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Did Jake Ghaneilal take Steroids in this?


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Let the trolls of IMDb howl in despair for I have returned!!!

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That's sarcasm right?

With a capital /S.

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No they showed a feature on it during a real HBO boxing fight


What's a 2 min segment got to do with putting on muscle mass in under a year, wow they had cameras on him through one workout session and it looked hard.

He trained with real life boxers.


Not the key to gaining ridiculous amounts of muscle mass in under a year, if that were the case body-builders would take up a boxing/lifting regimen to gain muscle.

If that were the "secret" everybody would be doing it.

Besides, he wasn't even that muscular just cut and toned.


http://www.filmstart.si/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/jake-gyllenhaal-in-southpaw-wallpapers.jpg

nah bro, he is quite muscular

http://platform-online.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/new-movie-southpaw-was-created-for-eminem-but-heres-why-the-role-ended-up-going-to-jake-gyllenhaal.jpg

http://www.newnownext.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/jake-gyllenhaal-shirtless-southpaw-5.png

Especially in under a year he look like this in Nightcrawler.

http://www.vucutgelistirmetv.com/files/galleries/image14279003831427900383T62.jpg

http://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/2013/10/15/574/n/1922398/56f0d50f5d3ed896_FFN_Gyllenhaal_Jake_BTF_101413_51233475.xxxlarge/i/Jake-Gyllenhaal-Weight-Loss-Nightcrawler-Pictures.jpg

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_612x380/public/i/2014/10/30/nightcrawler_612x380_0.jpg?itok=ASkUnlFb

If you know anything about building muscle mass you would know its pretty impossible to pack on muscle like this and get lean in under a year without the help of some chemicals along with a nutritionist diet and lots of hard work.

Same with Matthew Mcconaughey looking like he has AIDS one year and ripped the next.

And Christian Bale looking this in 2004 then starring as Batman in 2005.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h386/unuk/christian-bale-machinist.jpg

http://cms.bbcomcdn.com/fun/images/2013/christian-bale-gets-super-buff-christian-bale-becomes-the-dark-knight-reskin-2.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e158/metafilteryodo/-1.jpg

Losing and gaining fat is easy with hard work. Acquiring muscle is hard and takes years to build and you do not get those levels of building pure muscle without some chemicals in your system. And getting lean with the amount of calories you have to consume daily, getting lean or "cutting" is a problem for weight lifters in that they may lose some muscle mass after bulking and eating like crazy to help pack on muscle, so when you say he was "lean" he lost muscle to get lean after bulking to help gain mass through eating as much calories he can on a daily basis. But saying that it takes a cycle longer than say 10 months to gain that much muscle in the first place.

Also working out natural or "natty" requires rest days for your muscles to recover and grow, without rest days you could get no where because your muscles are not rebuilding. So you are missing days a week resting your muscles and in the under a year race he had this all counts as missed days. Also working out all day doesn't help either, you get to a point after an hour or two where its counter productive for your muscle growth.

With steroid use you can workout twice a day 7 days a week and and you will make incredible gains. You don't need the rest periods a natty does which helps when you have 12 months and under to pack on muscle mass.

But its just easier to get your personal trainer to administer small regulated doses of steroids, test, tren and eating like crazy to pack on muscle.

If it was as easy as hitting the gym for a few months everybody would be ripped in under a year.

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he trained just like a boxer does and boxers are not aloud to take supplements/ steroids


He not a competing boxer in an organisation.

He is a hollywood movie star. they dont do random steroid tests for movie stars before they film scenes for a fake boxing match.

He trained with boxers so it looked convincing when he was filming scenes where he had to "pretend" he was in a boxing match and was a boxer.

Look at Floyd Mayweather, or Manny Paquio.


They are boxers who have trained all their lives.

Jake Gyllenhaal is a hollywood movie star who looked like a skinny rake not much more than a year earlier in the film Nightcrawler.

I think you are confused about real boxers and actors playing boxers in films.

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Look at Michael B. Jordan in Creed

Dude is ripped now. He was not like that a year ago


At least show me examples like I have kid.

Michael B. Jordan looks like he's been working out for years, and he hasnt had a role where he has to get super skinny and lose all his muscle mass and then get bulky gaining large amounts of muscle mass in under a year.

Here is is in Fantastic Four

http://37.media.tumblr.com/b37622d5c342a4e2e43f306c97f142ad/tumblr_muzwwplM3J1qdlrqyo3_r1_250.gif

http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/michael-b-jordan-that-awkward-moment51-624x4191.jpg

He looks great and its set him up extra nice for the push to Creed where he cut his body fat.

Your points are terrible bro.

Hence, my point about Leto who was skinny as hell and now is ripped to play the Joker in Suicide Squad


I ignored it because it was a terrible point. Along with your points about Mayweather & Pacquiao and comparing them to a hollywood actor.

First You say jake gyllenhaal wasnt ripped in this but call Leto ripped?

http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/media/193707/_original/1429965790/1035x1546-Screen-Shot-2015-04-25-at-8.00.41-AM.png

http://www.newnownext.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/jake-gyllenhaal-shirtless-6.png

From what I saw in the trailer Leto wasnt muscular at all to the level of jake gyllenhaal. Leto looks athletic, not bulky.

And your point about Leto in Dallas Buyers Club. It was filmed in early 2013, the trailer for Suicide Squad with the Joker was mid 2015. So he had more than 2 years to get some muscle mass but not that much looking at it, he doesnt look bulky at all.

Thats quite possible.

For gyllenhaal to go from one extreme to putting on a lot of muscle mass in under a year is quite extreme and unless he is a genetic freak its highly improbable without some chemicals to help him along.

www.vucutgelistirmetv.com/files/galleries/image14279003831427900383T62.jpg


But I'm just saying it's not hard to get ripped if you work out like crazy everyday.


Guess you didn't read the part of my post where it says a natty needs rest days for muscles to recover and grow. It becomes over training and it could be counter productive to your muscle growth.

Sounds like you know nothing about the muscle building process, it is hard, that's the point. If its not hard like you say it is in under a year everybody would go from skinny rakes to bulky in no time, its a long process without chemicals, it takes years of dedication and diet to make great gains, it slowly builds. Its not like gaining or losing fat by a long shot.

He had under a year with rest days needed.

I guess you know a lot about body building, some experience? Lets see your first year progress. Because apparently you have knowledge that its not hard to make your body grow muscle.

You have an instagram or facebook showing your progress so we could swap?

Inbox me it.

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you do realize that release dates aren't the same as actual film dates right? you seem to think that just bc a movie was released in 2015 that it was filmed in 2015.. not true.. usually films are filmed in a short 3-6 months and post production takes years to get right, some movies are filmed and sit on the shelf for years bc studios don't release them.. idk if he took steroids or not but it's possible that he looked like *beep* in 2012 for night crawler and started working out for the filming of southpaw during post production and still accomplished muscles withing 2 years.. southpaw doesn't quite need much post production.. not a lot of detailed scenes or big shots to get perfect..

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Disclaimer: Dont think im trying to dicredit Jake Gyllenhaal as an actor or a man, personally I think he is one of the best of his time and love all his work, personally I dont care if he took steroids or not, but in my opinion he did by looking at the growth rate and time period, so kill me for putting my opinion to the OPs question.

you do realize that release dates aren't the same as actual film dates right?


I did realise and checked, apparently you didn't.

in 2012 for night crawler and started working out for the filming of southpaw during post production and still accomplished muscles withing 2 years.


Where the hell are you getting 2012 for filming of Nightcrawler? And still, 2 years to build all that muscle mass is pretty good, but it wasn't 2 years so we shouldn't even discuss that timespan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightcrawler_%28film%29


Principal photography began on October 6, 2013 in Los Angeles and lasted 27 days.[12] Gyllenhaal lost 20 lb (9.1 kg) for his role.[13] The full production process took approximately 27 weeks from first shot to picture lock.


So lets assume final shots were April 13th 2014.
And it was released World Wide on 31 October 2014.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southpaw_%28film%29

On March 6, 2014, Antoine Fuqua signed on to direct, with Jake Gyllenhaal replacing Eminem in the lead role


He didnt know until March 6th 2014 so training started around then.

Principal photography began on June 16, 2014.


It was released WW on 22 July 2015 but was shown in China on 15 June 2015 (Shanghai International Film Festival).

So lets say Jake didn't hit the set until January 1st 2015 and that gives 6 and a half months to film all his scenes and edit which is the best possible time frame for your argument. Who knows he may have hit the set earlier but im feeling generous today.

March 2014----January 1st 2015.

That is under a year like I always said.

Even if you push him filming any boxing/top off scenes until March 2015 that gives them 4 months to film them, edit, post production and finish for China.

Thats still 1 year to go from zero muscle mass to looking bulky as hell which is quite improbable unless he is a genetic freak.



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you clearly left out "it's possible" never did I say it was! these people have the best of everything!

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also didn't mention make up and cgi, ya know to secure the look.. either emaciated or muscular..

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CGI making him look like that in under a year is more believable than being a natty.

Dont be so naive. Both of you havnt brought a single decent argument or point, backed anything up with evidence, both counter my explained points with non points and deflections and clearly know nothing, absolutely zero about building muscle.

If you do know something inbox me your facebook or instagram of your progress and I will show you mine.

southpaw doesn't quite need much post production.. not a lot of detailed scenes or big shots to get perfect..


Detailed scenes as in filming choreographed boxing matches?

You do realise those whole boxing sections would take longer than regular scenes to film, add sound and edit. And post production as in adding the crowd into the boxing matches because most scenes filmed in a ring nowadays are green screen backgrounds.

Its far more post production than any other scenes in the film. if not please tell me which scenes would take longer in all areas?

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A lot of people on here seem to take this personally for some reason..

I'm sure actors that go from skinny to cut in between movies are getting some enhancements.

Next thing you'll tell me is that Stalone and Arnold are on steroids!!? :P

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Finally someone see''s that im not getting at the actors. I was just replying to the OP with my opinion.

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But he also was generally much larger and lost weight for nightcrawler. Not even really that much. I don't think it's unrealistic to say he probably didn't take anything. You seem to be arguing hard that it isn't feasible.

Yes gaining size is hard, more for some than others, but I don't think it's as hard as you're making it out to be for him to have achieved that physique.

Christian bale on the other hand, yeah, clearly the guy is prepared to do whatever it takes to himself to get the right look so I don't doubt he would do something that absurd.

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Dude, check logic, check the dates, check how muscle growth works, check how much muscle he packed on in under a year and again check logic.

You workout brah? lets see your muscle growth in such a short space of time, lets see you in 1 single year and how much muscle you have packed on, forget it, i'll give you a year and a half, nearly double what Jake had to give your argument a chance. We can swap instagrams so im not just talking out of my a$$Hole like you schlubs sat on the couch thinking large amount of muscle growth comes easy within under a year.

If it comes that easy in under a year why isn't everybody doing it and looking bulked up?

because its hard, its called genetics, science and logic.

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yeah you're just 100% convinced that it's not possible for him to have done it, so I'm just gonna leave it there. Continue to be convinced that you have all the answers and are all knowing. Theory is all you've got.

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Bro! Do you even lift?

Thought not. Move along now.

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Yeh probably, also hard work a nutritionist, personal trainer and lots of free time.

But yeh, night crawler was filmed in 2014, he lost 20lb's for that. Muscles mass was down, skinny as a rake then a year later he builds all that muscle mass, bulks up and gets lean at the same time.

Its easy to get fat, but hard to build muscle and get lean at the same time in about year if that.

Pretty much impossible unless you are genetic freak, but most Hollywood stars seem to be.

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Some actors claim they get that athletic body through hard work, training, prayers and vitamins.

Other actors have been more honest about chemical assistance.

It's that man again!!

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Gyllenhaal lost 30 lb for Nightcrawler and put most of it back on for Southpaw.
I hope he didn't bugger himself up for later in his life.
Starvation is hard on a body.

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Of course he did. All actors that go from average looking to muscular/ripped in a short amount of time took steroids. Achieving that naturally takes a very long time, and rich people can't be bothered with waiting a long time when there's a movie to be made. Look at how fast Christopher Reeve bulked up for Superman. He was putting on muscle mass so quickly that they had to reshoot some of the earlier scenes because he was noticeably smaller than in his later scenes. Anyone who thinks that can be done naturally is naive.

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