he don't get paid ??????
Or will anyone else?
Will you??
If you don't get paid???
If we have everything we need and can do what we love and want, the job and life as a whole is the reward in itself :)
shareThe peer reviewed scientific literature has demonstrated unanimously for DECADES that tasks that require creative or critical thinking are UNDERMINED by incentives. ONLY straight forward tasks are benefited by the introduction of incentives, all of which are in the process of being automated. Look up Dan Pink's TEDTalks lecture on youtube entitled "The Surprising Science of Motivation" for a short introduction, or the more entertaining RSAnimate version. If neither of those are sufficient I could list practically a dozen separate, independent studies at LEAST that I have written down.
In other words, our incentive system is actually UNDERMINING scientific and technological progress! Throw intellectual property rights, copyright and patents in there and you begin to see even more how our current system is stifling progress. A RBE would facilitate progress in this regard.
One man's job is another man's passion. Consider open source software. Linux, Firefox, Wikipedia, etc. Wikipedia is an example that competed with Encarta. Encarta employed a number of writers and researchers, paid them plenty of money and ended up with half the material in twice the time as Wikipedia, which was largely put together by free volunteers.
People enjoy doing research activities in areas of their particular interests for free, believe it or not.
Wikipedia is a horrible example to use if you're trying to make your point. It may have more "information" than Encarta in half the time, but it's extremely flawed and a horrible resource, primarily because ANYONE CAN edit it and put all sorts of wrong information into it.
http://www.centsports.com/?opcode=145993
Studies have found that the reliability of Wikipedia articles on scientific and technical articles are on par with Britannica. Personally, I'm amazed how reliable it is, and how relatively uncommon vandalism is.
Anyone can edit and put all sorts of wrong information into it, but anyone can edit and correct wrong information as well. The key to making sure the information is correct is to check the referenced material and/or citations. Some of my professors wouldn't allow me to cite Wikipedia over worries of reliability, but it was still extremely useful for getting an overview of the subject, and the references listed.
In regards to the OP's questions:
"Yeah, but will Steve Jobs invent amazing products if ....
he don't get paid ??????"
Steve Jobs, as far as I'm aware, never invented anything. He's a marketer by training and trade. Maybe you're thinking of Steve Wozniak?
"Or will anyone else?"
I don't know, ask them.
"Will you??
If you don't get paid???"
Yes, hopefully :) I don't want to be an inventor, per se, but more of a researcher/scientist. I'm not a big fan of restrictive patents, and proprietary knowledge. If I wanted to make crap-loads of money doing stuff I wasn't interested in, I could. But I'm not interested in crap-loads of money, so I don't. On the other hand, many people are only interested in money, but most of them end up trying to sell crappy products, rip off people, sell drugs, etc. They're always trying to make the most money they can with the least amount of work possible. The people who come up with the most innovative and revolutionary ideas don't seem to care about money too much. Hell, Einstein was a socialist.
Also, I wouldn't call any of Apple's products since the Apple-I very important or new. They make good products, but it's the marketing where they excel. MP3 players were out before the iPod. Smart phones where out before the iPhone. Tablet PCs have been out a very long time, and it's took Apple this long to release the iPad.
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Consider open source software. Linux, Firefox, Wikipedia, etc.
our best inventions have been created by not so rich men, the airplane, automobile, telephone, etc etc etc... fact is no one knows if the next great inventor is stuck behind a cubicle somewhere.
shareidk what would you do all day if you had nothing to worry about and all your needs where met...maybe tinker in your garage...build things maybe...some people like to create
shareWe don't create and do things because we get paid.
We create and do things because its our nature.
So, yes! Steve Jobs would still invent "amazing" products if he didn't get paid.
And if you don't believe me you can try a small and very easy experiment on yourself.
For just one week - Don't do ANYTHING you wont get paid for. And I mean ANYTHING!
Good luck!
PS. It has to bee a completely drugfree experiment. Your not aloud to put yourself in a drug induced coma. ;-)
The backwards compatibility bit was especially hilarious, as if an apple II has any point having backwards compatibility with a i7 pc.
It is the kind of fantasy type notion made up by someone who doesn't know a lick about technology. And that is the problem with the film, like the utopians of the past, their ideas are over simplistic, naive, and would only lead to disaster.
With all the forced "considerations" recommended by the authors of this film, none of you lot would have been able to afford a computer if that system was in effect that is for sure.
how can someone be so stupid...there saying build a computer NOW that can be easily updated for a long time...like lasting 15-20 years atleast...instead of 5...you obviouly cant grasp whats even goin on in front of you
shareso youre saying its not possible to build a pc that will last that long? seriously? I have a 20 year old pc sitting in the closet that I can go turn on right now if I had to. the reason I dont use it? because its outdated and the parts arent being built anymore or are hard to find, not because its not doable. we can build pcs that WILL last 20 damn years but theres no profit in having a 4 ghz computer that will last you 20 years because where would amd and intel get profits?
shareJust look at Apple. Throw away tech is the new God of computing. Every year, release the next "Version" of your Macbook, ipod, iphone, ipad, *beep* and people buy them every year. Do you USE your V1.0 or V2.0's any more? Nope. Out with the old and in with the new, but this *beep* is insane. There ARE alternatives to tech building, but what makes more money? Selling the updates, or selling the whole damn enchilada all over again with a new paint job? The money is in making throw away tech, but it's insanely wasteful. I for one am totally on board with making our tech last.
shareactually 4ghz processors are not technically possible. laws of physics dont allow that. we create a virtual "overclocking" there but the processors actualyl dont go above 3 ghz tactical speed. above 3 ghz the waves start to become different type that cannot be utilized in processors. thats why multi-core started appear and thats why new design is builds.
can we make computers last 20 years? sure, i use 12 year old one and its fine. would it be useful? hardly, 12 years ago technology wasnt able to do what it can do now, so no matter how big or complex we do the updates, it simply would end up changing the whole thing, just in parts. beucase if you keep the main idea same, youll result in more materials bieng used for lower end product, that is agiasnt the whole system we are presented here.
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I dont argue that technology from before made big things. however an average person now really couldnt do with a 12 year old computer. trust me, i tried. The main problem is lack of optimization though. most of programs you use really takes much more than you think. for example it doesnt have half the pwoer needed to paly blue ray discs, and im sure most of people in imdb got that. Same thing with the flash usage. falsh is very easy to program in, but its ultimately the worst and most computer hogging language there is. the average person doesnt need new computer or phone every year, but he sure need one more often than 20 years. We need faster processors. we need to do things faster. most of assembly line machines have more processing power than nasa had back then. and they are using it all quite efficiently. even your car has a small computer. could it do without it? sure. does it work better with it - definitely.
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for enough good men to do nothing.
What amazing products are we talking about? A laptop with a nice design?
shareYour assuming that being paid requires receiving some form conveyance that represents a value of effort which is what “legal tender” is and it’s only true value is the desire of the one to acquire it through dept, labor or fraud.
If your concern is all about getting paid (which is reasonable to assume based on effort) then based on the current economic system your efforts are being paid to you far below fair market value based on unfair taxation and hidden deduction based on a conveyance built on dept. In other words you’re paying for the very thing that you get paid with.
Would you pay a dollar fifty to buy one dollar?
Let say you work for me for an hour and in exchange I give you twenty dollars worth of groceries so you can feed your family. Under the current system you will have to work twice as much to “buy” the same amount of groceries that I could give you by taking the middleman (the banks) out of the loop.
This is one of the ideals behind a resource based economy but the banks, not the government, refers to this as the black market economy and “they” would lead you to believe that it is illegal.
In its self money is not an evil, getting paid a fair wage for a fair days work is not evil but rather those who would use “our” means of exchange and the take a cut with out effort is equal to the school yard bully stealing your lunch money.
If people really want to take back “our” economy then do what I do and for every “Federal Reserve” note you spend write in the boarder “TAKE IT BACK”
A small thing but hay you never know.
What would anyone need to get paid for? there is unlimited food, water, shelter, and clothing in this new world they're proposing.
suck my robot balls