A Serbian Film Rip Off
After almost 30 minutes I guessed the ending...
Not bad movie, but in my opinion, script ripped off some basic points of A Serbian Film, including very ending...
Your post gives away the end of the movie
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yeah british films do a lot of ripping-off
shareHow is this like a Serbian Film except superficially, a man is put back into his profession and is exploited by a group of people for their own weird gratification. Serbian film was a violent-obsessed god-delused filmmaker trying to find some sort of artistic and human truth in violence and he feels the only way to find that language is through true sex and violence. A Serbian Film is more of a dive into the abyss, and how you can never truly leave once you're in, it addresses how when you bring lust into your life and let it dictate who you are, Milos being a pornstar and it being the only means to putting food on the table, mixed with being a father who leaves that world behind, but what affect it has on his personal life, and what elements he invites into his life, and what's already there (his brother being a representative of his own nature, and the filmmaker being a representative of the external elements, the world that shapes him).
This one is different in that it's about a man's own demon's being quarreled with on the backdrop of a satanic cult, from the beginning we see how he's struggling with his wife, two completely different natures, now I'm under the thought that she was the one who introduced the cult to her husband, choosing him to be the catalyst to their ritual, since not only is she psychopathic in how accepting she is of his career, but she's adamant he goes back to working. The whole heaven and hell being a sort of analogy of a marriage that works and doesn't, one needs eachother in order to exist, despite all their quarrels. It seems to be about a man discovering the nature of who he is, he realizes he has more in common with the other side than he'd like to be, the bits of conversation between Gal and Fiona about the difference between the Christians that lead to the Troubles in Ireland, she dismisses all Christianity as the same, and being an Irishman who's seen first hand what those little differences lead to, he completely disagrees. And then we see Jay get really annoyed by the Christian support group in the restaurant, showing his posture towards the side he actually belongs to. He has a mask of goodness, but underneath he's bad, similar to how Gal wears a mask of badness, but deep in his heart he's actually good, which is why he isn't so keen on being as brutal, as quick to kill, as quick to surrender to his own bloodlust, he's a killer yeah, but the moments that separate the two are telling of who they are underneath, he's more patient, but more afraid, while Jay is less patient, and less afraid of what he doesn't understand.
In it's own morbid and screwed up fashion, he sort of makes his marriage "stronger" and becomes closer to his wife by killing her and their child in the final ritual, but he needs a disguise on them in order to actually accomplish, hammering home is duplicitous thought process, he wants one thing but he does another, unbeknownst to himself or not. In a way it's a journey of self-discovery for Jay and his relationship with his wife.
Just watched this. My thoughts exactly.
shareMy exact thought too, as soon as we got to the ending I knew what was coming, and I haven't even seen A Serbian film, merely heard about how it ends.
shareAfter almost 30 minutes I guessed the ending...
What an obvious lie lol. Nothing happens within the first 30 minutes of the film that could possibly give away the ending.
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Nothing happens within the first 30 minutes of the film that could possibly give away the ending.
That's not entirely true...you've got a black cat on the dinner table and the scene in the bathroom with Fiona and the mirror.
As regards the first point...later in the film we see that their cat is not black...
What? LOL
I can't tell if you're making a joke or not.
How does that give away the ending??
The scene with Fiona in the bathroom certainly suggests there is something strange happening.
I'm sure some people guessed it had something to do with a cult from that scene but it doesn't tell you what will happen at the end.
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Black cats are traditionally the "familiars" of witches. This shot of the black cat plays no logical role in the narrative at that time. However, if you couple this with the Wiccan symbol Fiona carves on the back of the mirror, and the personal item (a tissue) that she takes from the bathroom - and I'd say your pretty clearly pointing towards witchcraft playing some role in the story. A bit later, we see a weirdly mangled rabbit on the lawn...haven't you seen any voodoo films? Again, this makes no narrative sense in a story about a hit man and his domestic life...unless the film makers intend to go somewhere with it, which of course they do. Getting back to the cat. Jay's cat appears to be grey, not black. It begs the question: "Whose cat was it, and how did it get there?"
I don't remember the part you're referring to but even still, I don't think it gives away the end.
Like I said, it may give away that something supernatural is going on.
But I am talking about the whole apparent "Serbian film rip off" ending.
I don't believe anyone could have seen that coming from the beginning.
I don't remember the part you're referring to but even still, I don't think it gives away the end.
Like I said, it may give away that something supernatural is going on.
But I am talking about the whole apparent "Serbian film rip off" ending.
I don't believe anyone could have seen that coming from the beginning.
OK, you're right about it not being obvious what the end game was.
I must have missed the bit in Kill List where he rapes his wife and child at the end :/ This film is nothing like A Serbian Film, people thinking that's the first film ever to have the lead character kill his family by mistake. I thought the ending was tense and suited the film well, especially the tunnel scene. Only problem I had with it was the dialogue was hard to understand in the scenes at the start.
shareIt's also a "double twist" in that not only were the wife and child the victims, but there's also the suggest that the wife may be part of the cult. A Serbian Film (so I've heard) just has the one twist, not the second.
My problems with the film were like what you said - the dialog was impossible to hear and understand (even for British people!) Another flaw was that I think it would have been better not to show Shel again once Jay had left her with the gun in the house...until.