All that trouble...


For a kid who decided at the last possible minute that his "dream" was to go to Princeton. If it came down to him and a less gifted student that had been working hard their whole lives, I'm going with the less gifted kid. They've put the work in and probably have more to gain from a better institution.

I enjoyed the movie and I'm not saying he didn't deserve to have people fight for him, but they were acting like it was life or death or he was too fragile to handle the rejection of his two month long dream. He has to be pretty self-sufficient and resilient if he's educated himself to that level. Frankly he's probably smarter than most of the Princeton staff.

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I agree. And it is not all about being gifted. Some of the most gifted people make horrible students.

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Yeah, the irony is that Portia was fighting so hard to get another white male into an elite college. As if in the history of Ivy League schools, since the 1600s, there's been a shortage of that type of student.

Way to reinforce the stereotypes that certain students have unfair advantages and influential people who will bend the rules for them.




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Ironic? More like a weak generalization to fit a weak argument. The kid was a prodigy, not a white trust fund baby with legacy. His race had nothing to do with it.

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And no one ever mentions how he'll pay for it! They don't talk about scholarships, grants, loans, Stop 'N' Go sales, nothin'...

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I thought of that too. But scholarships in the Ivy League are entirely need-based, not merit-based. Looking at his financial state, and his parents, and his community, they'll probably offer him a good chunk of change, in addition to student loans I'm sure.

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There was another conversation (i.e. with another admissions officer to another parent or student) about getting financial aid. Once in, they (even in the film) will do whatever they can to get you to attend. We didn't have to see the whole process for this particular kid.

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Me, too! I thought that was a nice touch -- Portia turning into the type of mom she despised at the beginning of the film.

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I had a different take on this. J was over the top intelligent, so much so that he did not fit into the normal education system. As he said in the movie "I did not feel they could teach me anything ."vs ohr taught himself !

To me this is somewhat an indictment of our education assembly line - the dumbing down, the emphasis on classroom performance tests, the admissions process itself. Meanwhile we continue to lose ground on the world stage.

This kid was brilliant! He decided he wanted to go to Princeton because, probably for the first time, he found some peers he could actually talk to.

Yet, because he didn't fit the educational cookie cutter, he was going to be lost?

Portia's rebuttal to his lack of GPA was very weak. Princeton needed Jeremiah more than he needed Princeton. He could be another David Karp, Richard Branson or Steve Jobs, to name a few.

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Of course, he probably would not have made a good banker or lawyer. We sure need more of those!

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Those might be compelling arguments if you were talking about about a small business that hired 1-2 employees a year (taking chances on people who can turn your company around), but when you have a nationally institution that's been at the top that accepts 1000's of people a year from the best of the best, it's foolish to be taking chances. You're going to get great candidates no matter who you choose from if you go "by the book" so why push your luck? At that point, you just want damage control. And really, isn't fairness important as well? Make standards clearly communicated so that students have something to strive for, and that way nobody is cheated.

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I totally agree -- Princeton would really not have been the best choice for this type of student. I actually enjoyed this film more than I expected to given some of the harsh critical responses -- but I liked it because it afforded some very funny and very accurate insights into the college admissions process and its absurdly competitive nature (practically everyone in reality applying to the top twenty schools DOES have a 4.0 or higher weighted GPA, everyone has high SAT scores, everyone has special extracurricular activities, etc -- the competition is insane). So yeah Jeremiah's sudden interest in Princeton seemed a bit forced, and considering the fact that most college-bound students aiming for schools like Princeton have been working for it for years with exceptional grades and test scores also, Jeremiah would/should have been encouraged by a counselor-type like Rudd's character to look at the top liberal arts colleges. Still intensely competitive of course -- but the more intimate environment, combined with an off- beat sensibility (Macalester as one example), would have helped a student like Jeremiah "find himself" and adjust to a competitive college curriculum, workload, and environment.

Given the boy's quirky personality, the fact that he thrived when closely mentored (as in the case of his teachers at Quest who recognized his potential, the Russian philosophy professor, and also Paul Rudd's character), and his "quirky" unusual, sort of theatrical interests -- he seems like the ideal candidate for a liberal arts college like Williams or Amherst or Macalester -- he would thrive in the small-classroom atmosphere as opposed to the competitive lecture halls of the big universities. Even the smaller classes at the research universities have a "big" feel since the professors are research-oriented so their attention is mainly focused on publishing (this is not to say that they are not capable of being outstanding teachers -- I attended Stanford before I went to grad school and my profs were exceptional). My wife and I both have Ivy League Ph.D.s, and we are professors at a small (elite) liberal arts college -- and honestly we enjoyed this film -- it was a pleasant surprise, and the glimpse it affords into the college admissions process is quite accurate and probably good to show students so they know what they are up against. We kept saying that Jeremiah seemed like the perfect liberal arts college student, a brilliant "auto-didact" who needed some careful mentoring and an intimate environment in which to thrive. Not Princeton or any other big, competitive research university, at least not until he could hold himself together.

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Yeah, this movie really wasn't about getting Jeremiah into Princeton. It was about Portia and what she was willing to admit to herself about her own life and needs and wants.

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