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Most overrated boxer of all time....


Even more overrated than Mayweather Jr.

At least Mayweather is smart and made a s@#4-load of money fighting like a pussy and acting like a little girl.

Instead, this Mexican Duran dude first of all tried to migrate to the US to try to clean toilets. Hence Donald Trump's idea of building a wall at the US-Mexico border, so that we no longer get any more Duran boxers migrating to our GREAT COUNTRY! Speaking of which, I'm recruiting votes for Trump, so trust me you should vote for him if you want to make America great again.

Anyhow, back to Duran, his biggest insult is stealing the name of one of the biggest bands of the 80s (Duran Duran) and getting away with it. I mean, not only this stinky Mexican moves to our country, he rides on Duran Duran's fame and glory by stealing his name and changing his MExican name "Pablo Burrito" to "Roberto Duran"!!!

Come on!!! This guy and the mexican actor guy Edgar Rumirez who played him, should be deported back to mexico, so they can work as drug junkies for their druglords.

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Lol obvious troll is obvious. You'd have be an idiot to fall for this. Dude all you had to do was call Duran a Mexican, that by itself would have been enough bait. Instead you over did it big time.

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I would however recommend the film Barbarella to anyone reading this thread. Milo O'Shea is excellent in it. :-)

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I will check it out thanks

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You'd have be an idiot to think the OP was trying to HIDE the fact that he's trolling.

In fact, he's not trolling, he's just making a joke.

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Duran is Panamanian.

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The most overrated boxers of all time are Rocky Marciano, Julio Caesar Chavez and Mike Tyson.

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You sound like a real expert.

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Disagree with you about Chavez. Tyson was probably overrated. And Marciano is definitely overrated. He beat everybody he had to beat, and I'd still say he was probably great, but absolutely overrated. Chavez was (is) an all time great until he hit the wall.

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what the *beep* are you talking about? Tyson was far from overrated. Drugs and a fast life ended his career prematurely, but overrated? You need a history lesson on boxing.

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Overrated in what regard? Fan praise? Media praise? Recognition from boxing experts? Top 10 lits?

Marciano wasn't as good as his perfect record. And the overpraise on him was no fault of his own. But he did beat a lot of good fighters, and won when up against the wall. Most experts do not put him in the top 10 all time HW's, nor should they. Probably would have made the best cruiserweight ever, had there been such a division.

Chavez maybe so. He was admired by many, and ran up a huge string of wins and at his peak he had real skills, and a great chin. But the win over Taylor was robbery, same with the draw against Whittaker. He also jumped across divisions and organizations to win a lot of titles which trumped up his pedigree. When he fought De La Hoya, he was whipped, badly, and it made it look like he was never that good.

Tyson at his peak was a monster. The Tyson that beat Biggs, Holmes, Tubbs and culminating with the destruction of Spinks was ferocious, and anything but overrated. But he had numerous problems that started quickly after that, mostly after signing with Don King, quickly his flaws were badly magnified, and he was indeed soon overpraised, overhyped and overrated. The Tyson that bit Holyfield was a pathetic version of what was once great promise.

I'd say Felix Trinidad could be on such a list, both Manny Pacquio and Floyd Mayweather jr. too. I'd even say Oscar De La Hoya's career is similar to Chavez. He ran up a bunch of wins, but then lost to Shane Mosley, shoudl have lost to Felix Sturm, was stopped by Bernard Hopkins helped add Mayweather both the overhype list in a snoozefest, and showed up to collect a paycheck against Pacqiao.

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dude if you're saying Marciano, Chavez and Tyson are overrated, then Duran MUST BE !!!

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You go ahead and continue wasting your time recruiting votes for Trump. He has no chance of winning. He is entertaining, though. It's always fun to watch someone who only opens his mouth to change feet.

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He did lose quite a few times, and I think just about every single time he fought in Las Vegas.

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He's not Mexican he's Panamanian.

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Many boxing historians consider Duran to be the greatest lightweight boxer of all time. His career had pleny of ups and downs once he moved up in weight but he's still an All Time Great. Like a lot of boxers though he did fight on for too long. I believe he had over a hundred fights by the time he was done at 50.

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Wow! 50 years old. That's toooo old to be boxing. He must have needed the money badly.

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You're wrong.
His Father is Mexican.

So he is in fact half Mexican.

Try to know what you're talking about before you type something.

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Mom Panamaian, now I don't know about Spanish culture, but is the child's nationality determined by the mom or the dad?

In the movie he does meet his father who is Mexican. But Roberto considered himself Panamaian.

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How about you and I box for charity.

You up for it.

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I'm sorry but can someone please explain:

How is Duran NOT overrated?

What did he achieve? seriously ?

You want to know some REAL welter and midweight boxers:

Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns (this one KOed Duran so badly, dude didn't get up for days)

Duran could never beat any of them ! He cheated his way out against Leonard, then chickened out on the rematch crying like a sissy "no more, can't take no more"...

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He's not overrated because he is possibly the greatest Lightweight of all-time.

He also won world title bouts in 1972 and 1989. That type of long term success is rare.

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For one, out of the four kings he was the only one to have beaten Leonard, and he moved up in weight to do it.

He was the most dominant lightweight at the time he was basically unbeatable.

If we had a fully focused Duran we have one of the most multifaceted fighters ever. He was very capable of fighting on the inside his fight against Palomino showed that to an incredible extent, here he was against a very strong welterweight who was known for fighting on the inside, Duran dismantled him.

Duran was very crafty as well the whole pull counter that some modern fighters do? Duran used to do that expertly. Waltzing opponents? Duran did this multiple times at Lightweight. Using Feints to gauge what an opponent would do and using that knowledge against them? Again something Duran does brilliantly, Lomachenko also does this and he is regarded by some as the best p4p fighter we have currently. Landing shots while simultaneously avoiding or blocking the opponents shots? he was an expert at that. He had one of the best uppercuts as well something that is horribly underutilized in boxing, watch some of his fights when the opponent cliches, Duran barely needs any room to throw the uppercut its ridiculous.

Duran is in no way over-rated, he is one of the best fighters of all time, he unfortunately fought well past his prime however was still able to beat decent fighters.

His fight with Hearns as you mentioned that one, he got up pretty shortly after being knocked out cold, he was gone before he hit the floor, plus Hearns on that night was quicker then I have ever seen him, that shot that landed on Duran would have floored pretty much everyone bar Hagler, it sounded like someone being shot for god sake.

You seem to forget, Hagler, Hearns and Leonard all had massive height and reach advantages over Duran, plus all three of them were fighting in there natural weight classes and were freaks of nature, Hearns is one of the tallest, fastest and strongest punching welterweights of all time, Leonard had so much natural athletic ability and was very fast as well, that makes him a hard combo to beat, and Hagler, he was a natural middleweight with the strongest chin in boxing, he also to me is very under-rated as a boxer people think of him as a puncher, but his ability to switch hit is excellent, he is always in a position to attack and has brilliant rhythm.

Its a shame what happened in the second Leonard fight, Duran was underprepared for that one, he looked sluggish compared to what he was like before, I believe if he had much more focus the fight would have been much more competitive, he would have still lost because mentally Leonard was in the zone in that fight but it would have been close.

All in all Duran is a joy to watch for casual fans as well as people that pay attention to the finer details, watch some videos on Duran on youtube by a boxing fan called "leewylie" i think the videos are called scientific streetfighting etc, the guy knows how to analyse fighters and he shows exactly what Duran is capable of.

He isnt over-rated in the slightest, now Julio Chavez Junior? Yep over-rated along with Canelo "I am basically a light-heavyweight but refuse to go above light-middleweight" Alverez.

Its good to learn new things, you ought to try it once in a while.

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that's what lightweights are supposed to do

I really don't see the merit of Duran, other than being another Mexican who was close to the top but never made it.

By the way, if you correctly recall, Leonard beat the crap out of him, and Duran ran like a little girl quiting in the middle of the fight, because he knew he was gonna get killed.

I mean, who does that?

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Wait lightweights are suppose to move up in weight? so your saying that every single lightweight out there is suppose to move up???

I understand lightweights moving up in weight after they have outgrown there weight class, Duran was over 30 when he moved up in weight I would say he moved out of his natural weight class to one which is higher. Thats not outgrowing his weight class.

Why do you keep saying mexican for? what has that got to do with anything? Does the race of a fighter mean that much to you?

Dont bother saying if you correctly recall as well thats just dumb everyone knows about that fight, and also if you correctly recall he made Leonard look stupid in there first fight when Leonard thought he could stand toe to toe with Duran and got the crap beat out of him for doing so, against a physically smaller guy how pathetic.

Duran in the second Leonard fight was not physically or mentally prepared, Leonard was, Leonard had nothing to lose in the second fight, which only made his preparation stronger.

Also from your response you didnt even bother looking for any of the technical skills Duran possessed which made him that much more capable as a fighter, for someone such as yourself claiming a lot you seem to be very incompetent at doing any basic research.

Duran is an all time great, his technical prowess when matched with his controlled aggression and when he was mentally prepared makes him a very tough fighter to beat at lightweight, there are only two lightweight fighters I would say who could match up to him which are Vasyl Lomachenko and Manny Pacquiao.

At welterweight more fighters can beat him, however, that to me is not a flaw in his skill, its more physical, he is a small welterweight.

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Duran as a lightweight/welterweight is top 10 all-time...a buzzsaw.


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