...and Carrie's response is to drop everything and immediately start passionately defending Muslims from extra T.S.A. searches? What? Is there a missing season or something?
shareHopefully she is just honey potting the Muslims. Once she finds out their evil plans she will drop the hammer.....Carrie style. Don't forget they also killed Brodie, the father of Franny. I don't think a sane person can forgive the Muslims for that. I really hope Madame Dunbar and Carrie have a face to face battle
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I don't think a sane person can forgive the Muslims for that.
Don't forget they also killed Brodie, the father of Franny. I don't think a sane person can forgive the Muslims for thatBrody was a Muslim until the day he died. He was washing himself and said his prayers before he spoke to Carrie for the last time in his jail cell. He also strapped a suicide vest on and after it failed once, he went back and fixed it to give it a 2nd go until Dana called him. But he and Carrie loved each other and he is the father of Frannie--so that made him an okay former terrorist. I thought it was crystal clear that he was Muslim until the end.
I have not watched the episode. But the only reason to keep RF/ Quinn in the show is a forced romance. If he is no longer capable of being an assassin, why else would his character be on the show except for a personal relationship with Carrie.
And that is an excellent point about Ottto. Regarding Quinn . The character has expressed suicidal ideation and made attempts so why not just attempt again?
The writers are very inconsistent with their storylines. Now Carrie is a champion of civil liberties? Considering she was yhe drone queen I don't buy it. Nobody could shift that fundamentally. It's too extreme.
I agree with all you wrote kdf31. You will hate the first episode.
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I probably will hate the first episode. So true. I have no issue with the story locations changing every season. Plus, NYC is an incredible place, who wouldn't want to see the shots of that city?
What I do take issue with is the complete fundamental shifts in the character story arcs and personalities.
It sounds like Carrie has been completely re-conditioned into somebody else. Carrie ordered bombs to be dropped on hundreds of people, found God and now she is an advocate for civil liberties, despite not being an attorney and having no real knowledge of the people she is advocating for.
She actively pursued terrorist cells for over a decade, but avows to now hate the CIA and everything it stands for and again 'is not that person anymore.' Telling Dar Adal to 'stand down'. What a hypocrite she is.
Come on, that is not consistent writing.
I hope that Astrid appears this season. Maybe Astrid will make the show better?
Also Considering how poorly the writers incorporated Quinn in Season 5 (recall that the character disappeared from scenes with the other characters as the season went on), I wonder how he will be utilized this season. It's incredible to me how definitive the writing last season was as it pertained to his medical condition. If the writing had been less definitive, I can see him coming back now, but, the language was so dire.
Bottom line: I hope the writers give Quinn some dignity and some happiness!
That's what I thought. I was SURE Quinn was dead. The doctor said if he survived the damage would be "profound." I though Quinn would never want to live that way and Carrie KNEW it so she "helped" him. Guess the ending with the light through the window was more ambiguous than I thought. Whatever.
Now, Quinn is damaged, but IMO not "profoundly." Maybe seriously, significantly, whatever. But he's functioning much better than I ever thought he could. I mean, I know doctors can be wrong but still. He was injected with a killer poison and then awakened from a coma in a dangerous manner. Then in a coma again. Jesus.
I love Quinn and I am not sorry he's alive but I question the motives of the writers and I am vey skeptical of how this is happening right now.
I also am struggling to square Carrie The Drone Queen with Carrie The Mum of One Who Has Decided to Help Victimized Muslims.
She openly said either to that dishy lawyer running her group or to The Billionaire in a kind of quick throwaway line how she was coming more and more to sympathize with the Muslim causes or sumsuch and change her mind about a lot of things she'd done.
I too wondered if she was working undercover for Saul. But she made it SO clear last year she was through with Saul and his work. So, probably not.
Last year too with Franny she started to re-order her priorities. So it's not that farfetched that she might change from her globe-trotting hard arsed role to be there for Franny.
But to switch up all of her long-held sentiments and life's work with the mommy-duty changes?
Maybe. But it's harder to grasp than simply a job change to accommodate parenting. She could have taken a desk job with Saul. But she's gone off the reservation entirely.
Gansa seems always to be basing his characters on people he's known or heard about in his interviews with real-life folks.
Makes me wonder if Carrie's journey is based on some real woman (or man) who went this route.
I swear I bet Gansa and his folks rue the day they EVER decided to get Carrie pregnant and let her have that kid without a sad miscarriage or something!
That changed every possible aspect of the way they had to begin to treat the Carrie character that everybody knew---and virtually turn her into somebody else altogether over the past two years.
Sure, characters grow and change in tv.
But change beyond all recognition (well, except for the "crazy eye" tantrums. haha!) is dangerous in tv shows.
People learn to like their characters. Carrie as an office worker advocate and mummy with nanny is something to process if we enjoyed watching her before. Right now, she's a crashing bore--tv-wise. So is this a phase? Or permanent?
Oh well, we'll see where they go.
But I'm not heartened by this first outting. Or Gansa's interview in which he states he is interested in exploring victimization of Muslims in the show. It sounds very one-note and not highly engaging.
>>I swear when she locked Quinn in the basement apartment I thought of Bubbles on "The Wire".
You're allowed to think it. So did I. But to actually bring up The Wire on a message board is anathema. They can confiscate all your personal belongings for it, so I hear.
I thought of Bubbles on "The Wire"
Yes! haha
Having seen a great deal of true quality tv in the past 50 years or so, there are just a handful of series that stick out as having so many "greatest moments."
Having just experienced "The Wire" (finally!) this past year, it ranks up there in terms of having the most "greatest" moments.
That scene with Bubbles was classic. If I had the time, "The Wire" deserves a complete "rewatch," haha. Going through the first time, there is SO much to absorb, it's hard to take it all in.
I liked some of the comparisons/contrasts we had on the "Berlin Station" board. With regard fo Hector.
Carrie has been defending the innocent muslims for the whole last season already. It's not a surprise this plot is being continued, she clearly said she is not coming back to the CIA.
You know, there are just some people who don't start hating the whole group of people just because a 0,00001% of them have killed somebody.
It's the 30% who say either it's perfectly OK to do so or turn the other cheek to let them 'carry on' that are the problem.
Then again, I understand that like in gang/mobbed up neighborhoods, it isn't safe to say 'hey-knock that crap off-you're makin' us look bad!'
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