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One film, then second film the last 10 minutes?


I thought the last 10 minutes were very intense and well made, but I felt this shifted so far off from the rest of the film, why am I the only one that feels this way?

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you're not the only one. it's clear this director is STUPID and doesn't know what he is doing



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What are you talking about? I thought the whole film was leading up to exactly that kind of freaky ending. Once that weird woman at the dinner party did that thing in the bathroom it was obvious where the film would go.

I thought the film was good, much better than most modern horror/thrillers. The acting was good and more real than most similar films.

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the film was good,entertaing,neil masckell excellent as usual.the ending just confused me,the employer was one of the cloaked people,why was the lad killing his wife.it went from a cracking film to 15 minutes of confusion at the end.

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I completely agree. People seem to have a problem with either being misled, being confused or being let down by their expectations. It's not the filmmakers' fault YOU expected something different.

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Nope. You're stupid for not being able to understand what the directer did.
The irony is embarrassing.

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by BeOneOfUs
ยป 6 hours ago (Fri Sep 11 2015 12:37:45)

Nope. You're stupid for not being able to understand what the directer did.
The irony is embarrassing.

you're so stupid you don't even realize you just complimented me, lmao

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I didn't. You're delusional.

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see what i mean. lol

you still dont see it

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Enlighten me then.

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Obviously it's intended to be different - isn't that obvious??!?! :)

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Yep. It's a shame that experimental film is berated so much by mainstream viewers. Ironically, big budget films have to stick to a boring formula in order to (hopefully) guarantee a financial return whereas low budget films are made by people with a passion for the art form.

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That fits with something the director said in an interview shown after the film just now. You can't make films like this on a big budget because certain ways of doing things are expected. (He does work with bigger budgets.) In fact a film like this doesn't need a bigger budget.

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different, but that doesn't make it good

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No, but the tone is meant to shift, does shift dramatically, and personally I think it's a very good film. Some people will like it some not.

It is a genre mix. The hitmen are unglamourised and the cult isn't completely implausible, though they inhabit a kind of different world and there's a conspiracy to do something to Jay. For me it's great in exploring the possibilities of that.

It's sort of Nil by Mouth meets Wicker Man, but maybe I just haven't seen enough films to get better references.

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I guess my main complaint is there is NO foreshadowing whatsoever to the darkness that bursts through the film (which up until that point was basically a buddy buddy assassin film)

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You're absolutely right, arizona - when the 2nd bloke's girlfriend/wife took the bathroom mirror off & carved that symbol into it, I was thinking "ok - where's THAT one going?" ....

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The music throughout the film was foreshadowing the ending as well. It was always dark and creepy.

It's also 3 different films if you think about it. The first act is a family drama, then the second is a crime drama and then the last becomes horror. I thought the different styles in this film were the films best strength actually. It was really something refreshing to see something like this being done as you don't see it too often.

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The entire movie is foreshadowing.


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I guess my main complaint is there is NO foreshadowing whatsoever to the darkness that bursts through the film


There is. Obviously, you just didn't pick up on it. Watch it again.

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I guess my main complaint is there is NO foreshadowing whatsoever to the darkness that bursts through the film

"NO foreshadowing"...Are you kidding?

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Your right .

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I felt the same way. I also thought it was all a tad predictable, although I didn't see it happening precisely that way.

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I didn't think it was different or original, just sloppy and a bit of a desperate twist. These pagan twists are very common in British cinema and it is a fascinating part of our culture, but this didn't seem particularly well thought out or remotely researched. Tbh, I thought it was just a testosterone driven British thug tale which openly borrows elements from famous grindhouse horrors and some of Europe's psychological thrillers of the last decade. Putting a Wicker Man twist at the end does not take it 'over the mainstream viewer's head' nor make it original. It probably could've made it more interesting had it been handled better, but unfortunately I don't think this director has yet found his feet in the world of feature length film-making.

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I liked the ending, I just can't wrap my head around why Jay's wife kills all those people with the silenced pistol. It doesn't make much sense, does it?

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Why she shot the shady characters that lit fires around her house, and silently attempted to enter her house, to kidnap her and her son and, if her husbands experience the previous night was any indication, hang and kill them in some kind of sick ritual? No idea, weird huh?

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That's not the point I'm trying to make. In the end, the wife is bleeding to death and after her son is already killed, she laughs maniacally and euphorically, vaguely insinuating that she might've been a part of the cult for some time (probably from being recruited by her friend Fiona). If this is the case, why would she shoot her cult members? Was it because she loved her family more than her religion? If she really was innocent in all this, how was she such a good shot? And how was she such a cold-blooded killer (i.e. no emotion or remorse after shooting people in their heads).


Apparently the director said she laughs in the end from sheer shock and disbelief, however I think that takes away from the film. Why would he clarify the ending so transparently? That would be like Scorsese, in regards to Shutter Island, saying: 'Just to clarify the ending, Leo doesn't know he's crazy.'


I get the irony of it all: the husband becomes more and more violent after he has a taste for blood. He gets marked down by the cult-member Fiona after he abuses his wife, presumably because Fiona saw potential in his increasingly aggressive nature. His violence ends up killing/sacrificing his own wife and son, as planned by the cult, and now he is the new cult leader. The cult members wanted someone ruthless to take control of their ritualistic traditions, and knew he was cold enough to take that role.

But why explain the ending in black and white if it literally takes away from the film? So I'm supposed to believe she's some normal housewife that laughs when her son is stabbed to death by her father? Now, the audience is left with no imagination and no ambiguity to analyze. Note that all the classic novels are left ambiguous; that is because we like to look into things and use our imagination to tie the story all back together. However, when a movie's ending, which is filled with plot holes, gets explained that there is no deeper meaning, it really is a shame. So, instead of guessing that the wife might be some kind of ex-hitman in secret, I'm supposed to believe she picked up a gun for the first time ever and gunned down several intruders with pinpoint accuracy and with complete composure?

My theory was that the cult recruits killers, and that she was an ex-hitman in secret; when a cult finds out your loved one is also a killer, the two of you are placed into a deathmatch, as a means to say: You are your worst enemy. The loser would be the sacrifice (an honorable death, which might explain her happily laughing) and the winner gets crowned the new leader, for having sacrificed your own loved ones. She knew they would try to capture her and her son for the deathmatch, so she tried to kill them off with the pistol. This theory would explain almost every plothole, but I guess I'll try and fathom how a normal loving mother would emotionlessly gun down several men and laugh when her only child gets stabbed to death...

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there is no deeper meaning, it really is a shame.


Personally I don't think that's a shame at all... Maybe the deeper meaning is that there isn't any deeper meaning. Or that we are not privy to it. Or most of us aren't....

Loved this film its very thought provoking. I used to have a girlfriend who, during intense arguments, would sometimes burst into laughter. She didn't know why (but was it ever infuriating!). Point being there is plenty of latitude for interpreting Shel's laughter at the end.....

To me it seemed that the whole purpose for building the relational foundation of the movie in the beginning was to set up the ending. The two (Shel and Jay) clearly have a close bond but also an emotionally unstable one, and its center is their child. It seems to be clear that Shel knows her husband was a hit man. Not sure why many here seem to assume she didn't. AND she wants him to work.... which he hasn't done in 8 months. The irony of course is that to a degree her nagging is what causes her fate, and his violent and emotional nature his. These facts and the sheer horror of her end send her into manaical laughter... It makes sense to me that the director wouldn't want that missed.

FYI haven't seen Shutter Island but I guess now I know the end - please be considerate with your spoilers....

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Oops sorry about that. If it helps, that isn't actually the ending, but a mere interpretation.

I can somewhat fathom the maniacal laughing by the wife but how is she a perfect shot? She guns down several 'professionals' with pinpoint accuracy in the pitch dark. This goes back to my theory that she is/was in fact once a killer, which would explain her skills and the fact that she encouraged her husband's job. But even an ex-hitman would be rusty and/or hesitant with her shot, so my theory is far from filling in the holes. In either case, this is rhetorical because I'm giving the film too much credit for being deeper than it really is.

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It's discussed early on in the film that she was in the Swedish national service, so probably had weapons training. Also her husband's a *beep* hitman, he probably taught her a thing or two.

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okay, i will give it another go


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okay

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wait a minute! you called me stupid, but MINE was a cheap shot?

wow


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The whole point is he's falling down a rabbit hole. It's getting darker and darker as they story progresses. It starts with a funny duo killing the priest to a nasty triple violent murder spree. The guy is getting crazier and crazier. The ending was clearly planned all along.

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You are correct in that the ending was clearly planned all along. So much so that it is evident to me, the ending is what they started with and worked backwards. This is why there are so many forced connections. There is grossly insufficient meat on the bones of the story to excuse the heavy handed bombshell ending.

Don't get me wrong...I like the movie quite a bit. It's just not very good. I like lots of bad movies, like most of you do.

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