the other ship, thus four days worth of meds. Using the flight suit would cut out a day, but would be more dangerous.

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First, a plot hole is an error in the story that is so egregious that no amount of "wishful thinking" can fill that hole. What you are pointing out are technical errors.

Where are the guns? These Humans can travel at light speed and create fabric that can change at a molecular level, but rely on melee weapons?


The Japanese were completely aware of and had access to guns, all sorts, yet chose to stick with the katana for almost fifty years. It took a change in Emperor for the firearm to be accepted. This is not as far fetched as you think.

The kids survival suit is so high tech that it has built in gliding wings and can react to threats in the environment, and yet it cant keep him warm at night?


I can't really fault you for this, but I do have to ask a question. How much can the suit be expected to do in the limited amount of space it occupies?

1000 years of evolution is not long enough for the types of changes seen in the plant and animal life on the planet.


Very true. Yet that really didn't bother me all that much.

All of the vegetation flash freezes at night (which would kill it, the same way it would kill the kid) but is alive and green in the morning.


Flash freezing means that cell walls are not destroyed. There are plants and even animals (toads for instance) that can survive freezing. This is not beyond the realm of possibility.

In the volcano scene, the kid is scene jumping over lava with his feet just inches away. In reality, if you came even half that close to lava, you would combust.


How do you know that?

Watta ya lookn here for?

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(mostly focusing on weapons)

One thing that hasn't been discussed is that this is a space faring society, just barely making it out of Earth (little more than refugees). They had limited technology and resources on the new planet (and no industry to speak of). And for space travel, weight is a paramount factor. While they're able of long distance space travel, their ships are still rather spartan and streamlined to minimize weight.

Propelled projectile gunpowder weapons require ammunition, which needs to be lugged around with you: it is heavy and you can only shoot it once, which is not very efficient within the restrictions of space travel. Unless you expect to go into combat, you wouldn't carry them (you much rather take air, water, and food).

They have limited resources, so even if energy weapons are feasible (we never see them), a swiss-army knife like cutlass makes sense as a general purpose tool for general issue/training to most citizens. They might have heavier (energy or projectile) weapons available, but these weapons would be expensive in this context, and would only be issued to specialized teams.

In AE, it is a single Ursa facing a lone boy in a forest (an open space), which is atypical. The Ursa is intended as a close combat weapon (presumably, the aliens and humans are also fighting more conventional warfare elsewhere). The Ursas infiltrate population centers (behind front lines) and wreak havoc among the civilian population. In such close quarters, projectile weapons might not be very effective and inflict considerable collateral damage.

The limitations in the suit might also have to do with energy conservation. A small energy expenditure to morph the suit can be easily justified, but it would be too expensive to generate heat to keep him warm for an extended period of time.

It isn't just evolution. The flora and fauna on Earth has evolved in reaction to pollutants (toxic waste and nuclear materials), which can cause rapid changes (revolution rather than evolution), so the time passed wouldn't matter much. In the movie, it is said that they evolved "against humans", which is a oversimplifications: they would have changed to withstand human byproducts (ie, pollution).

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Those are not plot holes. Everything that you just said is false. The plants and animal life changed within a 1000 years because the land became contaminated. Vegetation does not freeze at night, so you are lying. You cannot combust from lava, again, lie. They use melee weapons because guns and nukes are dangerous. And what does the suit not keeping him warm at night have any relevant factors to the film? The suit will always have its weaknesses.

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The plants and animal life changed within a 1000 years because the land became contaminated.

The Earth doesn't the cycle between tropical and freezing in a 24 hour period so how would the plants adapt to it? And how would plants adapt in only 1000 years, especially when there was no need? How would obviously tropical plants not freeze?
Vegetation does not freeze at night, so you are lying.
Are you kidding with that? Plants freeze now.
You cannot combust from lava, again, lie.
I'm not sure what they said about that. (And I am too lazy to look.)
They use melee weapons because guns and nukes are dangerous.

Guns are supposed to be dangerous. That's more or less the point And who said anything about nukes?

The point of combat is to kill the target without getting killed or injured. Ranged combat is safer. Only an idiot would choose melee battle if they could kill the target from a distance.
And what does the suit not keeping him warm at night have any relevant factors to the film? The suit will always have its weaknesses.
I don't know what the poster said about the suit but it does seem silly that such a high tech piece of gear only has one function, and such a weird function as to turn black from danger (and how does the suit sense "danger").

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