Pistols?




Kinda surprised that some of the GIGN used .357 revolvers in the movie. But I checked it out and sure enough, they do in real life because they can withstand so much punishment and shooting. The Beretta 9mm that the US Army and NATO use had issues with catastrophic slide failure at a relatively low number of rounds. Its not usual for GIGN to fire 250,000 rounds in a lifetime of one of those revolvers, something no semi auto pistol could withstand without being rebuilt. No question about the stopping power but only 6 rounds and much longer to reload is why the majority of police units no longer use revolvers.

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Manurhin mr 73 (3 1/2 to 8")is a classic in France, first because its a very reliable weapon of high quality contruction and finish, and extremely accurate, not to mention the GIGN is probably one of the best school of elite shooters in the world, and in this case one well placed shot is better than two clips out of the target.

GIGN weapons:
http://www.gign.org/groupe-intervention/?page_id=652

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My impression is they are used because they are accurate and cheaper in the long run to maintain because of fewer moving parts and the barrel is cold hammered steel which is very resistant to wear. They shoot 150 rounds a day with their pistols and that adds up. I also got the impression now that the GIGN can carry pretty much what they personally prefer. The one SWAT sniper I personally know prefers a Sig .40 for his handgun because its so accurate. And when it comes to abuse, when Glock does a presentation for their pistols they go to the roof of the police station, throw a set of their guns off the building as far as they can, gather them up and take them to the range for the police officers to try out.

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I could make a thousand characters post but it is still too little, so lets take only one or two examples:

For me the first important thing in action is "identify your target", with a MR-73 you have both Single or double action and a very different pressure depending on the position (back in the days pistols didn't had this feature) so you can manage two different sorts of reaction and stances when you have the finger on the "trigger" ("queue de détente" in French), and also the safety of the firing of the shot with a cylinder instead of a bolt, stay in mind most of the time the work of GIGN is to deliver hostages and the ultimate goal is to finish an intervention without any wounded or dead (on both side), and the hostages are often very close to their abductors.
For the anecdote one of the training routine is a dark room where ppl (guests or members of the GIGN) are very close to target cardboards which represent their captors, the goal is to incapacitate the "bad" cardboards in a minimum of time.

Finally, the main drawback of revolvers is forcing the shooter to use the double action if he wishes to fire quickly and / or at high speed. However, many weapons have yet prestigious trigger mechanism which "scrapes" horribly on double action. This defect is added to the hardness of departure and the length of the expansion stroke. This results in a significant impact dispersion. However, during an operation, accuracy is imperative and stray bullets unwanted ! In the 1970s, Manurhin generates an amazing feat. The trigger mechanism of the MR-73 has a quality "match" in single action, and offers a stunning smoothness and regularity in double action: shooting fast and accurate with DA is possible!

MR-73 3"
Traditionally, revolvers come in different versions: Compact, with a 3-inch, through a 4-inch, and long with a 6 inch barrel. The MR-73 features 3 inch, 4 inch and 5 inch ... ¼. The differences in performance between 6 inches and 5 ¼ inches are not significant, but important detail, the MR-73, shorter "nose stings less." Holding the weapon is made much more natural and more comfortable aiming. Suddenly, the accuracy is improved to use.

GIGN motto: "Saving lives in defiance of his own"

few translated quotes:
Christian PROUTEAU (first commander of the GIGN 1):
"From the beginning, I took that as a goal, whether to hit a man, it is with one bullet, or maybe two shots. Three is a waste or it's clumsiness and in this case, it is necessary to change jobs."


"The use of weapons should be a last resort. And if there is use of weapons, shooting to kill is not an end in itself. When you can neutralize the opponent without the kill shoot, death should be avoided."

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I've owned many hand guns and in the 90s owned a Dan Wesson .357 which in the 70s and 80s was used by the top competitors. Now my favorite is a well broken in
Ruger P90 .45.

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2703 lol fail, anyway bye thx for the discussion.

The good weapon is the weapon you are comfortable with.

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Yep, I agree, any weapon you are comfortable and shoot well with which to me was surprising when I picked up this Ruger, is the best.

As for the Dan Wesson, there are threads all over the Net about how well they shoot.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/124654-opinions-dan-wesson-357-a-2.html

http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/01/03/handgun_reviews_wesson_041306/

http://www.sixguns.com/BookOfThe44/bot44c31.htm

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Even in this movie you can see how ridiculous a revolver is for a firefight. Why not make them wear berets into battle too?

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I also reacted to this but I am a noob in these matters.

I can understand from a tactical pov that they want to use 357. for power and a revolver for precision and durability. Perhaps these guys count on the fact that the situations normally just longs for a few seconds anyway.

But reloading a revolver in a hostage situation? Perhaps they carry a seconday pistol, sig or USP? I think one guy did switched actually.

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