Have you heard the reaction of Greeks on this movie? They say "The Turks make themselves look as conquerors of the world, they insult us,...bla bla bla" Even before it is released, soo funny! Like that never took place, and the movie is all fiction!
Hey, what's with this inferiority complex, man? It was centuries ago, get over it already! :))
if it were made a film that shows Turks as butchers, lets say maybe from Kurds, or lets say...Armenians, or Greeks would u go and see it and enjoy it??? ( i suppose u r a Turk ).the conquer of Constantinopole its a fact nobody cant deny it, but if its been shown like an ideal thing from the saviors Turks and avoiding the massacres thats been done to the Greek people for 3 days from the Ottomans, than yes its a bit insaulting..! read what others saying before u judge them with "blab bla bla..!"
shareThat depends on who represents Byzantines more. (Genetically population of turkey represents Byzantines more,whose founders were Latins).
Nobody denies (i am sure even this movie wont) the 3 day looting permitted under sharia, which caused many deaths by unchecked militia. But also nobody has right to deny that religious guaranties (letters still in orthodox churches of balkans), and a surviving orthodox population for 500 years contrasts the picture(full annihilation) painted by modern Greeks.
You do not really get the point of art, do you? Everything made by Turks is propaganda and promoting Islamic ideas. In every thing like this one, even in youtube you guys see no problem getting out of the spectrum that the material holds. I will not breif you what happened in 600 years ago and everybody would agree with me when I say religion was the motivational part for the both sides so I do not really get angry when I see Crosses or Templars nor Islamic figures. That was back then. Not cause I am Turkish, I will enjoy this movie cause this is the first time it has been made as I enjoyed 300.
Respectfully.
i disagree that religion was the motivation...maybe at some part but these was years were full of war.religion wasnt the reason Mehmet invaded Constantinopole.it was a matter of "honor" for him and the growing of Ottoman empire.Constantinopole was the centre of the world for almost 1000 years, he wanted to conquer it for him self mostly...my opinion of course as i am respect yours...
P.S. ask your self, would you enjoy 300 if you were Iranian..???
Every damn movie made by Holywood isnt Propoganda of Western Culture or Is it? There is always one bad guy with a lot of power and one Great European or American stop that Bad guys. Wake up There is no such thing pure evil in Real life.Try to Remember someone in your life pure evil ?
share"Everything made by Turks is propaganda and promoting Islamic ideas."
This my dear friend is called, Ad Hominem.
It's also called ridiculous and demonstrably wrong.
I've only seen a small handful of Turkish films, but the films of Ceylan most definitely are not Islamic propaganda, nor are films like Journey to the Sun or Yol.
I suppose on a clear day you can see the class struggle from here
What i cannot understand is Americans have been making such movies for ages. They have shown the wars thay lost as if they won. For god's sake it is our first best movie. Why do you have to mention about the massacre or whatever. Greek people killed us we killed them or the others killed us and we killed them. Does this mean that we still have to fight and kill each other. As you said the conquer of Istanbul is a fact that nobody can deny. And it is totally true that Turks killed a lot of soldiers. And also a lot of Ottoman soldiers died too. But we cannot know if Ottomans killed innocent people or we cannot know Greek soldiers killed innocent people. Those days world order was like that. Now it is different. SO let's just enjoy the movie. Because when u say that Ottomans killed Greek people then i will say Greek people killed lots of innocent Turks and even babies. As a result the discussion will not end.
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Americans get disturbed seeing Byzantian soldiers die even in a movie.
They are so much emotional when it comes to massacre. Just ask the Native Americans or people in Middle East, Afganistan, Iraq, Palestine etc...
By the way, Rambo is better than Fetih 1453. Turks should focus on making Vietnam movies where a single soldier kills all worthless non-americans and save the world. That's what I call a movie based on historical facts.
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Here is the difference. A film showing Turks as butchers would be nothing more than propaganda trash, and there are countless such movies out there. As for this film, it is about a HISTORIC EVENT, NOT some fictionalized story of evil them vs us.
How come somebody makes a film about Turkish history and you people have to attack it?? Does everything have to be about the great blonde western europeans?? Well, that's not History, that's propaganda.
As for the 'massacres done to Greeks for 3 days', you're referring to the looting of the city by the conquering forces, which was standard practice by ALL nations at that time in history and was done in order to appease their troops. It was not 'massacre against the Greeks' this is a very non-historical anachronistic and wrong point of view.
How come somebody makes a film about Turkish history and you people have to attack it??
Constantinople was capital of the Roman Empire, not Greece. Greeks have no reason to be offended by this movie, because in 1453 the real Roman Empire fell and greeks didn't exist as a people back then.
It was a sad day for all christendom nontheless.
Greeks exist a couple of thousand years before the birth of Christ...so they were existed in 1453..!on the other hand Byzantines were thinking them selves like Greeks and not Romans...thats why the Crusaders conquered first Constantinopole and took everything...when the Ottomans threatened Constantinopole and asked the help of the Pope he was delayed very long to send army and he sent to few..!i agree about the sadness of that day...they stole and destroy most of the treasures and monuments...and made one one of the greatest church man even built in to a mosque...
shareLook I am not like those who see Greeks as enemies or whatever, but come on! I've been to Athens and Rhodes.. And yes I came across some historic mosques but you know what? None of them are being used and actually they are in very bad shape. Hagia Sophia is at least well-protected and is not used as a mosque, it is a museum at the moment.
Events must not be evaluated without considering the era they took place in (as you were discussing in another topic for this movie). What I meant to say in the earlier post was, it is weird that a "movie" about a war which took place centuries ago still makes Greeks uncomfortable and feel offended. A movie is a movie, we all know that (right?). So, is it that important whether it is accurate?
well i'm curious to see how this event will be shown from a Turkish director...from the trailer i saw that byzantines were the "bad guys" at least from the look and the style of the actors...the first mistake i saw is that he could learn the actors some greek and latin words for the proper roles...or at least hire some greek and italian actors...like a film was made some years ago about a greek who left Istanbul and returned to see his grandpa and met a Turkish girl he knew as a child..!its easy for you to say "come on" get over it" i would do the same...u cant feel like we do...greeks were in minor asia for 3000 years and been thrown away just like that...do you know how would feel if someone was coming and say to u "leave or die"????
shareSo you say you don't want to remember that grievous period of history of yours, and a movie about that should never be made, huh?
no, i never said that...probably i will see the movie and than i will judge if i like it or not...only the movies dont have to be made with a way that insaults a group or team of people...or a nation..!
shareCrusaders, didnt conquer Constantinople first, it was the 4th Crusade. And the line was not religion( 4th crusade is the event that marked east-west split).
Even the last emperor himself, crowned as Roman empire, only that Popes didnt want to use the term used slightly modified version. No nation alone can assume ownership of a classical empire. That is why it is not called a kingdom.
ANd one more thing, Hagia Sofia was bought by Foundation of Mehmet II, the papers are still in the archives.
excuse me but i dont think i understood that last one right...u say that Mehmet II when entered Hagia Sofia ( there was a massacre inside the church cos every unarmed human was in the city run there cos they thought that they will be spared there...no one survived when Otomans came! )bought the Church???bought from whom???he asked from the Byzantine emperor to surrend him the city and the emperor refused that and than he gave him the greatest monument the city had???basically that couldnt be done cos he was dead...i really cant understand what do u mean cos it doesnt make sense...he conquered the city, why bought anything inside the city??what foundation???the moment Mehmet entered the church he turned it in to a mosque.if u want to explain more cos you r totally wrong in this one..!
shareyou'r the one who's funny. these days everybody knows the story of the upcoming movies even the end of them months before their theater releases..!armenians genocide took place a century ago but when France officially recognize it your president became furious!there some things that u just cant get over them..!i doubt if really know what happened in 1453...your media r full of propaganda..!
shareWhen there is a war,people're dying. Even in 21st century, people are dying in wild wars.
I am not sure what is your point ;Fatih Sultan Mehmet suppose to knock the door and say : Excuse me guys,would you mind to give me the city,i don't wanna hurt anyone.
then XI. Konstantin replies : Sure,make yourself home..go on..
Got my point?
What is the propaganda about ? Historical fact of "Veni, vidi, vici" with the way we are seeing (or learned)
Show me at least one movie (greek) not showing Turks as Barbarians or while showing the Turks barbarian,there may be some "good Turks" as well.
I haven't seen any.
Long story short,whether it is a propaganda( as you mentioned) we were stronger,strategically smarter,so we conquered (oppss).
While ur (or others) talking about how Byzantium people get killed by Ottomans (eghmmm war, what greek people did in Izmir to Turkish people?-including women and children),why don't you make a bit research about how he was and his dynasty were tyrant!
r u sure u wanna start that kind of conversation here????read more about what happenend in Izmir, in war people r dying yes, but they didnt have to kill every woman and child was in the church...they couldnt hurt them..!propaganda is that u want to make the conquest of a city to an epic battle and the conquered people as tha bad guys..!in the city they were 10000 men to defend it and outside 200000-300000 soldiers to take over the city and a canon that was a bit big..!if this is what u mean stronger, smarter and more strategical minds, than yes i got your point..!
shareOMG!!Please learn some real history or at least read some good history books before commenting about the history. Everybody can see how brained-washed by your government right now? So Turks are always the barbarians and evil and greeks are the most gentle creature in the world right? We are in the freaking 21st century and you are still mourning about the fall of Istanbul. Pleaseee...!!! I bet you still believe some day Greece will get the Istanbul back
Just pathetic
OMG!!Please learn some real history or at least read some good history books before commenting about the history. Everybody can see how brained-washed by your government right now? So Turks are always the barbarians and evil and greeks are the most gentle creature in the world right? We are in the freaking 21st century and you are still mourning about the fall of Istanbul. Pleaseee...!!! I bet you still believe some day Greece will get the Istanbul back
there's something i wanna learn from a greek really;
-is war a kind of event where Turks supposed to be the ones to get killed? so that way u can call that "war" obviously; because during that 15.century the world was on fire and there was so dynamic kingdoms throughout Europe. The nations were invading other nations' lands and that was what we call War. War is about invading and owning and for that result, people kill people for what they believe in (not only religion but for every type of separation of menkind).
-if Ottomans were pressurizing the orthodoks, why does this belief still has followers and monastries in İstanbul and how could they survive? please search for the letters between Flacius Illyricus and Zigerius. And also check out the finance behind Martin Luther and Calvinists... You will see what was Ottomans were up to. It was all about having a peaceful Empire and making that happen by surrounding and supporting all religions against Vatikan. Turks weren't barbarian. Turks were too loyal to last the pan-slaism ages successfully.Because Turks never pressurised an assimilised any different cultures on Ottoman Empire lands. If they had done this, now nobody would ever call Turks barbarians because everybody would be aware that Smyrna is Izmir for loooong centuries and it was still Izmir when Greeks claimed that Turks invaded Izmir in 1900's.Or nobody would bother to call Istanbul Constantinapole, because while Greeks were living happily ever after within Ottoman Empire and secured from Vatikan, Constantinapole was nothing but an old city which lasted centuries ago.
So lets say, war is war and if you lose, this is what can possibly happen 50% of the time. and if someone claims to have a land even 500 years later then they lose it, they weren't thaught well about reality...
there's something i wanna learn from a greek really;
-is war a kind of event where Turks supposed to be the ones to get killed? so that way u can call that "war" obviously; because during that 15.century the world was on fire and there was so dynamic kingdoms throughout Europe. The nations were invading other nations' lands and that was what we call War. War is about invading and owning and for that result, people kill people for what they believe in (not only religion but for every type of separation of menkind).
-if Ottomans were pressurizing the orthodoks, why does this belief still has followers and monastries in İstanbul and how could they survive? please search for the letters between Flacius Illyricus and Zigerius. And also check out the finance behind Martin Luther and Calvinists... You will see what was Ottomans were up to. It was all about having a peaceful Empire and making that happen by surrounding and supporting all religions against Vatikan. Turks weren't barbarian. Turks were too loyal to last the pan-slaism ages successfully.Because Turks never pressurised an assimilised any different cultures on Ottoman Empire lands. If they had done this, now nobody would ever call Turks barbarians because everybody would be aware that Smyrna is Izmir for loooong centuries and it was still Izmir when Greeks claimed that Turks invaded Izmir in 1900's.Or nobody would bother to call Istanbul Constantinapole, because while Greeks were living happily ever after within Ottoman Empire and secured from Vatikan, Constantinapole was nothing but an old city which lasted centuries ago.
So lets say, war is war and if you lose, this is what can possibly happen 50% of the time. and if someone claims to have a land even 500 years later then they lose it, they weren't thaught well about reality...
r u sure u wanna start that kind of conversation here????read more about what happenend in Izmir, in war people r dying yes, but they didnt have to kill every woman and child was in the church...they couldnt hurt them..!propaganda is that u want to make the conquest of a city to an epic battle and the conquered people as tha bad guys..!in the city they were 10000 men to defend it and outside 200000-300000 soldiers to take over the city and a canon that was a bit big..!if this is what u mean stronger, smarter and more strategical minds, than yes i got your point..!
french and armenians suck, since they cant even explain what happened in tunisia, morocco, algeria and a lot more, hope you get what i mean,france should give an answer about their own *beep* first
share“Propaganda”
Yes, it is and should be. It’s in the genes of movie production from the very start to the Hollywood and so on. So criticizing this one or on other picture as propaganda, a bit nugatory.
“Bad Greek Guys”
Like the given example – 300 – there is always the good guys and the bad guys. And yes Iranians probably feel uncomfortable watching that. But that’s an other story while talking about the movie and its aesthetic and technical quality. This can simply explained by the point of view. Because it’s target audience mainly Turks that why things happen that way in the scenario.
“Its Just a Movie”
Exactly. And It should be just historically accurate as “Inglourious Basterds”
You like that one, ha?
Regards.
:) Nice one... If it would be as accurate, Ottomans would lose in the movie and Istanbul would still be called as Constantinapole; the capital of Byzantinian Republic or something :P
shareI guess it's as funny as the reaction of a Jewish person watching a film with Hitler as the good guy, since it's mostly about religion...That was not fiction either, and there are lots of people who haven't got over it (although they may, in a few centuries, right?)
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