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Do we really need more glorifying of murder in the name of the USA?

posted 10 years ago by shoutatthesky
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Don't get me wrong - the subject of this film and many of his comrades are not bad people, (although some of them are) but they are ignorantly (and often unquestioningly) carrying out the evil, murderous and greedy intentions of people who care nothing about the sacrifice of these men. Afghanistan is a complete mess and certainly no better off for the attempts of the US and the rest of the ISAF. What have they achieved? Drug abuse is rife amongst Afghans of all ages - even little children, the Taliban are still just as keen as ever to turn the place into an Islamic time-machine, and tens of thousands of Afghans are dead and many many more injured. The psychological effects of an extended war are already eating away at Afghan people, their social fabric and their culture. It is anybody's guess what the future cost will be in suicides and other PTSD related tragedies (both for Afghans and ISAF personnel.
Ultimately, the only people who have benefited from the whole evil exercise are death machine dealers such as Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, General dynamics, Boeing, etc. etc. This documentary and films like 'Lone Survivor' are nothing but propaganda for the arms industry and their friends in the governments of the world who swap gold for blood to be spilled and do so with a smile on their face and a glass of champagne in their money and blood stained hands. How about instead of this propaganda we instead see a film where they all lose their jobs and houses and then lose their cases at the war crimes tribunal at the International Criminal Court? Now that would be worth watching!
Soldiers like "Murph" may not be evil but they are either brainwashed or too stupid to realise they are being used to fund the lavish lifestyles of an international cadre of greedy psychopaths. Please stop glorifying the murder these poor brainwashed soldiers do to innocents and instead tell the people of the world who the real enemy is and how we can (metaphorically) kill them or put them in very small prison cells for the rest of their days. All we have to do is question for ourselves the official rubbish our governments spoon feed us and refuse to support their evil money-making enterprises. The truth is out there for all to see but you won't find it in this documentary.

[–] griff_consortium 10 years ago

Do we really need Liberal Sugarbritches trolling a hero's coat tails?

[–] shoutatthesky 10 years ago

Yes

[–] libertarian45 10 years ago

Imbecile. You're not entitled to lick the boots of a MAN of Murph's calibre let alone call him stupid and attempt to diminish his sacrifice. Idiots like you just don't get it. Men like Murph have honour, extreme courage and fortitude that you'll never understand. This film (and Lone Survivor) are not meant to be propaganda - they're meant to tell the story of and honour extraordinary people. People who step forward, pass one of the most gruelling courses in the military and volunteer for extremely dangerous missions to protect your right to free speech.

I've done 2 tours in Afghanistan. I'm not naive or stupid. I know what it's about and I know what we've achieved.

You're just a POS who should pop over to Kandahar and hang out with your Taliban friends. Perhaps you can lecture them on morality...idiot!

[–] shoutatthesky 10 years ago

Protect my right to free speech? Um, that is something I was born with. I don't live in a country like the USA in which people feel they need basic human rights to be law before they are entitled to them.

I don't deny that it takes a certain amount of discipline and strength of character to attain a position in the special forces but honour? Sure, as far as their team mates are concerned I am sure honour is a big part of it, but as far as what they are actually doing - serving a government that operate solely in the interests of the rich and powerful and the environment be damned - there is no honour in that!

I'm no friend of the Taliban either. I'd happily go into battle with the armed forces of either side if it was required to protect my country, IN my country. Just because your enemy is evil it doesn't make you righteous.

[–] CGSailor 10 years ago

You know it is funny how all these trolls always talk sh!t about the USA and talk about how "THEIR" country is so much better but never ever mention what country that is?

So what Utopia are you from you damned stupid troll?

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

[–] jonesc460 10 years ago

Do we really need Liberal Sugarbritches trolling a hero's coat tails?

How is he trolling? By being critical of this documentary?

[–] craig-s-smith 10 years ago

I am a military veteran and very proud of it and my service, and I will give you my perspective on this - purely from my background and thought process of why I joined, served and the pride veterans have in what they have done.

Basically, the world is full of evil, brutal people. You can look back thru history and there has never been a elongated period of peaceful coexistence. Left to the ego, greed and pursuits of evil men the world either is or would be a very brutal place to live. While you may criticize some or much of what the US military does, without it's threat or presence there would be much less civilized behavior within and between nations, races and peoples. The threat of military action keeps many evil people in line. The country that you live in is probably much more peaceful and civilized than it would be if there was no threat of US military action on people who want what you have. Stopping and oppressing evil is what we believe we will do and most times we do. Unfortunately, it isn't always that easy and stuff happens. That is just the nature of the world. As we used to say "peace is like sausage - everyone loves to partake in it but few have the stomach to help make it". The peace you are enjoying is because we are making the sausage and it is people like Lt. Murphy who serve it up to the world everyday.

[–] shoutatthesky 10 years ago

Thankyou for your non-emotive and considered reply. The US has undoubtedly been instrumental in maintaining peace through much of our recent history. However when one looks at the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq can you honestly say that it has all been about maintaining peace? Certainly in the case of Iraq the country is no better off overall and the reasons for going there seem to have had less to do with peace and more to do with security of resources. One could argue that it is not the job of the US to be the world's policeman and that they are far from having the moral integrity to decide how the rest of the world lives. My mother always taught me that two wrongs don't equal a right.

[–] craig-s-smith 10 years ago

I served in the Middle East, Gulf War 1. Again, you will have your own exposure, experiences and beliefs that will lead you to believe one way or the other. When we first got sent to the gulf I was pretty much a sceptic who believed that we were sent to protect the oil. It didn't take long to see, at least in our eyes, that we were there for more altruistic reasons. If you saw what the Iraqi regime had done to the Kuwaitis and the Kurds you might have a different opinion. We had Kuwaitis who were attached to our unit who were the last members of their families alive. The rest had been tortured and slaughtered by the Iraqi military - didn't need to be done as they had all surrendered but the Iraqis did it because they enjoyed it. Their sisters were brutally raped multiple times and then had their throats slit. It was horrific - and we stopped it. The civilized Iraqi's were thrilled to be liberated from Hussein - still are. The problem is there are a number of other equally evil people waiting in the wings to take over ruling thru terror and torture. Solutions aren't simple and in life they rarely are.

Afganistan - now that is another story. I didn't believe in that from the beginning but a soldier serves regardless and once you get shot at politics pretty much are off topic.