Girls cleaning


When the clubhouse is first seen I joked to the person I was watching with that the girls were going to come and clean it.. Aand then that actually happened.

Even though it takes place in the 60's the emphasis on old-fashioned gender roles seems unnecessarily boring. The gender steretypes that are invoked/portrayed are even perhaps some of the most boring ones, like the girl always wearing pink when she wasn't at school (also why did she wear the same clothes in the flashback?) Thoughts?

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You seem to have missed/ignored the part where every one of the boys also cleaned the house right along with the girls.


"My name is Paikea Apirana, and I come from a long line of chiefs stretching all the way back to the Whale Rider."

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Yeah, the girls instigated the cleaning -- they didn't do the cleaning.

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Scarlett Johansson is Miss Peel, Clark Gregg is John Steed, but who the heck are the others?!

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It's kind of implied that the women are a super efficient cleaning force. Like that one scene where the girl puts the plaster on the wall while the guy is in awe. I have no problem with it though, it was pretty funny.

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Plastering isn't cleaning: it's a trade, mostly practiced by men on building sites, that the girl's father had taught her.

All of which makes a nonsense of the original post.

This film is full of modern ideas that are in reality anachronisms, but brings them in with flair and subtlety. That this goes unnoticed by some is actually a compliment to the writers.

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The bottom line is they brought in a bunch of girls to clean/fix up the building. The bottom line is the building was in a state of disrepair until the women showed up. You can try to argue these minor details but that is the general idea of what happened.

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Or, the boys were just bewailing hopelessly that the clubhouse was doomed, the girls came along, saw what was needed and took positive action. That OK as a role model?

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Sure if you want to look at it that way. I'm just saying the OP is not wrong. The first thing they do when they decide to clean it up is get some girls in there.

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No, the girls decide it needs cleaning and they get the boys to join in and do it. 'We boys will do the heavy work'. Still something of a gender stereotype, but at least it's a positive one.
Japan doesn't do political correctness, even now. It doesn't seem to do Health and Safety tyranny, either. Rather refreshing.

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This was based in 1964. Back then men worked women cleaned. The movie is simply being honest to he time period. It did go as far as to mix it up and every single boy was there cleaning right along side them.

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Well, you explained it yourself in your post, it's set in the 60s, and they wanted to made the movie realistic, so it can't be unnecessary. On the contrary.
There is the same thing in Mad Men for example. Except for some female characters, it depicts a society where it is normal that women are considered almost inferior to men, and don't have the same opportunities.

I'm in no way defending this position, but what is the point to set a story in the 60s if you have to cool down those very real aspects of that time? If it was a modern Disney movie, they would surely have not done the same, and gave the impression to see modern characters in a 60s context.

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It should not be news to anybody that men don't do a lot of cleaning. That's still true today.

Men might pitch in and do the cooking or something fun. That's still true today.

It's not a gender stereotype. For the most part, that's how it still works today.

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You also obviously do not know much about gender roles in Japan that even in the current society are a LOT more traditional than in the West. Even know a lot of women are expected to quit their jobs once married. It happens more and more than women do stay at work, but in most cases, they give up and stay at home.

On the top of that, you seem to miss the point that they came there not just to clean up, but to help boys save the clubs. They did it as an act of friendship, not to slave away for nothing. It helped build their community and it was a way to be nice to each other.

I think adding Western and modern perspective of this film is completely unnecessary, a lot of people seem to want to fit the films in very tight molds of what they think is right or wrong, which is a shame.


In the beginning there was nothing, and it exploded.

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I would also suggest that in Japan this view of women as house workers is not as outdated as it is in much of "the West". I have been to Japan a few times and on one occasion a women was laughing at me for making my own bed. I asked why she was laughing and I was told that it is because I was doing a "woman's job".

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I would also suggest that in Japan this view of women as house workers is not as outdated as it is in much of "the West". I have been to Japan a few times and on one occasion a women was laughing at me for making my own bed. I asked why she was laughing and I was told that it is because I was doing a "woman's job".

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In Porco Rosso, there's a scene where only womens build a fighter aeroplane

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Thoughts?

Old fashioned gender roles didn't distract me from the story.

Can't stop the signal.

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Gender roles are still progressing in Japan. Given that Japan has stereotypes for women and men, it would be hard to have a movie that doesn't reflect it in some ways. However, I really give Studio Ghibli a lot of credit for having many females as the main protagonist. There are many ways, I feel, this movie was proactive towards equality.

**Spoilers**

While the women did come to clean the club house, it was also a female's idea on how to save the club house. Both male and female students worked at cleaning a repairing the club house side by side. A girl showed up a boy when plastering the wall demonstrating skill in a male oriented skill. They requested Umi to come to Tokyo reflecting her equal share in responsibility. Umi is sorta of the breadwinner of the family. Her mother and her also want to become doctor's (and not nurses).

If you want to find gender stereotypes, you'll find it in almost every movie. I don't think this was a movie that leaned heavily on it.

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