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Hope this wins people to Christ


Hope this film wins many to Christ

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Unfortunately most Christian films turn viewers off of Christianity--thinking that Christians must be artistically stunted. And unfortunately that's the case for most evangelicals I've encountered who either produce or watch films of this nature. They usually don't know what constitutes good story-telling or good acting or good directing. This is why I usually ignore Christian movie reviews of nonChristian movies: the Christian reviewers typically don't grasp the point of the story but instead focus on how many swear words there are, acts of violence, or what-have-you.

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Well because u can only push a lie so far, and since movies are fake, they only highlight the hidden or obvious motive, religion. Also a grown person won't switch to religions. U have to have a driving reason, something very traumatizing, problems, being insane, unusual stuff, a common trait most religious ppl have.

The increase in human knowledge is the cause of the decline of religions.

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pktulpepk said:

Well because u can only push a lie so far....

You have utterly misconstrued me. I believe fully in the message of the Bible, and will until my dying day. I was only criticizing the general state of Christian filmmaking--not Christianity itself.

Also a grown person won't switch to religions. U have to have a driving reason, something very traumatizing, problems, being insane, unusual stuff, a common trait most religious ppl have.

This is extremely shallow, uninformed reasoning. How many Christians have you personally known? Or how many have you had a serious discussion with, where you asked them their reasons for converting to Christ?

The increase in human knowledge is the cause of the decline of religions.

An increase in real knowledge gives one valid reasons to believe that the Bible is true and that Jesus Christ is the way of salvation. Some of the most brilliant people in the world are Christians.

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You can differ from the other poster but it is very true. A movie will not win over christians. People to turn to religion when they are going through a tough time and are weak. As a secular humanist I will never believe in your or any religion following a fantasy. You can believe in the bible all you want, but there are many many many people who simply cannot swallow such a huge and obvious lie. Luckily humanity is waking up. The smartest people in the world are ahteists and those who are religious have a very smart way of interpreting the bible and don't believe in a God in the way you do.

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As a secular humanist I will never believe in your or any religion following a fantasy. You can believe in the bible all you want, but there are many many many people who simply cannot swallow such a huge and obvious lie.


Can you please explain why your fantasy that you have free will in an atheistic universe is 'better' than someone's fantasy regarding God? Clearly the idea of free will in an atheistic universe is a huge and obvious lie. How is one thing that's impossible to ever prove - i.e. free will - better than another?

Luckily humanity is waking up.


Can you please provide some evidence for this? Considering that only 2% of the world population are atheists it seems a little bit absurd.

The smartest people in the world are ahteists and those who are religious have a very smart way of interpreting the bible and don't believe in a God in the way you do.


Where is your evidence that the smartest people in the world are atheists? Given that only a measly 2% of people in the world are atheists, and presuming that a number of those atheists are not the smartest people in the world, this seems like another absurd comment. In fact it is obviously just a belief you have that is based on your own opinion and circular logic. Let's assume though, for the sake of the argument, that you are right. So what? Since when is intellect the only important factor in being human? If true - though clearly it isn't - the only thing your assertion regarding smart people proves is that some people place too much importance on intellect and exclude other, equally important human traits such as emotion, intuition and spirituality. But hey - if you want to be nothing more than a computer then more power to you.

Let's just say, once again for the sake of argument, that your unproven and highly dubious claim regarding smart people and atheism is true. No doubt you'll want to exclude the greatest, most important intellects in human history - i.e. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton and Einstein - because they weren't atheists and therefore refute your claim. Surely though we do have to include the greatest mass murderers in human history - Hitler and Stalin - who were atheists? Clearly secular humanism is a fantasy and is intellectually dishonest because there is no basis whatsoever for morality in an atheistic universe. If, when you die, you are completely gone and are therefore completely unaware of anything you were when alive, and anything that happens in the future after you die, obviously it makes absolutely no difference what you do in your life. Your life is completely and utterly meaningless and can only ever affect other lives who will also disappear. Even if you manage to be a rare someone like Michelangelo, and you are remembered and revered for centuries, it makes not one scrap of difference because you are completely unaware of it. It makes absolutely no difference if you die tomorrow or in 90 years time, whether you lead a spectacular life or a completely mundane one. Any atheist who says there is a basis for morality in that universe is very clearly delusional and/or intellectually dishonest. The only possible conclusion that can be reached is that in an atheistic universe the best possible person to be is a psychopath because you won't be hindered by empathy, which is completely useless in an atheistic universe and can only be a hindrance to you.

At any rate it is all moot in your atheistic universe because, as pointed out above, you don't have free will and are incapable of doing anything except following your biological program, whilst your illusory consciousness just goes along for the ride, telling itself that you it's making decisions when in fact that obviously isn't true. The obvious conclusion being that your fantasy isn't very attractive at all...

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Amen

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And i hope it turns many people atheist, but hey, we´re all different, and can´t all agree, Merry X-Mas :-)

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I'm guessing the majority of mankind will never watch this (especially with such a crappy low rating), so it's safe to say that everyone will stay the same.

And a 'Happy New Year' to you also!

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Im not a devout person, but atheists are morons.

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Atheists are amazing people when compared to Christians. Christians give spirituality a terrible reputation and you won't find me letting my kids anywhere near one. Dirty, irrational, dogmatic fundamentalists. They should all be shot with rusty spoons.

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shoutatthesky said:

Atheists are amazing people when compared to Christians. Christians give spirituality a terrible reputation and you won't find me letting my kids anywhere near one. Dirty, irrational, dogmatic fundamentalists. They should all be shot with rusty spoons.

This is an extremely myopic, uninformed stance. It's tragic--really, it is--if you've encountered professing Christians who have failed to behave or speak in a Christlike manner to you. I apologize on their behalf.

However, Christians who turn out to be hypocrites don't constitute evidence against the truth of Christianity itself--anymore than atheists being jerks necessarily means that atheism itself is false. Or do you suppose that only Christians can be "dirty, irrational, [and] dogmatic"? If that's what you thought--how on earth could any rational person actually believe that?

The reality is that all worldviews have their sincere devotees and their hypocrites. So let's leave that aside, and you tell me valid reasons why Christianity should be judged false--because what you've said here isn't a valid reason.

Another thing: all human beings are fundamentalists. What I mean is that all human beings hold to certain fundamental beliefs or convictions that they won't give up without a fight. In that sense, you too are a fundamentalist. So you don't have valid grounds for criticizing someone just because they have convictions. You have to be able to show why their convictions are wrong.

Thirdly: If you believe jerk "Christians" disprove Christianity--then wouldn't that logically mean that sincere Christians prove Christianity? (No, it wouldn't--but that's the logical conclusion of your line of reasoning.)

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Asking me to disprove Christianity is ridiculous. At any rate I never said that what I was saying about atheists was proof against Christianity. In fact I would not call myself an atheist but I do think it is ridiculous to believe in Christianity. If you really think an all powerful god who created the world in 6 days is sitting up in heaven and looking down at Humanity and its thousands of religions and favours Christians out of all of them then it is you that needs to offer proof.
That fact that most Christians are jerks, idiots, child abusers, unrepentant sinners,etc. may not disprove the validity of Christianity but it proves to me at least that Christianity as a system of morality simply does not work.

My religion is nature. I go into the forest and see the world in its natural state and I can't help think there is some great and powerful force behind it, but it is a long, long, long way from there to a religion based on a historically dubious book that has no internal validity, and the concept of an omnipotent, omnipresent god who used to like slavery and infanticide and child rape and genocide but has now turned his hand to more peaceful pursuits.

Historians can't even categorically prove the existence of Jesus let alone God so I think the burden of proof lies in your feeble hands buddy.

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Atheists are amazing people when compared to Christians. Christians give spirituality a terrible reputation and you won't find me letting my kids anywhere near one. Dirty, irrational, dogmatic fundamentalists. They should all be shot with rusty spoons.


Haha you're right a life without empathy, morals, or purpose, is amazing. Keep teaching hate and pretend you are any different than the religious people you hold such prejudice and anger against.

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Many atheists are brilliant--but biased against the truths of the Bible.

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Which truths?

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Talking snakes and virgins becoming pregnant of course! How dare you ask which truths? LOL

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I take great offence to you calling me a moron. How very 'Christian' of you to be judgmental of a group of people you clearly know nothing about. Absolutely disgusting.

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How do you define a moron? Just because they refuse to believe in a lie? I would love to see you have a conversation with Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Neil Degrasse, Samuel L Jackson and Bill Maher and see who the moron really is.

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Agreed.

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I'm saved - soon as I saw that heading about winning people to Christ I decided not to bother with the movie - that's all I need another stupid bloody movie about religion - the curse of mankind

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Although there are a couple of mentions about being thankful to God, this movie has nothing to do with Christianity.

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LMAO well said!

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moet9 said:

. . . that's all I need another stupid bloody movie about religion - the curse of mankind

What is your belief-system, and why do you think yours is exempt from the same judgment . . . ?

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as a confirmed atheist, i too am saved, and still free from all the Religious BS.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not!"

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Gazzamius said:

as a confirmed atheist, i too am saved, and still free from all the Religious BS.

What about atheistic b.s.? Such as the beliefs in--

- something from nothing (or conversely: eternal matter)
- order from disorder
- morality from amorality
- mind from mindlessness
- personhood from impersonal nature
- the descent of all creatures from an original common ancestor, despite the fact that actual empirical observation consistently demonstrates impassable boundaries between types of creatures

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What about atheistic b.s.? Such as the beliefs in--

- something from nothing (or conversely: eternal matter)
- order from disorder
- morality from amorality
- mind from mindlessness
- personhood from impersonal nature
- the descent of all creatures from an original common ancestor, despite the fact that actual empirical observation consistently demonstrates impassable boundaries between types of creatures


So I suppose Christians don't believe that God at some point came into existence? Did he always exist? You either believe a logical impossibility or you prove you yourself believe in the "atheistic b.s." you have mentioned.

Besides if you really think any atheists believe something came from nothing you really don't understand much? Try googling "physics" or "science" ?

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I also Believe you are a *beep* !!! that likes to spout off like moby dick. and prove to the world your a *beep* whilst doing it.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not!"

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Great argument there Gazza!

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'Atheistic bs'

The ONLY thing atheists agree on is whether or not a God a exists. To which the answer is no. That's it, nothing else.

All those things you've listed as 'atheistic bs' it's completely up to the individual and is not a trait of an atheist that's just absolutely and completely wrong.

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I honestly didn't realize this was a Christian movie until I came to this board, I remember one reference to God that was very casual, but nothing else to suggest it was meant to be Christian.

Same thing we do every night try to take over the world

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