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Why Every European is offended?


Americans are making movies just as this one but with European-American aspect.If it is so, Every Muslim or easterner shoulnt be offend to. When yu are harm our feeling it is ok but when we make same things it is cruel and wrong...

Ps: Also Yu cant know how this events occured there is gonna be always Two aspect because European wrote Historic data as how they wanna wrote and Easterns make these thing also.There is no such thing called "Pure evil" in Eastern We are just People like yu r.

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Haklısınız Sinan bey tebrikler!

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Yeah Sinan is right!!!

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it is surely right, havent we all been watching the movies about vietnam, afganisthan and lately irak? are we not all fed up of "fake" american commandos :) time is changing and the world is changing with the time by the way, remember that the subject of this movie has changed the "age" of the world, we like neither we dont, this is truely something to watch because it has happened, so this is historyand isnt former Constantinople called Istanbul now? So we are going to watch the reality instead of fakes with dragons, magics, vampires, wolfmen, witches of europe from 16th-17th centuries, obviously when you pay and watch this movie, it means giving money away to a hard work and to the "LOGIC" instead of giving it away for watching flying ninjas or snake eating fake commandos :D

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So to prove that you need respect from the other side you should make a production that is equally (or more?) offensive? This is NOT what we need in a healthy dialogue between nations... And you must give the American movie industry some credits for trying to redeem itself with more sophisticated movies where they try to show more respect for foreign cultures. ''Kingdom of Heaven'' shows a historic figure like Saladin as a nicer guy than any of his Christian counterparts. ''Syriana'' delves deeper into the problems around the war in Iraq. ''Babel'' had characters from all over the world. Maybe it's still too little too late, but they're getting there anyway.

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no the movie does not show up that saladin was a nice guy, the movie just tells the fact, just like fetih tells the fact but your fact is unfortunately something to feel shame about mate, i am sorry but you have a dirty history, nothing to do with us :) and this was the reason of ottoman punished the west, because you have allways been the same, when you do, it is good, when we do it is not, where are *beep* the nuclear bombs of irak? what happened to the children? what is still happening in palestine? everybody sais hitler was a bastard, why nobody sais anything about ariel sharon? he is still doing what hitler did, hitler has become a history but people still hate him, sharon is the reality instead of being a history and nobody sais nothing? look at africa, people die everyday, why? because their gold,patrol,diamond reserves have been stolen by cheating, and the cheating game was giving a useless book and making them believe in whatever your world wanted and today? all hungry and die, tell me what you all have done to the black people in the past? tell me what allways happened in america with the black people? let me tell you one thing, which ll be the answer to my all question, YOU CAN NOT TELL A SINGLE WORD, what fetih tells is the history, nobody knows, if it is true or not, neither do we. But everything i just told in this post is what still happens around, thanks for your respect to somebody who can ask you answerless questions like me

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no the movie does not show up that saladin was a nice guy, the movie just tells the fact, just like fetih tells the fact but your fact is unfortunately something to feel shame about mate, i am sorry but you have a dirty history, nothing to do with us :) and this was the reason of ottoman punished the west, because you have allways been the same, when you do, it is good, when we do it is not, where are *beep* the nuclear bombs of irak? what happened to the children? what is still happening in palestine? everybody sais hitler was a bastard, why nobody sais anything about ariel sharon? he is still doing what hitler did, hitler has become a history but people still hate him, sharon is the reality instead of being a history and nobody sais nothing? look at africa, people die everyday, why? because their gold,patrol,diamond reserves have been stolen by cheating, and the cheating game was giving a useless book and making them believe in whatever your world wanted and today? all hungry and die, tell me what you all have done to the black people in the past? tell me what allways happened in america with the black people? let me tell you one thing, which ll be the answer to my all question, YOU CAN NOT TELL A SINGLE WORD, what fetih tells is the history, nobody knows, if it is true or not, neither do we. But everything i just told in this post is what still happens around, thanks for your respect to somebody who can ask you answerless questions like me

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During middle ages Islam was more pragmatical and progressive religion than Christianity, and if you doubt that just read some things Islamic rulers did to spread their faith, they were very smart and practical

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There is no hope for humanity. We will always fight with each other, always exploit each other, always disagree whose god is the true one, whose method of worship is the correct one. Religious people the world over will always be fooled into fighting wars that in reality further very earthly goals and political agentas. And if they are not religious they will still fight for political, social, or economic reasons.

The human ape is a devious, nasty, greedy, selfish, power-hungry and petty creature that rapes, exploits and polutes everything it comes in contact with. We are a scourge on this planet, a cancer that spreads and eats up everything healthy around us.

There's no hope for us because we never learn from the violent mistakes of our past, we never let go of hate, xenophobia, prejudice. The imdb forums are full of threads filled with hate and fear, a tiny confirmation that despite out momumental past mistakes, we still never learn.





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Some of what u said is true,but right now we are living the Muslim dark ages(wahhabis,salafis). America and Europe r not Christians they r Israel's bitches!True Christians r the ones in the middle east!if wahhabis aide the cia and mossad and kill the Christians in the middle east then they WILL steal ur land like Palestine and ur riches like gas and oil... zionists r cancer!

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Europeans get offended from everything mate...
Because they slaughtered each other for religious reasons...
Dont mind the greeks...
They actually should be thanking god! They are called greeks today!
Because if ottomans wanted there wud not be a nation called greek!
There wud not be a language called greek either!
Yes fetih is historically innacurate so they say let them say it!!
If greece was conquered by the english today their religion would be protestant!!!!!!!
My fathers directed 19 states in europe...
And we never forced anyone to change their religion or language..
If anyone wants a prove look at greece... Look at macedonia bulgaria romania and loads of other european states which were directed by the ottomans...
And ask them... What is the religion of these countries...
And then ask the religion of the old british and french colonies:)

Ottomans did only one mistake which we are paying the price today...
They were just too GOOD!!!
They should be saying be muslim and speak ottoman or you are dead...
Simple as that!!!
British slaughtered their own citizens!!! Just because they were catholic!!!!!!

Unfortunately we live in their world now...


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Even if I dissaprove what you think! I will defend your right to say it!

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EXACTLY. Look at America (the continent). It's a historical fact that within 100 years of 'colonizing' the Americas, the White Europeans had killed 95% of the indigenous population. Today, there are virtually no Native Americans left (the few that live are ignored and squeezed into decaying reservations).

This is the story with every 'conquest' the West has made. They colonized Africa and transported 20 million+ Africans as slaves to America. Of these 20 million, 9 million died.

Today, North Africa speaks French, South America and the Philippines Spanish, and Africa, America, etc, are all Christian. This is the result of the genocidal policies of the West.

If the Ottomans had followed the same policies, all of Eastern Europe would be Muslim today and the Arab world and half of Europe would speak Turkish. The Ottomans had 600+ years to do what the Europeans did in America in 100 years.

Instead, the Ottomans let people worship their own religions and established a system in which minorities like Armenians and Greeks became wealthy and attained power.

So it is ridiculous that the Western Whites make thousands of movies representing their genocidal acts as heroism (the heroic cowboy vs the savage native), and yet when a movie is made about the Ottomans (who have no such genocidal history), everybody (in the West) has to attack it.

So you are right. Today, the Turks are paying the price for being too 'human' and too "good" by ironically being called a host of nasty names by the hypocritical West.

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very well said bro, now i would like to show to everybody what a turk means, if you are not a turk, you are accepted as one of us and there is no difference between you and a turk to any of us and we do not care what your religion is, i hope mighty Allah will never let us fight to each other in our future

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Armenians know too well how GOOD the ottomans were....in committing a genocide! U people will never change!

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ok since you are an arrogant bastard...
All I can say... if OTTOMANS wanted.. there would not be a single armenian on this planet:)

If you asked me today I can honestly say! I wish they had destroyed whole armenia... greece and all other nations we dominated...
Look at Morocco, Algeria... We should have been like French or British...
We were too good to you thats why today you have a chance to talk... thats why you are still christian... but like I said it was our mistake

We should have been like the british... go there colonize them... change their religion change their language... but we did not:) which is a huge shame!

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Even if I dissaprove what you think! I will defend your right to say it!

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Like I said guys... No hope for any of us!

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ok since you are an arrogant bastard...
I wish they had destroyed whole armenia... greece and all other nations we dominated...
Look at Morocco, Algeria... We should have been like French or British...
We were too good to you thats why today you have a chance to talk... thats why you are still christian... but like I said it was our mistake

That is *beep* Morocco and Algeria were not destroyed, they still speak their own language and kept their religion. Same for India and a lot of other places that were liberated by the Europeans from Ottoman and Mughal oppression.

Also that you failed because you were too good is *beep* as well. You tried as hard as you could to conquer Western Europe, in fact you sieged Vienna 3 times in an attempt to enslave them. The reason we are still Christian today has nothing to do with any turkish "goodness", the reason we are still Christian today is because the Austrians and Polish soundly defeated the turkish hordes and chased them back to where they came from. This of course took centuries, but in the end justice triumphed and the Ottoman Empire was finally undone.

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Because it is a misinterpretation of history that evokes nationalism.

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and could you please tell me, if you watched the movie? and if you have can you please tell me, what the name of the man is who has put the flag on top of the castle? and if you cant give me an answer, why the hell are you trying to tell that it is misinterpretation of the history and what do you know about the history of "OUR OWN COUNTRY" and if you have watched the movie and still think that it misinterpretation of the history is, i respect your thoughts but i also would like to know which part of the movie does not fit with the history?

NO ANSWERS=NO RESPECT FOR YOUR THOUGHTS

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Ulubatli Hasan, (phonetic spelling) it wasn't a caastle it was one of the inner towers by the golden gate. he was as famous in his day as Lethalde and Engelbert were 250 years earlier.

trashing books is like the Special Olympics even if you win & burn them all you are still a retard.

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sinan50563, Perspective is everything. This sort of thing is a very touchy thing in the West. Most Americans have no clue of this history and in the post 911 world, they see any percieved encroachment of Islam as an attack on western world and an attempt to force the world to become Muslim by the sword. it cannot be denied that Mohammed is seen by many to have been a conqueror and the fruits of such a conquest are up for debate depending on your perspective. Most Christians in Europe are in a state of denial about the attrocities committed and sanctioned by the Vatican as well as by the Greek Orthodox heirarchy. Both sides, Ottomans included committed horible attrocities. But that was the nature of the times and the politics of 1453 cannot be judged by todays standards.
Bottom line if you are a Turk, Mehmet the second is seen as a hero. If you are a greek or live in an area affected by ottoman invasion, the Ottoman Sultans were despots, tyrants and equivalents of Tamerlane or barbarian invaders intent only on loot, murder, pillage and rape

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It is good point that subject is very subjective - :-)
Yes, Balkan people, and most of Europe has very bad opinion about Turkish expansionism (to say so).
I think that for modern people such expansionism - attack and conquer is something barbarian, outdated etc. Really, don't remember any other movie where it was glorified as in Fetih. Not even close.
During whole movie we seen some pretty much unbelievable things, dialogs etc.
But culminataion was the very end, in Sofia - that was really pathetically bad.
Not to mention that contradicts to many told - expansionism was dictated by Kuran, Mohammed. In what purpose ? To spread 'right religion' - and they spread it on occupied territories well - depending on actual lord on some area it was sometimes suptile, sometimes brutal. How otherwise explain that most of people in Sandzak (Serbian region) is muslim ?
Not to mention that every nation get rid of 'good' Turks by time.
I see real problems in attitude here .

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Two wrongs don't make a right and your approach of eye for an eye is another mistake. The only way to correct something is with truth not lame propaganda

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