Why don't casinos use an infinite deck?


The count is based on a number of decks am I right? I don't understand why doesn't the casino simply either use a digital deck or simply have a mountain of cards that they just keep feeding to the dealer. No more counting. Simple.












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There aren't enough cards in the universe for an infinite deck.

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Some casinos do, they have a 6 deck constant shuffle machine. They put the used cards back into the deck and it randomly shuffles them back into the deck.

So there is no way to count cards.

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Some casinos do, they have a 6 deck constant shuffle machine. They put the used cards back into the deck and it randomly shuffles them back into the deck.

So there is no way to count cards.

Exactly. This is what I meant by "infinite" deck. It seems like a very simple solution to a semi-pervasive problem.








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When they brought in the machines, they realized people were not playing as much and they were losing players and therefore money.

A lot of players are card counters who are not really good at it. Movies like 21 make it sound like BlackJack is a fair game where you can beat the house. Yes, you can, but being good at it without being shown the door or even being barred is in itself a challenge. Casinos don't mind card counters. They mind card counters who do it too well (as in win too often or too big and take the casino for an ATM).

You'll see casinos using a combination of games: some with a CSM (Constant Shuffling Machine) machine, others with a SD or DD (Single Deck or Double Deck) games, but the cards are hidden, you can always see the other players' cards well and the blackjack payoff is usually only 6:5, as well as the regular 6D (6-deck) shoe with a cut card allowing more or less penetration and the usual 3:2 payoff, but these tables are clustered in the same area for a reason. There's usually a lot of heat from the PBs and the EITS.

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When they brought in the machines, they realized people were not playing as much and they were losing players and therefore money.

Ah, this makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the update. It just didn't make sense to me that people were acting that there was no solution to the problem. So I suppose the allure of being able to count cards sucks in enough people where the risk of a few people pulling it off successfully vs. the people that cannot is worth the risk to them. Makes total sense.








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TO have the upper hand not only do you need to be absolutely perfect at your basic strategy, but you need to have a big enough bankroll that you are going to win over time.

Basically, you win 4 times out of 7 if you are really good. Which means you could lose 3 times in a row, or more, before you win several times in a row.

In order to reduce your ruin chances down to 1%, you need a bankroll of about 500 times your minimum bet. Since serious players play $50 at the minimum, I let you do the math.

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In order to reduce your ruin chances down to 1%, you need a bankroll of about 500 times your minimum bet. Since serious players play $50 at the minimum, I let you do the math.

Yes but it is possible to start off on the lower stakes and work your way up. I would imagine it is even easier to get away with it at the lower stakes since they will not eyeball those as much as the mid and higher stakes.





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Yes, it is possible to go to a casino with $100 in your pocket, bet only the minimum, like $10. If you play good basic strategy you can survive a few boots but, eventually, will leave $100 poorer.

In order to win, you need to be able to push up to 5, 10 or even 15 times your minimum betting unit and this without raising suspicion.

But even if you push it to 5 times only, $50 is half of your bank roll. A counter will basically push through a phase where the count is meeeh and wait for the moment (usually mid-boot) where there true count is at least -1 to start ramping up his bets and adjusting his strategy.

So, unless you have a lot of luck and know all the basic strategy deviations and have kept a really good count, you are very unlikely to beat the casino. In fact, casinos make a ton of money out of fools doing just that.

If you are a red chip counter, they don't fear you. You're only taking a small bite out of their profit and they know you'll lose eventually. They KNOW you're counting. They KNOW you suck at it more than you think.

Who they fear are the guys who have the proper bank roll, have basic strategy down to a science and count flawlessly. And master the art of camouflage. That's who they will try to back off, but they also do not want to run the risk of backing off an honest high roller who's just having a good time and can afford to lose big.

That's where the game really is.

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So all in all it is more profitable for the casinos to NOT use an infinite deck so that they can attract the fish that THINK they know how to count than to use an infinite and perhaps weave out the 1% who truly can profitably count.


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Yes and no. They have them at some tables because they will run faster games and therefore gain more profit from the non-counters.

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