Actually, i would say this is probably closer to the manga Remote than it is to Death Note. Where L is a major character in Death Note, he is by no means the focus of the manga/anime. Himuro on the other hand IS the focus of Remote and according to Wikipedia is :
"A genius detective who is assigned to the most difficult investigations. A year before the events of Remote, he lost someone dear to him and he shut himself in the basement of his house ("the crypt"). Since he does not leave his room, he needs a partner to do the legwork."
This almost perfectly describes Balagan as well.
Not looking to cause any arguments, just tired of people shouting Death Note the minute anything has "Detective" and "Genius" in its description.
You guys should consider reading something else than mangas. The idea of a recluse detective is not new. For instance it was used 40 years ago by Borges and Casares in "six problems for Don Isidro Parodi", where the detective solved cases from his prison cell. And in a way the idea is already in Sherlock Holmes : he was out only for the toughest mysteries, and even those were already half resolved before he set foot outside.
C'mon folks, it should be obvious. It's not copying any of those (including Monk, as someone suggested in another thread). It's a Canadian adaptation of Nero Wolfe, down to almost every detail.
Arkady = Nero Sam = Archie Alcina = Fritz Danni = Lily (or maybe they'll have Pippa move into that role. Too early to tell.) Hugo = Ins. Cramer
Now, the way they're going about it, I enjoy it, and consider it a nice homage, not anything I'd think of as a clone or ripoff, although in time there are bound to be some who jump to that conclusion (more's the pity for their inevitable shortsightedness).
Heh, and yeah, Nero once appeared briefly in a Manga. Case Closed, Vol. 17. :)
Indeed, and as I said, nothing new. Everything's a remix. Russian detective + chess game structure also evokes Akounine's Turkish Gambit. What's interesting in Endgame is the choice of chess master as a detective, but I was disappointed that the chess metaphor wasn't pushed very far. Hopefully they'll do better in the following episodes.
I have to agree except it doesn't have the charm and class of Nero Wolfe. The attention to detail in the period setting and faithfulness to the books made Nero Wolfe so much more than just another quirky detective show.
Still not decided on Endgame, will give it a couple more episodes...
It's hot... but not as hot as the night Johnny Viti got married...
I think comparing it to Nero Wolfe is a stretch -- beyond comparing it to any other amateur detective.
* Arcady = temporarily housebound due to trauma, Nero = can leave his house any time he wants, he just chooses to do so rarely * Arcady = young(ish) and hot, Nero = not at all * Sam = naive and kinda a nothing, beyond a half-decent chess player (tho that of course may change as the series developes), Archie = witty, charming, a very capable detective in his own right
Hugo & Cramer is the closest comparison, but that's pretty much the stock character for any professional detective foil for an amateur.
Does Endgame repeat elements from other detective series? Of course it does. But show me a detective that doesn't.
I think comparing it to Nero Wolfe is a stretch -- beyond comparing it to any other amateur detective.
So if I came out with a new detective show about a genius in a deerstalker cap who smoked a pipe and solved crimes through high levels of perception and observation, and was followed aroud by a medical doctor named, "Fred," that wrote about all their adventures, but made sure to cast someone short and fat for the lead and someone exceptionally tall and dashing for the support role, you wouldn't call it a Holmes clone?
Of course they're going to modify the individual characters to be unique for the respective show. Like, ironicaly, Chess, it's the type and placement of the pieces that tells you everything you need to know. They made a Nero Wolfe list, and checked it off, one-by-one, as they outlined Endgame. The characters are one thing, the characterizatons, which you're pointing out, are always going to be secondary and often curtailed to an individual show.
To say such things are important in proving something's not copying another would be like saying Stewie or Rick Moranis weren't playing spoof Darth Vaders in their respective parodies, merely because their short and geeky.
Go ahead, ask any mystery buff the basics, without giving specific identifiers:
"Hey, ever heard of a brilliant detective that never leaves the premises, has a young, energetic apprentice that does all the legwork, annoys the official authorities to no end, and has staff both running errands for him and helping on the case?" Jumble that up and modify it any way you want, but if you keep to the basics, you're gonna get, "Yeah! Nero Wolfe!" every time as a response, --or if dealing with a younger crowd, some of those alternatives mentioned in previous posts that I've never heard of. :)
So, yeah, I'm stickin' to my guns on this one. I know a blatant cookie-cutter treatment when I see one, excepting for the fact that I like it, and don't think of it as a copy as much as I do an homage (and it works. Ep 2 was much better than ep 1, so here's hoping they continue to get better and better).
I came here to post this exact thing, well maybe with a different wardrobe but the same body.
I used to listen to the radio plays and reading this thread saddened me that someday even Sherlock and Mycroft will be forgotten in favor of Det. Conan or Monk.
Gotta keep the hope alive that someone will be there to give a gentle nudge in the ribs and remind people of the origins of their favorite "new" characters.
And obviously, 10,000 orchids have turned into (somewhat fewer) chessboards.
Although Archie got the 1/7 ton (yeah, that's what Rex Stout said, altough all the dramatizations have him at 350-400 pounds) genius to taje cases BEFORE the bank balance hit zero.
So who is Saul Panzher? Fred Durkin? Orrie Cather? Theodore Horstmann? Marco Vikcuc?? Purley Stebbins? Lon Cohen?
Tis true that there is nothing new under the sun and the idea of a reclusive detective has been done before, but I couldn't shake the nagging thought in the back of my that kept screaming "Life! Life! This is just like Life!"
Shawn Doyle even looks like Damian Lewis. He's a lot like Sherlock on the new BBC series, but everything else is eerily familiar. From the way it's shot to the dialogue between the characters. Everything reminds me of Life.
It's probably just wishful thinking on my part since Life was cancelled or just weird happenstance. Either way I'm still a fan.
The show was quite different from the genre, since most of the crimes turn out to be more benign than they first appeared. Certainly not like classic mysteries, with a murder and red herring and a catch.