I am very curious


It is true that the trailer has made me curious to watch the movie. I want to see how an event that has occurred 559 years ago can affect the mutual perception of the neighbouring modern countries of Greece and Turkey. Will modern day Greeks and Turks identify with the Byzantines on the walls of the city and with the warriors seeking to sack it respectively? It will be a very interesting case-study for the manipulation of a past event for present day moulding of sensibilities. I also saw that it mentions the reaction of Orthodox zealots to what they considered as an effort by the Pope and The Latin West to patronize them under the pretext of helping fellow Christians against the infidels. This is true historically although the majority tended to be pragmatic and to accept Western protection. It is going to be the movie of the year for me...

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the curiocity for me is for the historic accuracy of this movie...i know its Turkish and it will exaggerate things to lift up the turkish feelings, but whats gonna be the size of this exaggeretion...it was an unfair battle between 200.000 Ottomans and 10.000 Byzantines but they hold for a month and a half...will they shown the massacres of the unarmed people inside Hagia Sofia..?how will they show Turks?as the ideal warriors and conquerors and the Byzantines the "bad" guys of the film???i am a Greek and when i saw 300 i enjoy it very much and i felt good as a Greek, but i knew that it was based on a true event but with a lot fiction in it...Persians didnt have giants, freaks,monters or samurais...and i understand why Iranians were upset with this film.i want to see this film very much even if i know ( with fiction or not ) that i will be very sad watching the conquest of Constantinopole even after so many centuries...the people who've been killed, all these who've been destroyed and lost and sold like common things...

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I agree that the historical accuracy is the point here. It is difficult to present the Turks in a positive light because they were those that attacked and conquered. On the other hand this was the way warfare was conducted those days and conquest was a legitimate title to territory. It was the same for the Europeans in the 19nth and early 20nth century who masqueraded it under the rationalizations of "White man's burden" or "Mission Civilizatrice". Only in those days it was difficult for the Turks to rationalize their military supremacy over the Byzantines by invoking the justification that they were more civilized(they were not). Now the movie may try to present the conqueror of Constantinople as a man with a mission and a vision(that is what one can understand from the trailer). I am no historian but I suspect that he was simply attacking a weakened adversary. And if he personally had a mission I doubt that the horde of warriors who followed him had one, other than the prospect of loot and booty. It will be an exercise in propaganda possibly to boost the morale of the present day Turkish masses whom their leaders want to manipulate through the resurgence of nationalism.Still it will be interesting to watch and it will generate discussion...

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indeed my friend...indeed..!

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Inverters of this movie isnt Turk Also Every country make their propaganda in their movie(İ bet yu can remeber lots of scene Super Heros in front of US Flag eg Spiderman) Also They had a mission Every single Muslim Commeder and Soldier wanna Take Constatinepolis Because of hadith of Their Prophet.Not because of loot.

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my friendly, seriously thanks for your logical comments without attacking somebody but believe me there was a reason of that attack at 1453, which was ottomans were asked for paying taxes for using bosphorus, which was belong to them at the south and the east side, this is our national genetic character, you come and ask me for the last piece of my bread nicely friendly and even if i am hungry to death, you ll get my bread, i ll share it with you or you come and ask me by forcing for a piece of gold when i own the whole treasury, i promise i ll give you your own head in a "golden tray", i dont mean you as you personal, as in general i mean

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If your comment is addresed to me thank you very much for your polite words. As I expected this movie has generated a very lively discussion although I have not seen it yet if it is ever to be shown in Greece. It is a movie and nothing more or less but it treats a sensitive subject. I think that by now historical researched has established the events that took place. On the other hand the motivations of the principal characters are open to interpretation and can be understood by each one in a different manner according to his sympathies and beliefs. Since it is a work of art and not a historical treatise this movie will give an interpretation according to the beliefs of the one who made it- this is not wrong or right, all works of art express their creators. Being made by modern Turks this movie will try to justify the ottoman point of view. In Greek memory this was a terrible event. Now after so many centuries I do not know whether this event has such a central significance for modern day Turks and Greeks. As it seems though old wounds die hard. And people who use historical events for cinematic purposes has an assured audience.

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@misuselthegreat

What makes you think about "historical accuracy" in feature movies?
Why should they be accurate? Does it make them "better" anyway?
Can anything, even historical archives written by "someone" be accurate and more interestingly to whom?

I think I made my point.

Thanks.

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when a movie its based on a historical event, than there must be an accuracy i think...in this movie we r talking about the conquest of Constantinopole from Turks...from the trailer were known some intentions of the director and these were insaulting for the conquered people and maybe the inteligense of the rest..!

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Really ?

was Braveheart Accurate ?? hahahahaha NO !!!

"If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kinda pussy to drink it." -Mr Rory Breaker

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i feel stupid just for started a convo with u...farewell...hohoho!!!

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I just saw the movie.. i like the movie technically but my greek friends sorry to confirm you that the greeks (byzantins) really steriotyped and turks are represented as brave great fighters..
I can imagine what you can feel in this movie, cause for ex. in Elia Kazan's Amerika Amerika i felt the same as a turk, by the fact that all the turks were demonized and represented as barbars..

Wish, after centuries, we could see the other without chauvinist mis-perceptions on our heads.

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No actually, when “historical accuracy” and movie production tie up with tight strings we get the result; documentary. And if you loose them a bit and add some fiction here comes the docu-dramas and biographies.

When you look back to the industry you see that propaganda is in the genes of movie production from the very start. So how come propaganda and accuracy get along.

Said “there must be an accuracy” can be argued as; the Turks actually conquered Istanbul so in the movie as well. And please before judging my last sentence think about “Inglourious Basterds”. What a beautiful one without any historical accuracy.

Thanks for reading.

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This movie is as accurate as The 300 Spartans.

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200.000 Ottomans and 10.000 Byzantines ?

is 50.000 Ottomans and 7.000-10.000 Byzantines.
I dont understand, Greek's why having so much hatred?
Is a history , Is it so hard to accept the truth?
First learn , after speak about something , and We TURKS are not hate to GREEKS.
Unlike a meaningless hate you have against us. Please dont stay in the past :)

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Dear psilos3 I suspect that we are compatriots. Do not write in Greek though because in IMDB boards they are not recognized and are represented as numbers. Unfortunately we have to communicate in English...

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besides that i would like everyvody knows what r we saying so they can understand and anticipate to these threads..!

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I am not so curious about it. It is heavily based on a school play by Islamist. I dont think they will even show Emperor fight to death(which is disputed anyway), as their last sultan collaborated with the invaders instead of fighting.

I neither think they will portrait Christian (mostly Frank) bulk of Ottoman army, who actually made all but one of the heavy assaults for more than a month. On the other hand i am sure, Urban will only be a metallurgist while true designer of the super-gun will be Mehmet II himself. The Russian tactic (Ukrainian to be precise) of drifting boats will be served as Ottoman ingenuity once more.

But again, this is a fiction, which serves as a pro-Islamic propaganda, especially by the help of Greek nationalist(who usually behave more like religious fanatics) reactions it started to do its job already.

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most of your writings r correct...this one isnt about religion, its about a nation's honor...we r talking about an army of 200000 soldiers invaded in a city that was defended by 10000 men and holded for a month and a half...about endless atrocities inside the city when they entered and even all these the byzantines will be "bad and evil" and the Ottomans the "good and honored".its fiction but its based on a real event.as i wrote before i enjoyed very much as a Greek the film 300, but i knew its fiction and i knew why Iranians ( Persians ) hated that film..!

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I am not very curious as a Turk. But what I know is we are sick of the replay of western historical stories a thousand times.

Good, pretty westerners (by the way at those times in 1453, neither Greeks nor Byzantium was a part of the Catholic west. It was an eastern empire) or lets says shiny a.. Christians fighting with the bad a.. easterners.

You mentioned it right. I was almost going to puke when I watched 300. It was a re-glorification of West, using the Greek history as a tool. Demonic and pure evil Persians, trying to over whelm ALLLL HEROIC Spartans (which Athenians never liked by the way) And it completely related to the contemporary politics, rather than the Persian-Greek struggles. Since talking about historical movies I have to admit I am also sick about the one side bad a.. Germans and Japanese, against the all glory, angel like anglo saxon soldiers.
But hey. War is something different. No body tells the story of Great Alexander plundering and destroying the 10.000 population of a Greek city in central Asia (yep! central Asia) just because they were the loyal subjects of the Persian Emperor. Or have you ever see the Greek fleet commanders of the Persian navy attacking Athens. Nor you can see the 40 thousand souls vanishing under the angelic US nuke in Japan.
Yes. Movies are a part of contemporary politics.
And hey! I think it is time for the others to tell the stories their way. Since it was not us who started this. Let us have some fun too, bros.

By the way Constantinople was first plundered and raped by your Catholic brothers in 1204, and administered by the Italians for almost half a century. That was when Byzantium fell as an empire. Turks just put the last nail into the coffin. In 1453, neither Byzantium nor the Greeks were a real deal for the Turkish Empire. It was the Italians who were ruling the Mediterranean since 1204. And don't push too hard on Mehmet II. Since he was the one who let the Eastern Constantinople Church to exist (which still).At a time of religious intolerance that was something. You know they would have no chance if it was the Italians to capture the city.

The only thing I worry is the quality of the movie, which I don't expect to be top notch. This story is so important that it shouldn't be wasted in amateur hands. We'll see.

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u r right in these...i think its gonna be very good movie at least for u.i'm looking forward my self for this one.



p.s.i agree about the things in movies we have get use to...good...bad...ugly...changes r welcome..!

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very well said, could not be said any better, i am seriously speechless, wordless, letterless, 10/10 for your bro, enough and quiet fed up of watching fake commandos in vietnamish movies, which are obviously filmed at the back gardens of holywood houses :D

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I am disgusted by the endless attempt by so many people to disgrace and belittle Turkish history. 'Oh it was not a just battle, oh the Turks committed atrocities, blahblahblah'. Why can't people just accept history as it is and stop trying to insult the history of other people.

Do you know that Mehmed II instituted three days of non-pillaging after taking the city, which was contrary to current military practice across Europe at the time, and his men were furious that after so many of them had died they weren't allowed to go in and take what was rightfully their? Do you know he knelt in respect before the Aya Sofia church?

No, Turks are monsters, Turks are evil, according to the West we've committed atrocities against a laundry list of peoples. I wouldn't be surprised if they start asking Turkey to apologize for a Martian Genocide soon.

But these Western claims of 'genocide' are in reality markers of the genocidal mentality that is the Western approach towards Turkey. They want to through their claims invalidate Turkish presence in Modern Turkey, to say no, Anatolia does not belong to you. Throughout history, starting as far back as the Crusades, the West has tried to 'cleans' our lands of Turkish people. I know people who have relatives killed by Armenians, burnt, beheaded, raped, and bayoneted to death. Countless Turkish mass-graves have been dug up in Eastern Anatolia. And we are expected to apologize? For what? For having our ancestors butchered, or for having defended our land?

I've gone completely off topic and for that I do apologize. The recent events in France have really put me on edge.

As far as the movie is concerned, I hope there isn't a strong Turkish bias. The Greeks I see as one of the few peoples with whom we have fought wars but are not enemies. We are more closely related (virtually kin) than either the Turkish or Greek side will ever admit.

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we shall see who's history is insaulted...when Ottomans entered the city they start killing everyone.most of the people who couldnt carry a weapon were inside Agia Sofia cos they thought they will find a refuge there.when Ottomans broke the doors and came inside they killed everyone was inside, even if they couldnt defend their selves...they didnt tried...i dodnt know how you call it this but for me its not a glorious victory or an ideal army..!he knelt when he entered the church and than turned it in to a mosque.
as i said i will see this movie and i really want to enjoy it...i dont want to see it and stop in the middle saying come on....this is to much...




p.s. i agree about the France issue...it was a bit hypocritical from them their statement..!

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--------------we shall see who's history is insaulted...when Ottomans entered the city they start killing everyone.most of the people who couldnt carry a weapon were inside Agia Sofia cos they thought they will find a refuge there.when Ottomans broke the doors and came inside they killed everyone was inside, even if they couldnt defend their selves...they didnt tried...i dodnt know how you call it this but for me its not a glorious victory or an ideal army..!he knelt when he entered the church and than turned it in to a mosque.
as i said i will see this movie and i really want to enjoy it...i dont want to see it and stop in the middle saying come on....this is to much... ----------

Really ??? so please explain how the Greek population survived and flourished under the Ottman Empire for 500 years if everyone was killed ??

If there is Greek Orthodoxy today it is the Ottomans you have to thank. They could have converted you all by the sword but you were given protection and Religious Freedom at a time when Christians were killing and persecuting their own. The Roman Catholics would have wiped you out if it wasnt for the Turks. In fact they were hoping the Turks would have wiped you out, thats why the Pope sent No help to Constantinople.

"If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kinda pussy to drink it." -Mr Rory Breaker

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really!!!!!!!!u can start reading other books than turkish..!those who found a hideout they survived and Mehmet after the conquest called back many Greeks who had left the city to come back..!they let religions with many bribes and after so many lootings been done in the churches...and every time there was a reason for your sultan to revenge a massacre was taking place to Greeks or Armenians or other nationalities...u wont accept what your ancestors done in the past, i'm only asking u to imagine that there is a posibility from me to telling you the truth...as for the rest u said about the catholics i will agree with you fully..!

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So all the Greeks Hid in Little Caves for 500 years did they ?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The Ottomans could have Burned Greece and its people to the Ground, yet in Ottoman Greece the majority of people for 500 years were still Greek !! You and your religion survive today with 11m + population today !!

And The Patriarch is still in Istanbul !!!

"If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kinda pussy to drink it." -Mr Rory Breaker

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hahaha???i'm tired arguing with u...u have no idea whats been done and u cant read anything that would ruin your ideal world...the resault is the same...your brave ottomans done attrocities and your people have 3 genocides in your back...unfortunatelly for u there is recorded history from many people of various nationalities and says different from u!
what do u think?they entered the city and they were throwing flowers and sweets to the byzantines???pfff how old r u?read something else exept your school books!

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God! Its just unbelievable!!!
Guys...!!!where is this hatred coming from?
Why do you humiliate ottomans? That much!
Take a look at the 19 states in europe which were directed by the ottomans
They still believe their *beep* religion!
They still speak their *beep* language!!!

We did not change their anything! May be that was the mistake!!!
Unlike the english! We did not colonize them!!!!
Rather than thanking us these people especially the greeks...
Still are able to talk about these events!

Ottomans should have said!
From now on you will be muslim...
And you will be speaking turkish or!
Soldiers kill them all...!
If this should have been done ages ago!
Today the situation in europe would be much different!
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Even if I dissaprove what you think! I will defend your right to say it!

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Ti kanis my Greek friend. I'd like you to study the phenomenon called Orientalism and then come back and discuss history and politics with me.

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ok, i have...i will agree in some things...there is the same thing with the west...and yeas when i imagine islam or muslims the first thing comes to my mind is terrorism...i cant understand what is exactly the truth..what Mehmet said...peace to everybody, or the videos i'm seeing with executions of people and the executioners screaming Allahu akbar..?

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Bear in mind that the association of Muslims and terrorism is only something that happened in the past 20 years. Some say it started with the Rushdie-affaire in England or the headscarf-affaire in France. Before these events, you wouldn't find the word muslim in newspapers.
Before these affaires Europeans would complain more about race or nationality, surprisingly religion was not an issue. (According to the findings of Eurobarometer of 1988). I'd be willing to provide you the information, but it's written in Dutch.

"Ask your heart", is another Turkish movie set in 1850 in Trabzon (Trapezounta) This movie shows that Orthodox Christians and Muslims don't differ. Perhaps that movie is more to your liking than this one then. I'd be happy to talk about it, after you've seen that one. Especially if you want to learn more about Pontians, than I would recommend you to watch this movie.

The tales about Barbaros Hayreddin Pasha would be more to your liking too. Since he's mother was Orthodox and the father is a Muslim. My point is that there are enough evidence to be found that proves that Orthodox and Muslim people could happily live in peace together.

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not only the ottomans could have burned greece and it's people to the ground, "Turkey" can still do that but we dont and they still are the same blood thirsty mouthes but they just dont wanna see the reality, if we want we can still take the whole greece to the end in a night but we dont do it because we are not romans, we do not atack without a reason as they did at the first world war and got punished again again and again

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just tell us then where all these ortadox origins come from that live in istanbul today? if you are reading the true history? tell us something logical this time :D u said ottoman was killing everybody, come on give us an answer now

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Hey all, I searched for this movie tonight and saw your conversation and although it's a bit late to reply I decided to do so because I read so many different replies, which in some cases are more than false...
To start with, Greeks live in this part of the world for more than 3.000 years so opinions like "Greeks started the WW1 with Turkey so they took what they deserved" are not really serious arguments because Greeks could say on the other hand: "This land didn't belong to you, you came from Mongolia a lot later to take our lands so *beep* 0ff". Such opinions are that false...It hasn't to do with action-counteraction, this is silly. The truth is that both people made bad things one each other but within our countries we're taught only the one side so we still consider one each other as enemy. Turks made a lot of massacres and slaughtered many people (Greeks, Armenians etc.) but also Greeks committed such things, maybe in a smaller scale but they did.
In fact after so many years of co-existence Greeks share more things with Turks than we both think. Our people don't differ that much and this is proven by our habits, our preferences and our opinions in life. If someone wants to confirm that he/she can easily get in touch with a guy from the "opposite" side.
Someone said that Greeks support that Italy is theirs, Anatolia, Macedonia is theirs etc. In fact Greeks made colonies in Sicily and south Italy and lived in Anatolia since ancient times so please so some respect. It doesn't mean that we own all those lands, for God's shake!
And the argument that Turks can conquer Greece in a day is hilarious...Are you kidding me?...
Finally I have one last word about the argument about all these accusations of being treated well and maintained our religions and etnic id because Turks let us. In fact there is a phenomenon when a people conquers another with greater cultural level they are "being conquered" culturally and spiritually. It happened with Romans, it happened also with Turks so please stop chewing this caramel that you did as a favour. It isn't bad, it's just the truth.
Now, stop arguing about the past and try to improve our future. Our countries spend dozens of money each year to get weapons and army equipment because of our neighbouring...Imagine all these money to be given to poor people or for education...Both Greece and Turkey would be a better place.
Peace dudes, greetings from Greece.

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Dear Friend,

I believe that in those days of history, conquering another nations' city was not the same it is today. Today, humanity has reached a better level of civilization, and conquering another country is not an honorable thing. But in those eras of history it was nearly something "legitimate", so I believe that states can not be critisized for their conquests in the very past. Ottomans were conquerors, fighters. Even Greeks were so during certain eras. The powerful ate the weak. This used to be the reality and the destiny of human civilization. It was Greeks who attacked and invaded Turkey during WWI.

I think that after WWII, the understanding of legitimacy of invading another country has changed, and this was a positive outcome, possibly the only positive outcome of the WWII.

In today's world, no country can claim honor in invading another country. There is only one state today which still tries to do that (I believe we all know which state that is) and it only triggers negative feelings and disapproval from the entire rest of the world for doing so.

I would like to mention that Ottoman Empire did not make massacres against Greeks or Armenians. Some Armenians were banished, but they were riots and they were in cooperation with the invaders during WWI. So this was something normal, any country would do that.

Ottomans were not racists, because they were a multi-national empire. After the conquest of Istanbul, we still pride ourselves in protecting the Christians and Jews in the city, while they expected slaughter or banishment at the least. Please correct your information about this issue, I do not know what sources you read, or what they teach in Greek schools about the Ottoman history.

Being a Turk, I have zero negative feelings about Greeks. I could say I even have sympathy for them, as well as all the other mediterrennean countries, because we share a lot of common values with each other.

The movie was good, but it was far from perfect. I have seen a lot of historical mistakes, and the storytelling was less good than what this kind of a movie deserves. But still, the movie was not bad, and can be watched.

Yes, it tells only one side of the story, looking only from the Ottoman perspective. It tries to look from the Byzantium point of view sometimes, but not with enough effort.

The war scenes were not realistic enough. Turkish cinema has come a long way, it creates wonderful dramas, comedies and storytellings, but when it comes to war or action scenes, it is not at the Holywood level yet. It will be in near future, I believe, but not yet, and this movie is a good example why it is not for the time being.

I believe that Greeks and Turks should forget about the bitter past and look for better friendship and cooperation for the future. I certainly agree with you. We have a lot of values and solid benefit we could give each other. Arguing tires us all, and provides no benefit. The era in which we live in is not the time for satisfying unrealistic nationalist (racist let me say) feelings of citizens. It is the time to provide real benefit through cooperation and we can really make the world a better place.

And that country, who still attacks and invades other countries in far away locations of the world, will have to stop and accept common values of humanity someday. If not, the world will teach them how to, I believe.

Greetings from Turkey

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no we could simply convert them to death bodies as we still can do but they still can not see it, they have never seen it in the history, they still think, they have the control of the world now :D :D and the game they are playing today is, lets forget the history and be friendly to each other, really? lets do it after the 3rd world war then, when the situtaion of today goes the other way around on the world, how about that? :):):)

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Just hate...
Ottomans not killed everyone , we are TURKS and Muslims not Christians...
And kill children and babies is your business , not muslim
Please accept to real , you know only hate.

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bro, no need to talk much, the last monsters kicked their bockets in africa and the end is coming for them soon, they just do not wanna wake up :) leave them alone maybe they ll get out of the situation of eating each other because of their redicioulus managed echonomies in the past :D, they finished what they have all stolen from africa, now they have nothing left and they face it right now but they still do not understand and they still can not see who will rule the world when the "End" comes, let them sleep and have a dream with what they think that true is bro :D

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please just read abit wiki; "In the 1,123 years of the existence of the Byzantine Empire, Constantinople had been besieged many times but had been captured only once, during the Fourth Crusade in 1204.[17] The crusaders had most likely not intended to conquer Byzantium in the beginning, and an unstable Latin state was established in and around Constantinople. The Byzantine Empire fell apart into a number of Greek successor states, notably Nicaea, Epirus and Trebizond. The Greek states fought as allies against the Latin establishments but also as rivals against each other over the Byzantine throne. The Nicaean Greeks were the first to re-conquer Constantinople from the Latins in 1261. In the following two centuries, the much-weakened Byzantine Empire faced attacks from the Latins, the Serbians, the Bulgarians and, most importantly, the Ottoman Turks.[7][18][19][20] The Black Plague between 1346 and 1349 killed almost half of Constantinople's inhabitants.[21][22] By 1453 the empire was exhausted, consisting of a few square miles outside the city of Constantinople itself, the Princes' Islands in the Sea of Marmara, and the Peloponnese with its cultural center at Mystras. The Empire of Trebizond, a completely independent successor state that formed in the aftermath of the Fourth Crusade, also survived on the coast of the Black Sea." sorry to say that but the greeks have allways been the toy for somebody in the past because they were allways such arrogants like you my friend

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yeah greeks yeah. Byzantines was you, alexander was you. spartas was you, rome was you, anatolia yours, italia yours everywhere everythings yours. turks are barbarian, they killed everyone. you are perfect other ones bad...

turks never killed greeks or etc. because they are still living at istanbul ! so european people can tell me, what did you do in Jerusalem at 1099 ? ahh of course you gained democracy to muslim people like iraq :) or what did france,uk,italia and greece in anatolia at 1919-1922 ? of course they are not killer. they only made a travel ...

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In Athens 1000 unarmed Turkish inhabitants were massacred by the Greek militia during the Greek War of Independence without mercy. On 14 August 1974, 89 Turkish Cypriots were executed by damned EOKA B in Muratağa, Sandallar and Atlılar. That's not all. In 1182, tens of thousands of Latins were were slaughtered by the Byzantines. You're not innocent, but cruel. erkanaykac, you are right. They didn't attack to Anatolia. They must have made a travel.

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when was this happened in Athens? u wanna talk about how many thousands Greeks were killed by Turks in 400 years of slavery???u wanna talk about what happened in Cyprus in 1974? r u serius???do u know how many were killed?how many r missing since then?i've read recently the massacre u r saying in 1182...i'm not sure if this is true. i dont deny it, i'm only having some doubts even if i can say about what happened a few years later in 1204 by Latins...and of course what happened in Smyrna in 1922...we can talk for days about the brave soldiers when entered the city how many were killed, raped, gone...massacred...and on and on and on..!this is rediculus...u wana start historical debate here and u dont have the knowledge to do that..!

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----misuselthegreat----

Will you please calm down and stop screaming like a little child..

Read Oguzhandj's brilliant reply and take note of how to conduct an arguement.

"If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kinda pussy to drink it." -Mr Rory Breaker

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i'm screaming now..?go play with your toys honey...and brush your teeth before u sleep..!

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ok lets speak then, normans have been attacked by the former romans (greeks) king arthur stories will tell you, greece was macedonia not greece before romans attacked and took it and especially to this dumb centence of yours "and of course what happened in Smyrna in 1922" here is the answer, we did not start the first world war, you started and you got punished, you accept or not :D went back with the same dream as you ve allways had making istanbul(islam-bol) constaninople but it just couldnt happen :D, plus cyprus was ours and we took it back and yes i accept istanbul was yours, take it back if you can ^^, this is what brave means :D

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ah you forgot what happened in africa, of course they brought the babel, the book of God, the holly book, the only right way they brought to africa, they thought the cannibels to live without eating and killing each other fo course but the little detail is where did all these diamonds gone to after they left the book in africa? :))))))))))) seriously this is being too funny :D

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As a Turk, I found the movie highly unrealistic. Especially the point of view of the movie is disturbingly biased in favor of Ottomans which should have been the aggresors. As has been the case with so many Turkish movies, here again, nearly all Ottomans are portrayed as just, righteous and brave icons, while the Byzantians who were supposed to be defending their homeland and their very lives, were shown as a bunch of nasty people that deserve to be "conquered". In one scene, The emperor Constantine, who is in fact a sober character, and well aware that Ottomans may overwhelm his city, is portrayed as a bloodthirsty tyrant that welcomes the siege with a violent fervor at the center of the great hippodrome which is also graphically modeled as if it was from the Justinian era. No, he was simply not that kind of person, and no, at that date hippodrome was only a shadow of itself, unrepaired and damaged at various places, and not used for a public rally against the siege. The battle scenes also occupy a small part of the movie. The majority of the plot deals with the Mehmet's legitimacy to rule as a young and inexperienced monarch and his endless humiliation by the Ottoman "authorities". This subject is overextended in the movie, so there remained little time to the actual siege and aftermath. The breaking of the city walls and in-city fighting is non existent in the movie, as well as how the ships are moved on land to the Golden Horn. In one scene we see Mehmet contemplating about his failure to take the city after 40 days, in the next scene we see the ships in Golden Horn and voila! the Ottomans win the day. What did they decide to do, how they planned the attack and all that stategy? There is nothing. Of course there are no scenes of the sacking of the city, no scenes of the mass rape and killings of the civilians. Even the first breaking in to the Hagia Sophia and the killing in there is replaced by a peaceful takeover and the inhabitants of the church is allowed to exercise their religion freely. Even there is a scene that Mehmet hugs and kisses a Byzantine baby to show how tolerant he is to his new subjects. His political and religious tolerance may be historically true, but he is never witnessed to do such a thing, especially right after a conquest. The special effects and computerized cinematic scenes, though, is a step forward when you consider Turkish cinema industry. The only plus of this movie will be, it will encourage more movies to work on special effects and come up with better products.

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respect..!

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I like your critical summary of the film. It's not a bad movie for what it intends to be, but the nationalism makes me feel nauseated. I'm an American, and I hate all the patriotic American movies the same as I hate patriotic Turkish or Chinese movies.

The final scene when he hugs and kisses the little blond girl was laughably bad. I understand that the purpose of the scene was to express Mehmet's tolerance in a compressed 1 minute scene. But the scene was too much. It was too sentimental. This is especially true when you must consider the realistic possibility that the little blond girl's father may have just been killed by Mehmet's army.

Another plot point that bothered me is how the Turkish army kept complaining about the siege taking too long. A 40 day siege does not seem long at all. I think some cities were sieged for years.

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my friend, as i see your name, you are a greek, i have been acting really dumb to many others but , A BIG THANK YOU TO YOU MAN, you are seriously accepted as a brother by me (by a turk ) no matter you greek or whatever, thanks for speaking logic and keeping on your mind that this is only a "film" :D

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Hey all the people relax. History is just a way of convincing people that the contemprory politics of governments actually has roots and meanings. History is told differently in different countries. I know, because I've seen it.

Greeks are -in school- taught that, they lived in slavery under the iron fisted rule of Ottoman Empire for 400 years and thousands of people died. They are taught that Alexander the Great was Greek, not Macedonian.

And Turks are taught -in school- that we were the great nation under the name of Allah, most of the time as just and forgiving as they can be for the time being. They have let them live their religion freely etc.

Macedonians are taught -in schools- that they are not Greek whatsoever nor Alexander the Great is.

Armenians are taught there was a planned Genocide and Turkish army came and killed every single Armenian they saw. Turks are taught it was nothing planned and Armenians were only forced to be relocated and many died along the way.

And does it matter? NO! It doesn't matter what they show in the movies, it doesn't matter what they teach in schools, what matters is we shouldn't have to live through the history again. It was bloody, dishonest and uncivilized. One way or the other where were bad people both Turkish and Greek, and they lived together for centuries.
What matters is, when I went to Greece and told that I am from Turkey, they greeted me with open arms. And I have many Greek friends who isn't any different than anyone Turkish or Muslim or whatever.

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i have many greek friends,too, thanks for your wise words but the reasomn of your wise words is your blood brother, we have allways been the same believe me :D, for example i do not miss a single episode of spartacus and i take the part of the greek side as well as they fight for truely for their honour, freedom and for their people, no matter what the true story is, i do care about what s happening in the movie which i am giving my time for, so far i can see in that movie the greeks are the good side even if it wasnt so in the history who cares, i watch the movie and i enjoy it very much even more than i enjoyed fetih 1453 to be honest, MY FINAL WORDS ARE;
These are movies, films only no more than that and what so happened in the history has already happened and it is past, neither the greeks can change the facts nor the turks can they? :)

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i have many greek friends,too, thanks for your wise words but the reason of your wise words is your blood brother, we have allways been the same believe me :D, for example i do not miss a single episode of spartacus and i take the part of the greek side as well as they fight for truely for their honour, freedom and for their people, no matter what the true story is, i do care about what s happening in the movie which i am giving my time for, so far i can see in that movie the greeks are the good side even if it wasnt so in the history who cares, i watch the movie and i enjoy it very much even more than i enjoyed fetih 1453 to be honest, MY FINAL WORDS ARE;
These are movies, films only no more than that and what so happened in the history has already happened and it is past, neither the greeks can change the facts nor the turks, can they? :) i just love my home, my people as anybody does, when i am hungry, i get bread from my people dont i? i share my life with my people dont i? but my words should never been taken wrong, i m not racist and i do not hate any nation, since i hate the ones that generalise and one more thing for the ones that did not like the movie before it was even released, since you made it such a big problem in your heads, you are accepting that it is an awesome movie, what being told is already in your life, you like it or not, accept it changed your life and if something changed your life, believe me it is stronger than you and whatever is stronger than your feelings is a legend in your life

and i also would like to add an important saying of myself as a notice for the ones who think that they turkish are themselves;

You cant born as a turk but you can die as a turk

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i agree in most of the things you said, but...Alexander the Great was Greek Macedonian, Macedonia was a territory in northerrn Greece. Skopje who wants the name and the history of Macedonia is inhabitant by Slavs who came south in the 9-10 century...you can find in youtube their president Gligorov admitting that.you are right about the history and the traps it hides but for the Greeks Minor Asia is something special and all Minor Asia has its Greek element all over it self...when u represent the conquest of a city and showing that the conquered were the bad and specifically here Mehmet entered Agia Sofia and hugged the children i didnt know what to do laugh or get mad...thanx!

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As I said before, your big brothers had enough played with the toy called history. Now, let the other side play with it. Dont be so sellfish. It is a movie, isn't it. It is not a history book. (Words are derived from some Western commenters after some disgusting lies about history of Islam).
So take it easy.
If you are an ordinary guy, keep playing with the street history. It will keep you warm and give you a meaning of life by creating an OTHER for you.
This movie was for our ordinary guy.
But if you want to know real history, you would be much confused to spot who is just and righteous and who is not? It is not about nations, it is about the human itself.

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I'm curious ... has anyone in Greece found a way to watch this? How can I find it? As for the rest, I believe the producing country has every right to show things from their point of view ... and all of us will watch and gain something of it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUsOaB5V2c

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