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I can fix the ending! (obiously spoilers)

posted 12 years ago by cinemajunky
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I don't know why, but I seriously thought this was going to be a big Devil v. God sort of movie where SLJ was supposed to be the Devil trying to lure John (Luke Wilson) into killing him or something... The whole contract killer thing just doesn't make sense. The fact that John keeps running into all the people who had a hand in his downfall makes it seem like they've been put there for a reason.

And I still don't get the significance of the little girl with the dog outside John's home.

If they just got rid of the ending and went towards a more fantastical conclusion of entities battling over the soul of a man who can either end up damned or redeemed is a much better concept.
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[–] kadeskiss 12 years ago

I don't know why, but I seriously thought this was going to be a big Devil v. God sort of movie where SLJ was supposed to be the Devil trying to lure John (Luke Wilson) into killing him or something... The whole contract killer thing just doesn't make sense. The fact that John keeps running into all the people who had a hand in his downfall makes it seem like they've been put there for a reason.

I thought it was going to be a good vs evil like plot line too. Especially with Richie kept saying that John was like him,and than John found the boss who fire him and the girl he had an affair with in the same bar. I was sure that Richie was going to try to get John to kill them both or something like that. But I felt that they were there for a reason as well.

If they just got rid of the ending and went towards a more fantastical conclusion of entities battling over the soul of a man who can either end up damned or redeemed is a much better concept.

I thought so too. I thought that John was going to kill him wife ,and maybe Richie would turn out to be a part of John imagination, I thought that until the cops go involve. Than when he was at John's house telling John that his wife hire him to kill him. I thought John was going to kill her,and Richie would tell the police that John and him did all those murderers together,and that John hire him to kill his wife,or something like that. However I think the story would have been better if it had a different ending.

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[–] HugsFromLV426 12 years ago

Yeah, the first half of the movie seemed to imply that it was good vs evil and SLJ was devil of some sort. Oddly enough, him being human was even more unrealistic. These are my questions:

Why would LW get in a car with a strange-acting guy he didn't know?

Why could no one remember seeing SLJ? (a black man in a suit would be noticable in an area where almost all of the other people were white and casually dressed.)

Why did no one notice the muscle car that would stand out from a mile away?

How did SLJ manage to silently kill nine people in the convenience store?

How was the trucker able to determine who killed his girlfriend and track them down before the police, without some supernatural guidance?

Why would a hitman, who makes his living going un-noticed, draw TONS of attention on himself by going on a killing spree to torment/motivate a guy he was paid to kill in the first place?

What was the deal with the little girl walking the dog? I initially got the feeling that she was some kind of spiritual witness, but unless I missed something, her character went nowhere.

Not exactly a good vs evil question but: What kind of a police department would release their main suspect on the basis of a one sentence radio call that has not been verified? With great police work like that it is no wonder that SLJ could continue his killing spree unencombered.

And finally: Did LW's wife just happen to set out a container of ice for his scotch moments before he got home in case he wanted a drink?

[–] waspfan33 11 years ago

IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK...

i thought the ice being out there with the booze was odd too,maybe she had made a drink for slj?i mean he did like rattling the glass at the end and making her get him another drink.maybe thats why when he made the face at the kids they ran to bed lol maybe he was there earlier in the day?

spectre can

suck it.

[–] JimiCobain 11 years ago

"If they just got rid of the ending and went towards a more fantastical conclusion of entities battling over the soul of a man who can either end up damned or redeemed is a much better concept."

No, that sounds fu king stupid.

[–] cinemajunky 11 years ago

Because a completely unrealistic killing spree that just so happens to get blamed completely on the guy having the worst day ever makes a better movie concept than one that seems to make a little more sense based on the gaping plot holes left by the original concept.

Seriously? Either it makes sense because there's a more powerful hand at work or it doesn't make sense because of all the coincidences and idiotic plot devices that don't work. It's like they couldn't figure out organic writing and had a bunch of hack writers sitting around asking what more they could do to this guy - it's such a Job story it's not even funny. With that in mind, a good versus evil concept isn't far fetched.
I'm sorry that your small mind just can't wrap around that. Perhaps you should stick with the stupid ending, it seems appropriate for you.

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[–] JimiCobain 11 years ago

You have utterly no idea how I perceived the ending or the film in general. Thereby rendering your last post null and void.

There are many things I don't quite 100% understand about the intention of this film and the portrayal of it's characters, but therein lies the brilliance, if it could all be figured out and calculated so easily, it wouldn't be much of a witty film.

For you to think that the plot just simply "doesn't make sense" only means you personally did not get it, and that was the point. But you're one of those people, in the majority, that needs a conclusion, you need a definition, there can be no gaps, and I understand that, but it makes it almost impossible for you to grasp that there was something deeper being expressed in this film.

In the slightest of terms, I will give my perspective on one thing; I see Jackson's character as more of a representation of "evil", rather than an evil person itself, he was the epitome of evil, he represented the evil in both Wilson and Bibb's characters. As for the little girl out in the rain, I believe she was a representation of "good", and was left out in the cold as evil took over.

Also, there are many representations of the "seven deadly sins" in this film. Wilson's mistress on the side = Lust. The children and their massive bowls of mac and cheese = Gluttony and/or Greed. Plenty of Envy and Wrath all around.

I've only seen the film once, I may watch it again to hone my perception of it. Rather than simply giving up on really trying to figure it out as you obviously have.

Some stupid people make films and put utterly useless tidbits in them as filler. This was not one of those films, I truly believe there was an intent behind every character and every camera angle. It is the type of film I aim to create, one that confuses, but thoroughly intrigues. Hated by the ignorant majority, but respected by the wise minority.

To each their own.

[–] cinemajunky 11 years ago

So wait, my original post where I posit that the movie could have focused more on the struggle of good and evil over a person is "f cking stupid", but your idea that every single character is a representation of a Jungian theme is deep? Ok, you're an idiot and I hope you never get funding for a single project because that would truly be an assault on any audience that would be subjected to your "vision".

Gaping plot holes do not make deep thinking cinema.

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[–] JimiCobain 11 years ago

You truly are a fool.

[–] cinemajunky 11 years ago

I'm sure you think so, but, over the years, I've learned not to put any stock in the thoughts of idiots.

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[–] Walter_Skinner 11 years ago

That's what I thought they were going for as well. I would have preferred that ending.

We should learn from our past mistakes, so that we can make new ones.

[–] seans_life 11 years ago

At the beginning I thought after so much violence I thought there was the chance that Samuel L. Jackson was playing the Devil in disguise and no way did I think he was a contract killer at this point. What kind of contract killer goes out and starts killing all sorts of people versus quietly getting the job done ? None from what I believe.
Eh I guess Richie, played by Samuel L. Jackson, just snapped and lost it and could no longer do his job (strange plot) or uh well there is the possibility that since he was hired by John's wife I guess she didn't know much about picking out a contract killer and just hired someone cheap who said they would do the job and well the job definitely did not get done properly. (I will go with that second choice for the plot)
In regards to the girl I put my spin on it in another post. She saw the bad this Richie was going to do but couldn't say anything cuz she was afraid him but unlike John she has the ability being so young to change this in the future and later on in the film she goes up and talks with Richie in the police car. She knows he is a bad man but finds the courage to fight the fear to talk to him. Unlike John she shows the possibility of losing fear of things as she gets older. John in the end keeps his wife by his side cuz he is weak and will never change. Even though his wife set out to have him murdered he does nothing.
In regards to the ending of the movie I just would have had a few lines delivered quicker and had different camera angles and some quick close up shots added.

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