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confused about the ending...


I'm pretty confused about what exactly happened at the end. Basically from the point of Samuel L Jackson making the claim that he was hired to kill owen wilson. Any insight would be appreciated.

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Here, let me help with your confusion.

His name is Luke Wilson.

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Right Luke Wilson...but you knew exactly what I was talking about so I guess it wasn't very relevant ;D. Thanks for the explanation, this movie was indeed a pile of *beep*

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No, they're not. By the second half all the ambiguities are dispelled and it's painfully obvious that Jackson's character is very much real.

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In a way. I mean in a poorly-written-thriller way.
Think about it - if they were really going for the "They're the same guy" and/or the dream scenario, shouldn't the movie just get weirder as it goes on? But it doesn't - it gets more conventional actually. Pretty much everything is shown and exposed. That Jackson is real, why he's there, how he got the new uniform, why he spared Wilson's life. It might be poor movie logic, but it's there.

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Yes, it does. It's the movie's way of telling you that Wilson has been finally broken. He's a meek fellow with a lot of pent-up frustrations who tries to be an upright man and protect his values (his family) in the face of evil (a deranged killer). Then it turns out the only thing that kept him going has betrayed him (his wife's assassination plot) and he's got no reason to be "upright" anymore. And for all I know Wilson probably proceeds to butcher his family that night while whistling that mad man's tune.

Again, I see no reason NOT to take this on face value.

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I absolutely agree with you, they are not the same person. If they were the same person Wilson would have had to magically teleport himself out of the jail cell and kill three people, then teleport back with out anyone even noticing he was gone. Plus his girlfriend would have to either be fake or schizophrenic too and the cops would have to believe her because she said she saw Richie.

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Heh. Actually it's a bit open to interpretation but here's my take on it:

SLJ's character seems to be the embodiment of evil - hence the movie title. Now he turns out to be a hired killer but I think there is more to his 'evilness' than just that and I think the whistling is part of it. No one knows how this character became this way but my theory is that he, his mind/body/soul/whatever, became possessed by 'evil' - a demon/the devil/whatever - at some point in the past and when he died at the end this 'evil' presence jumped into LW's mind/body/soul, hence the whistling at the end.

Now it could all be a bit more subtle than that and this whole 'evil' thing is metaphorical and not literal. You know, acts of betrayal etc beget anger begets hatred blah blah blah - you know the drill. All the *beep* that got poured on poor Luke with the final big fat doody being his wife's infidelity and her trying to have him killed just made for a bad day and he became an evil dude as a result.

But whatever - it's really not interesting enough to warrant even this amount of thought. T'was a generally poor piece of writing and film making.

Hope that helps.

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ooooooo i like the above reason for the whistling at the end! spooky. also, can we assume girl stood all day with dog is god just watching things unfold and leaving it for us to sort out ourselves?

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Not sure about who the child is but definitely her role is something to ponder over. What was she doing alone at night in the rain, and she cleverly avoided Sam then as if she knows the evil.

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@ gundam_dynames

lol
awesome !

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"can we assume girl stood all day with dog is god just watching things unfold and leaving it for us to sort out ourselves?"

God ? Dog ? This one is a real heavy one.

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ha, i hadnt even thought about the three letters!

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Well the kid is one of the few people Richy didn't off, I think the point of the character was to help us understand him a little better. Remember him mentioning the people he hated the most were people that shared the same traits he did? There second meeting he was testing her, she didn't give a typical bs answer and lie. She was honest and his mind he deemed that "good". I'm probably reading way too much into it.

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Excellent explanation. That's what I thought as well. SLJ is evil and likes to play mind games before killing. He doesn't hesitate to kill kids. John has taken over the evil role because he was the opposite normal nice guy before. This is more than a normal random killing movie.

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Where did you get that from? There wasn't even the slightest hint of John turning evil in the end.

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklin

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Not the greatest film but i took it as LW going to kill his wife, maybe later but soon. I didn't take away any real supernatural vibe from it. With a real budget could have been an interesting film. Jackson was great once he dropped the hammy bit about an hour in..

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i thought it was more metaphorical too and not 'super natural'. richie probably had experienced the same betrayal that turned him into a killer, then after meeting john, who might be similar to pre *beep* richie, richie went on and tried to 'guide' john into the path of the killer through the series of experience and the final reveal, maybe it was out of some twisted sense of sympathy or curiosity to see if john will 'snap' under similar situations, and in the end, john did, and thus continues the killer/mentor relationship with one of john's future victims.

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IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK...






so its like fallen with denzel washington?






spectre can

suck it.

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slj was hired to kill luke, luke kills him first and decides not to cooperate with the police when dealing with his wife, I guess he still has some feelings for her.

Not really that difficult to understand

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"I guess he still has some feelings for her. Not really that difficult to understand"

Yes just keep on living with the woman who hired someone to kill you and everything will just be like before again. As if nothing at all ever happened. Sure.

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If I was in his shoes, even I wouldn't know who to trust, the wife or Sam. I mean would you believe anything coming from the mouth of a guy as deranged as SLG? On the other hand, yes, I would be a tad suspicious of my wife after that and would have let the police question her. Then again the police were so inept in this movie, doubt they would have been of any help.

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklin

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No luke does not kill Samuel, the female cop (Tracie Thoms) shot Samuel in the back in the pool.

And i don't know whats gone happen when the movie ends, but it can't be good.

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I dont think there is anything supernatural in the movie, like slj being possessed by the evil.

luke was cheating his wife, full of debits, and the wife was having an affair with the pool guy, she planned to kill the husband, get the money from the insurance and continue living in her dream house with that guy.

In the beginning we see in the mirror slj car passing at the same moment luke is talking with the pool guy, later in the movie slj reveals the wife used someone else to contract him to kill luke. Its implicit the pool guy hired slj. Also, sj knew their names.

Now, its clear slj went directly in luke's house to kill him, but the little girl presence was inconvenient, so he grabs luke and somehow his psychotic twisted mentality become attracted by his target.

At the end we see luke having to deal with his wife, he just dont trust she anymore, but was not certain if she was able to contract a serial killer to kill him. he is confuse.

and the movie was bad directed

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I haven't read the book, but from what I've read about the book, the SLJ character was supposed to be "evil," and represent the chaos the main character's life had become.

This movie didn't go far enough on the subject. I thought there were some good moments in the beginning - some funny and just plain weird happenings that gave the movie some character. However they just seemed to drop all that for a conventional ending.

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It's pretty explicit. The wife had someone hire Jackson's character to kill her husband, because she was desperate. That's how Richie knew his and his wife's names. Ironically, Wilson's character, John, seemed to be contemplating suicide as he gazed into the unfinished pool like an open grave when Richie came knocking. Richie apparently observed this contemplation off screen and it bothered him. Being an unhinged individual he went about trying to 'solve' the issue that was nagging him. He wanted to open John's eyes and show him 'the world is evil' and he wanted John to accept that and become part of that world-view...then presumably kill him.

Richie is a sociopath and his reasoning is a bit obscure, but I think he stumbled upon John as he was about to off himself, and it made him think twice about the hit. He probably isn't capable of feeling sympathy, but something akin to it that confused him and prevented him from killing John and motivated him to educate John and lift the veil and reveal the world for what it is.

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Never read the book, but here's the problem I had with the movie: the Samuel Jackson character was a caricature. The Luke Wilson character was way too passive for protagonist. The wife had one good moment (when she reamed out the policewoman). There were no characters to empathize with and therefore no tension, especially at the end when (spoiler alert) the antagonist is in the house. As for the "whistling"... Some people think Samuel Jackson's character was a demon and it possess Luke Wilson's character. I'll be generous and say it's Luke Wilson's way of getting the gonads to kill his wife.

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How is it possible that the police could shoot SLJ then? Did that all happened in his mind too?

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IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK...




plus doesnt loke wilson tell the cop "she was my wife" and shortly after the cops are ta;ling and the older male cop says "hes going to do what i never could",meaning kill his wife.








spectre can

suck it.

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I thought it was pretty much what you saw. She hired Ritchie to kill John, he was extremely crazy, John was a wuss, and after all the %$#& hit the fan, they (sorta) lived happily ever after.

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He was hired by the wife to kill her husband (that's how he knew his and his family's names, and why the wife left the back doors wide open and took the kids to the park).

He lured Wilson out to his car. He was supposed to kill him when Wilson fell down with his leg injured by the car exhaust backfiring, but there was a little girl watching them.

Jackson used that moment to decide taking Wilson along with his little killing spreed to 'wake' Wilson up. Jackson could have killed Wilson and the little girl, but he was intrigued by Wilson's seemingly broken spirit to "overlook" them.

When Wilson realized it was his wife who hired Jackson to kill her husband, the wife got nervous. He surprised her by not letting the police take her in for further questioning. She still wasn't sure if Wilson believed Jackson's story or not. She seemed to know that Wilson knew Jackson had told the truth, so his lack of reaction was unnerving her. I think at this point, the filmmaker wanted us to think "What is he doing? Is he really that dumb or naive? Or was Jackson's claim a lie?"

She was very nervous when they got into bed. She asked if everything would be OK, his lack of response was the first clue that something wasn't right (throughout the film, he assured or apologized to any response)

Would he - like Jackson had been saying: "turn back and walk away from everything" - pretend the whole thing didn't happen? Or will he do something about it?

We get our answer when he whistled in the dark. Wilson had every intention to kill his wife some day.

Remember earlier when Jackson said that he and Wilson were a lot alike? This implies Wilson's passivity all this time had been suppressing his "true self". This was partly awaken by Jackson's killing spree. The last nail in Wilson's coffin was his wife's conspiracy to kill him as it had effectively brought out Wilson's "monster". Hence, the whistling. I guess the film was trying to give a fresh take on a saying: "it takes one to know one"?

That's what I think, anyway.

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That is the best explanation i have heard, you are right mcvillain.

Thank you mcvillain.

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Yes, it actually fits better into the context of the film than my supernatural interpretation. Thx!

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I like McVillain's summation of the movie.
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