Empire or Stormcloaks?


Just curious, what others picked.

I went in for for the Stormcloaks. Too many Thalmor Justiciars tried to kill me with no provocation... right after being horribly rude. Not to mention, that whole thing about outlawing Talos worship. I don't have an opinion on whether Talos is a god; but I just can't be down with stripping away that fundamental freedom of religion.

Besides, that officer armor is cool-- those gauntlets go well with ANY light armor, and who doesn't want to wear a bear-hat?







Sometimes fires don't go out when you're done playin' with them.

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They're both bloody useless, but since the whole thing is being stirred up by the Thalmor in the first place, and Ulfirc is very much a part of that plan...

There doesn't seem to be much love for the Thalmor or the Dominion in the Empire either (Rikke is very clearly against them), and I rather dislike Ulfric so I usually go Empire if I bother with the civil war quest at all. Still happily kill Thalmore though.

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Empire.
For one the stormcloaks are HIGHLY racisit (morely twoards anyone who isn't a nord). Im an argonian and when i walked into the palace of kings ulfric said "make it quick lizard n****". Also the empire would overthrow the thalmore THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME SIDE, THE EMPIRE NEEDS MORE TERRITORY FOR ALLIES! The stormcloaks also killed innocent children..... CHILDREN!!!!!! And ulfric would of died like the pig he was if it wasnt for alduin zu uz eh alduienafid.

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At what point did the Stormcloaks kill children...? oö

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"make it quick lizard n****".
lol just to clarify, he actually said the not so appreciated variation of negro?

...then whoa, differences...

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I usually go Stormcloaks. The idea of another government inviting itself into my homeland and just deciding it's in charge really burns me up, as does the whole Talos thing. Plus, I hate the Thalmor with a burning passion. I know that the Empire presumably turns against them at the end of the Civil War quest line, but I don't even want to pretend I'm on the Aldmeri Dominion's side. Now, I understand that the Empire was basically forced do do what it does and that it's really only occupying Skyrim to build it's numbers up to fight the Thalmor, but I just can't bring myself to side with them.

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Must have really burned when you found the Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak at the Thalmor Embassy during the party.

Spoilers (in case you didn't and want to look for it next time)

Finding out that both sides of the civil war were being manipulated by the Thalmor to keep the Imperial army weak (the army that would include Skyrim's warriors if there weren't a war on.) Ulfric wasn't a Thalmor agent, nor was he working for them. But the fact that they had him listed as an asset and someone who was at least in contact with them prior to his campaign in Markath doesn't speak well for him or his agenda.

Finding the Dossier didn't really phase me as much because in my first serious play I was basically neutral. Didn't bother with the civil war, even negotiated a peace (in the main quest) and after completing the game and both sides went back to war I was disgusted enough with both sides to not care. Like you I don't like the Empire enforcing the concordat and making Skyrim renounce Talos. But seeing the shape that Windhelm is in, and the opression it's people (especially it's non-nord population) suffer under... I have a hard time siding with the Stormcloaks too. In the end I just quickplayed through both sides of the war with a character I had already retired... and found out I wasn't really missing out on much by ignoring the civil war entirely. I have 5 complete playthrough characters now, and only 1 has finished the civil war.

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I lean slightly more towards the Empire because I really don't like Ulfric, and most of the Empire doesn't seem to be all that keen on the Thalmor either, but I agree with your points above. Going for the "tough decision, gritty choices" concept rather fails if the player's reaction is "to hell with both of you." I played through the Empire on my first character, created another one just to quickly rush through it on the Stormcloak side just to see what happens (although IIRC I never even finished that) and none of my other characters have bothered. I did feel bad about getting Balgruuf kicked out when siding with the Stormcloaks, he came across as one of the better jarls (wouldn't have minded stopping Irileth scowling at me all the time though).

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In the end I just quickplayed through both sides of the war with a character I had already retired... and found out I wasn't really missing out on much by ignoring the civil war entirely.


That's an interesting viewpoint. I was actually gonna side with the Empire with my newest character, since I only played as a Stormcloak before...

Now, tho, I'm thinking I'd rather just collect those few things I think are cool, and quit while I'm ahead. I'll just KEEP The Jagged Crown, get some Stormcloak officer armor (which I can just get by killing that Thalmor who is pretending to be a Stormcloak... ) and I am just gonna say the heck with it-- and not let Whiterun get permanently battle-damaged.


Sometimes fires don't go out when you're done playin' with them.

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not sure if it was a good idea but i just became part of the stormcloaks.
im a level 25 nord, and yet i have a long way to go into this game.

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I actually really envy you. You are just getting to the pretty good stuff. In my various plays, level 21 - 25 represent getting past the last time where you may be underpowered going into a fight. It's not that there isn't danger going forward. But it's more about getting overwhelmed, or caught in an unfortunate position or situation, not because you are taking on an opponent more powerful than you. That's the part of the game where the power fantasy begins to really pay off.

My first character I spent low levels around Whiterun, started off toward Ivarstead (following the summons) but wound up in Markath (after a drinking contest) and wound up tcb in that area for several more levels. I was at 22 or so hitting Solitude on the way back toward Whiterun. Walking through the gates of Solitude for the first time knowing that you may be the most dangerous person in the realm... heckuva feeling.

"Who built this f#(%!^g police station." -- Leon Kennedy

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OMG the drinking contest one - that got me so irritated when you have to go into that old castle keep with all the mages...

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I went with the Empire but only because they got to me first. To be honest if it's not for coin or Daedric respect it makes little difference to me.

"I want you to hold it between your knees" - Bobby Dupea

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After 500+ hours in the game, I went back to it recently and did the Civil War the first time.

I sided with the Empire, because that's who I wound up following at the beginning of the game, though I don't agree with their ban of Talos worship (but it is mentioned that they turned a blind eye to covert worship - Ulfric made things harder on folks by stirring up a stink.) Also, as my cat is from Elsweyr, he's probably familiar with the Empire.

As for Ulfric, I can't blame him for his stated views. As a Khajiit, I'm used to EVERYONE calling me names. And as for those Dark Elves complaining about how they were treated in Winterhold? Screw them! They've always been quick to demand that they have the right to enslave the "beast races", and they want to turn around and complain that the Nords didn't give them mansions to live in? When my current character slides down the moral scale far enough to join the Dark Brotherhood (another thing I've never done yet - I mostly just screw around in this game, because it's fun). I'm going to make SUCH sport of those b@stards .... Nords might not let the caravan cats into their cities, but at least they don't slap 'em in chains.

Neither side is a very good option, unless you're playing a Nord or an Imperial, I guess.

But as I have the bard mod, at least my cat can perform "Rogues in a Nation" at the taverns.

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Normally I love a good rebel faction, but there are three things that are dealbreakers for the Stormcloaks for me. The first is all the racism. That's not cool. The second is the whole being pawns of the Thalmor thing. The third and the biggest reason is that Talos was the one who conquered and united Tamriel and founded the Empire as we know it in the first place. For people who literally worship the man, the Stormcloaks are pretty keen to tear down his legacy.

As for Ulfric, my Breton battlemage considers him a good, honorable man, but just misguided. (You'll see him in Sovngarde if you kill him, so the gods must know something nobody else does)

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For people who literally worship the man, the Stormcloaks are pretty keen to tear down his legacy.


POW there it is. Talos himself would side with the Empire were he mortal again.

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Empire.
I like stormcloaks but they really are very racist and I'm sick of the grief I get for being an elf.

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I have played through the game twice and went Empire on the first and Stormcloak on the second. I have things that I don't like about both, but I immediately regretted siding with the Stormcloaks and kind of just fell out of that storyline. I played on the Empires story line all the way up until I was a Legate in their Army. I don't agree with outlawing Talos, but the Stormcloaks were extremely horrible to anyone non Nord. I was even playing as a Nord with no ill will directed at me, but it just rubbed me wrong the way that anyone else was a second class citizen to them. Plus Ulfric just annoyed me throughout the entire story line.

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Considering that Ulfric is basically Thorin Oakenshield with blond hair, the choice is easy. <<; (Also, the racism - considering that Ulfric was taken prisoner, tortured and half brainwashed by elves, he's got my greatest respects for still allowing them in his city considering he's basically an absolute ruler who went through some pretty traumatizing *beep* and has every reason wanting to get rid of them, innocent or not.)

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Lumping the innocent and non-innocent together isn't really the type of behaviour that gains my respect. Anyway it's the dunmer that are mostly present in Windhelm and the Thalmor seem to be entirely altmer (and I'm entirely with him on wanting to stamp out the Thalmor).

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True... though, technically, for someone who grew up in Skyrim it might be as difficult to tell elves apart as it is for the average European to be able to tell whether someone's from China, Japan or Korea. (No offense, but I've seen people make mistakes like that often enough.)
Also, aren't there Altmer in Windhelm, too? Niranye for example? Not to mention the dunmer seem to be partially in league with the Empire, considering that in the New Gnisis Cornerclub there's a whole set of Imperial armor and weapons to be found.

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There's the old altmer alchemist too. I see what you mean but dunmer do rather stand out, what with the grey skin and red eyes (I'm a bit disturbed that I find dunmer women rather attractive, but it's probably best not to go any further down that avenue!)

Didn't know about the Imperial armour, although I draw a bit of a distinction between the Empire and the Thalmor. The idea that you can only be rid of the latter by getting rid of the former though isn't unreasonable.

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Yeah, but considering there's what seems like imperial spies in the very capital of the Rebellion - that's still a pretty dangerous thing, I suppose, whether they're in league with the Thalmor or not. Technically, the Empire is a more dangerous threat to Ulfric's life and health than the Thalmor are, because the Thalmor are fine with Skyrim dissolving into chaos.

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I decided to support the Stormcloaks just because there's a Nexus mod creator that is making some post-civil war quest mods that follow a Stormcloak victory.

Thit and thpin!

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I usually pick Stormcloaks. No reason.

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