This is not a fake doc !!


I live in philly an still some of the tiles are there.

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The tiles being "there" have nothing to do with whether the doc was fake or not.

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Seems fake. I looked up the 'reclusive' Severino "Sevy" Verna, and aside from being dead, he was also a city council member and celebrated Columbus Day as the Grand Marshal without fail for many many years. Doesn't sound like a mysterious recluse to me.

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I was surprised to find that I was able to confirm your report with a simple Google search. It does seem unlikely that there could be two people named "Severino Verna", at roughly the same age, living in the same city. And this Severino Verna doesn't exactly fit our image of the Toynbee tiler, but one shouldn't be so quick in ruling out the possibility that this is the guy. The researchers in the film must be aware of this name conflict, but unfortunately the message-board is down, and I'll have to send out an email or something...


http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/City-Council-President-Verna-Announces-Retirement-114509589.html

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They are no doubt aware of him. It's probably an inside joke, or a secret dedication of some sort the film-makers wanted to make to the man.

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Not Fake. Not an inside joke.

Sevy Verna the tiler is in his 60's and was named after his UNCLE, the Severino Verna mentioned above who died in 2009 at age 78.

If you search around for who Sevy the tiler's father is, and the fact that the family ran a funeral home, some more pieces of the puzzle start to come together.

The filmmakers likely knew this and left it out purposefully out of respect for the family.

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neat, sources? Why no sources? Oh yeah...

Because this is your ONLY post on IMDB and you have a stake in the film.

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No stake in the film buddy.

I do live in Philadelphia and have been seeing these things for AT LEAST 15 years.
And followed the "mystery" on various message boards, flickr, etc for almost as long.

If you did more than 5 seconds of research you might discover some of these things yourself.. but for some reason have made discrediting this documentary your mission in life.

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Dear Shill,

I never said the tiles did not exist. I said your film is fake. Yes, 'your' film. Anyone can dig into this information and see that it is a sensationilist piece with zero research. I did in 15 minutes enough research to discredit this film.

Tiles exist. Film is fake. It's the ancient meme before everyone had the internet. A tiler would probably have to come out and explain why they did it, but the reasons are no more obscure than the random memes that show up in 'whatever'chan. Before the internet, people had to spam meaningless sh*t on sidewalks = toynbee tiles.

Edit: It's as if your grandmother did an expose on "Who was phone?!". She doesn't get it, it's a dead meme by the time she found it. The people involved are no longer interested because it is so tired. Likely the only gratifying thing left is the sensational mystery left behind: "Perhaps we will never know: who was phone?!"

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nrkist2424,

in your response to Berks2020's post about the EXISTENCE OF MULTIPLE VERNAS with the SAME NAME, you question the information he provides because he failed to cite any sources. so far, so good: you seem to be aware that it is necessary to cite evidence in order to make credible the information one shares, or the claims one makes, on a discussion board. However, if this assumption is correct, it is baffling why you would go on to assert--without providing any sources of your own--that Berks2020 "has a stake in the film". The fact that Berks2020's post was his first on IMDB is not sufficient evidence for your claim. Actually, after having taken a closer look at YOUR posts, I see absolutely no evidence for your claim to have "discredit[ed] this film".

As Berks2020 has pointed out, it takes just 5 seconds to turn up numerous sources that confirm his information about the VERNA FUNERAL HOME, etc (links below). By contrast, you say you've found evidence that Verna was a CITY COUNCIL MEMBER". However, I could not easily verify your claim, so it's a PITY that you didn't provide any sources, despite demanding them from Berks2020.

I don't see any mention online that "Severino Verna" was ever himself a member of the City Council; it seems you are confusing him with his wife Anna, a long-serving city council member.

In 2009, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported the death of one "SEVERINO D. VERNA JR, 79, husband of City Council President Anna C. Verna", and lists his occupation and address. "In the 1950s, MR. VERNA FOUNDED THE VERNA FUNERAL HOME AT 1244 S. BROAD ST., the South Philadelphia rowhouse where he and his wife lived for years."

(hxxp://articles.philly.com/2009-06-16/news/25285015_1_columbus-day-parade-parade-marshal-convertibles)

1) So the 'Severino Verna' that you thought was a CITY COUNCILMAN, was actually FUNERAL HOME FOUNDER/OWNER/DIRECTOR(?). If the former (councilman) doesn't fit your image of the tiler, isn't the latter (funeral home owner) a little bit closer?

2) One finds multiple variations on Verna's full name in different sources. In the "Philadelphia Public Record", the husband of "Council President Anna Cibotti Verna" goes by the name "CAVALIER SEVERINO VERNA". So compare that to the Philadelphia Inquirer, which reported Anna's husband's name as "SEVERINO D. VERNA JR". Either this individual was both his own father and his own son at the same time, or there were are least two "Severino Vernas", and some confusion among newspaper reports as to which was which.

(hxxp://www.phillyrecord.com/2011/01/our-opinion-thank-you-anna-cibotti-verna/)

3) Notice that the Inquirer says that "SEVERINO D. VERNA JR" lived with his wife, Anna, at "1244 S. BROAD STREET" (Philadelphia, PA.). In the film, there is a 'Sevy Verna" living at '2624 S. 7TH STREET'. Either there is one individual named "Severino Verna" with resided at multiple addresses, or there are multiple "Severino Verna"s!

Unless you show me otherwise, it looks like the research you've done is not only wrong, but it also in no way discredits the film, as you claim to have done. The theories presented in the film regaring the identity of the Toynbee tiler are entirely consistent with the idea that there exist multiple individuals with the name "Sevy Verna".

Other sources: (hxxp://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/City-Council-President-Verna-Announces-Retirement-114509589.html,hxxp://www.southwestphillyreview.com/view_article.php?id=8819, hxxp://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/heardinthehall/Severino_Verna_husband_of_Council_president_dies.html)


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You are correct. I skimmed the articles and did not consider that councilman Verna was infact councilwoman Verna, and her husband 'Sevy' Verna was infact the grand marshall.

Your 2nd and 3rd points are essentially that it is within reason to consider there are multiple people known as Severino 'Sevy' Verna of notable fame in the Philadelphia area, active in the same period. I say this is a pretty big stretch, but admit it is possible.

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you seem to just "skim" EVERYTHING.

"Sevy Verna the tiler is in his 60's and was named after his UNCLE, the Severino Verna mentioned above who died in 2009 at age 78."

So there you go. TWO Sevy Vernas right there.

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Once again, there is no source to back up this claim faaaaq.

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Here is an article in which former councilwoman Anna Verna states that her late husband Severino Verna had a nephew with the same name. Scroll down to the bottom of the page:

http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-10/news/31046738_1_judge-judy-judith-sheindlin-film

The filmmakers even reportedly discovered this connection while making the film, but left it out because they didn't believe it to be relevant.

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Thanks for this post :)

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The tiles still in Philly has nothing to do with the film being real or fake. I think it is kinda funny that so many people on here insist the film is fake though. I have no doubt it is very real. I like that the film and obviously Sevy have started this type of underground media. We as a society need these types media to get messages past the mainstream media. It was an extremely creative and innovative way to go about it. Yes I realize Sevy's tile messages were odd and farfetched but they were altruistic. He wanted people to live forever. He was trying to save people's lives.(Except for the kill journalists one, lol.)

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I thought the documentary was fake while watching it. I happened upon it by chance and didn't read anything about it beforehand, and was surprised at how well the filmmakers were able to make it seem real and factual. I thought to myself, it's such a nice story that I'd almost want it to be real.

First thing I did after the film ended was to look up the Toynbee.net site, which was taken over by a domain squatter. One click further and I'm on the Internet Archive's snapshots of the site from 2003, which sure enough contain the exact content shown in the film. I think it would be quite hard for makers of a faux documentary to inject fake websites from supposedly 8 years ago into an automatically built and unmoderated archive... or otherwise, it would have been a hoax that had been a very long time in the making.

It's also not a big deal to google some of the other mentioned sources, such as Mamet's play. So by all accounts, I think it takes maybe 2 minutes on Google to find out that the documentary is not a fake. Also, I'd assume that the people at Sundance would look into the film's background a bit before letting it win an award for factual pictures.

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