Blunderbuss Taurus illegal- Hope the BATFE isn't watching ;+)

Actually yes, he did. It was explained in the behind the scenes segment. Will whittled the stock using an old Civil War bayonet that his great, great, great, great, great grandfather Corp. Will'am Baton Hayden made from a railroad spike and was later used to blow up a union bridge which singlehandedly saved the town of Baton Rouge. They named the town after him in honor of his heroism. He learned the skill of gunsmithing from his ancestor who fought in the American Revolution on the British side, who after the war started a shop called Redcoat Firearms which specialized in suppressed automatic assault muskets.

It wouldn't need aiming, since the cone would make such a broad scatter of the pellets when the gun was fired. lol

Oh wow, I didn't catch that one. Whoops!

Seriously. He didn't want to look stupid?

After creating that spinning 3 Saiga abortion and several other examples?

Too late wil, years too late.

I do not know all the BATF rules but I think the judge comes into a grey area since it can also shoot .45 Colt ammo. Put the stock on the Judge and load it with .410 shells and it is an illegal short barrel shotgun, but if you load it with .45 Colt ammo I think it should be legal. But maybe the BATF will have a problem with it because it is a rifle with a barrel less than 18 inches

Good by theory, but that isn't how it works. First of all, a firearm is not defined by the ammunition it has in it at the time, it is defined by the ammunition that it has the capability to chamber. If this were the case, then automatic weapons would still be legal, as long as the owner/user does not ever select the multi-rate of fire. Matter of fact, that is why the Judge is set up for a .410- it would be illegal in any other caliber/gauge. It so happens that the .410 shell will interchange diameter wise with a .45LC, therefore the revolver is considered by the BATFE (formerly ATF) as a .45 revolver and not a .410 shotgun. If it were not for the fact that it could chamber a handgun load, it would be an illegal shotgun regardless of the fact that it has a buttstock. The only way that they could get away with it would be if the barrel were 18+ inches long. In the eyes of the BATFE, this is a .45 revolver, it just happens to have a longer cylinder that allows for a .410 shotgun shell to be used.


"As far as I know putting a stock on any handgun that shoots bullets from a rifled barrel is legal, the short barrel rule only applies to shotguns and maybe rifles with less than 18 inch barrels unless they were originally a handgun "

No, unfortunately it was illegal. Putting a buttstock on any handgun constitutes that weapon as a long gun. A shotgun has to have no less than 18" barrel length, otherwise it is an SBS (Short Barreled Shotgun), whereas a rifle has similar rules, but has to come in at no less than 16" or else it is considered an SBR (Short Barreled Rifle). The Judge is not considered a shotgun, it is registered as a .45 revolver. The fact that it has the longer cylinder to allow for the shotgun shell does not change this. By definition however, a revolver has to be a firearm with the capability to fire from one hand only (i.e. no shouldering). Putting a buttstock on one would turn it into a shoulderable firearm, making it a long gun (and thus requiring 18" barrel length to avoid SBS status).

"The rules of the BATF are very confusing but do not trust me on this because I may be wrong. I think you can legally own a short barrel shooting if you pay the BATF $5 for a tax stamp. "

They can be, so don't get discouraged. The tax stamp is $200.00 for all Title 2/Form 4 firearms (commonly referred to as "Class III"), plus there is a wait which currently spans as much as 12-14 months. On top of that, there is transfer fee that typically runs as much as $100.00 or more, depending on the gun shop doing the transfer. Added to it, if you purchase the firearm from out of state, the price doubles- as you have to pay to bring it in the state, then to put it into your name. This is required on all long guns that have a sub-legal barrel length (16" for rifles, 18" for shotguns).

...but here is the part that confuses me is that there are many handguns such as the Lugers produced during WW@ that came with a stock that could be attached, and the also were some Colt SAA revolvers that were made and equipped with stocks. To the best of my knowledge there is no stamp that is required to own these two examples and others like it.


Correct. These firearms are referred to as relics, and due to the history of them, the BATFE does not see a need to destroy the value of the firearm by destroying a part of it. These rules do not apply to modern production firearms (the firearm has to be at least 50 years old), and only a few on the list are exempt. Smith & Wesson had a similar design. The firearm possessor does still have to go through a few steps on this, too- and has to register as a curio/relics collector with the BATFE. Once the owner does this, he or she can own any historical relic legally.

silverr8c

NoahBody mentioned that they may have broken the law by with the DE, here is the quote "Remember the infamous Desert Eagle episode (where the faked shooting the DE with a swapped out 9mm)? They put a stock on that one too."

As far as I know putting a stock on any handgun that shoots bullets from a rifled barrel is legal, the short barrel rule only applies to shotguns and maybe rifles with less than 18 inch barrels unless they were originally a handgun


The rules of the BATF are very confusing but do not trust me on this because I may be wrong.

Because there is a wait of 12+ months right now to have the tax stamp issued, until which the firearm is required to be in the possession of the Class III/SOT. The customer is not allowed to own the firearm until everything is approved and issued.

"Easy answer.
You're assuming to know more than you do OP.
A despicable bad habit majority of human beings have which I equate to religion and television since it's truly a faith based train of thought unfortunately applied to reality.

You're making claims based on fantasy you watched on television.
Not legal facts that were filed with a court of law.

Also.
There is always priority processing if you are willing to pay.
It's truly a bribe but they obviously don't call it that.
When I obtained my copyright, I was offered priority processing for $250 or some absurd fee and played stupid.
This idiot from the US Copyright Office explains to me that it just jumps me to the front of the line and I am no longer waiting.

Meanwhile they're not supposed to be charging us 1 red cent since the office is fully tax payer funded. Everything in the office tax payer owned and their salaries payed by our taxes.

And you're making a fuss in an attempt to look smart about some crap on television that provided absolutely no evidence for your claim.
Unfortunately the information age has made arrogant, stupid people with mediocre educations even dumber than the team of religion and public education.




Federal Reserve?
HJR-192 and don't let the repeal fool you It's not yet active"


Hahahahahaha!!!!! Typically, I avoid those who talk out of both ends of their mouths, but YOU sir, are talking out of both ends of your body! Your comments are as ignorant as they are arrogant! First of all, I DO know about this. Apparently a LOT more than you do! I know it from experience. You do not know me, nor do you know my background. Assumptions are what makes you ignorant here. Let me explain a few things to you. But before we begin here, Cupcake, you might want to pour some herbal tea in your Hello Kitty coffee mug and put on some Kenny G.,... the ugly truth is about to come out.

First of all, the BATFE makes absolutely NO provisions for expediting a tax stamp. You want a Title II firearm transferred into your name, you have to wait, plain and simple. Secondly, copyrights are a completely different topic and division than firearms! But it IS interesting to see that you are in the habit of bribing a government official. Try that with the BATFE and see just how far you get. The only thing dumber than suggesting this, is posting on a public forum that you have a history/plans of doing this! I highly doubt you even own such a weapon (much less ANY FFL), or else you too would know that there are no shortcuts. If you do, feel free to post a picture of your tax stamp and/or FFL on here. I do find it funny though, that you think you know about firearms because you have dealt with obtaining a copyright.

Secondly, I did not post this in an attempt to look smart, however your comment has made everything else in this thread look brilliant in comparison. That is no credit to my original post though, as your comments could make a monkey hitting himself in the head with a piece of septic pipe look smart.

Thirdly, just because something is tax funded does not mean that you are exempt from paying for their services. Check your local courthouse. It is tax funded, yet you pay property tax, vehicle tax, etc. to it. The USPS is also funded largely with tax dollars, yet you still have to pay for their services. USPTO- same thing. You are NOT entitled to freebees on the American dollar just because you pay taxes. That is not how that works.

Lastly, I will reply to your comments about religion, though I probably should just take the higher road and ignore such bias and insulting rantings about something that BILLIONS of people such as myself believe in! I will make these comments in reply, but will not dignify any further religious discussions with you in the matter as it does not pertain to the subject here, and I have much better things to do than to argue a moot point with some loudmouthed idiot who has no respect for anybody, including him/herself. Because if this, I will no longer dignify any of your replies with a response.

I am a Christian. I have the right to believe how I choose. You likewise have the right to worship how you wish, even if you do not wish to do so. I make no denials of my faith, and will defend my God even more strongly than I defend my America and the rights that she preserves for me. I put my faith in something that I believe in. That does not make me ignorant or blind, it is how I chose to live- and it IS indeed MY choice. But I do have to speak up when someone like you who does not believe, tries to spew their vulgar beliefs on others. You obviously have anger issues, but that is between you and your therapist. You have about as much knowledge of my faith as you do of how the American government operates, which is none. It is apparent that you have problems with both America and God as well as those who believe in and defend either of these. If you do not like how America is operated, please note that there are exits conveniently located at both the North and South.