Promise thrown away


I had great hopes when I saw the Chinese Government was funding this film to mark the centenary of the Xinhai Revolution. This was a good chance to show some of the history and demystify one of the first real steps to the foundation of modern China. Instead, what we have is garbled history to produce a Jackie Chan "movie". This must rank as one of the poorest "historical" films of the last decade and, sadly, it's a deadly dull effort from Jackie Chan.

http://opionator.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/1911-or-xinhai-geming-2011/

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If someone makes a bad film but it's historically accurate, the viewer can at least benefit from the experience by learning what actually happened. But if the bad film is also historically inaccurate, this is a double whammy, consigning the film to the dustbin.

I discussed the issue here:

http://opionator.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/should-historical-films-be-l ike-documentaries/

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Again... it's a movie, not a documentary-- you complain about garbled history, and when people point out it's a movie, you complain about garbled history...


If you care enough to go around telling people you don't care... you obviously care.

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No. First I complain that it's a bad film because it fails to develop a coherent narrative that everyone can understand and has no direct emotional appeal to the audience. Only then do I complain that it's a propaganda version of history, even further distorted so that it becomes a starring vehicle for Jackie Chan. When the real history is so much more interesting and exciting, I double damn the film-makers for denying audiences access to a more factual version of what happened. If you understood how important Yuan Shikai's contribution, you would understand this is like making a film praising Ulysses S. Grant for his contribution to the abolition of slavery in America when, arguably this was Abraham Lincoln's work.

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I agree that this is a bad film. They had such good actors, the guy who plays Yuan Shikai, for instance. He was great in "Toward teh Republic" theories, and it's a delight to see him playing Yuan again. Other htan him, the rest was just a mess.

Maybe it's just not possible to tell Xinhai Revolution under 2 hours. There were lots of politics involved, and the movie tried to make it something grand and spectacular, but it actuality it wasn't.

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I'm hoping for better things from The Woman Knight of Mirror Lake. There's less star power and so more chance of getting some real history.

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I'm hoping for better things from The Woman Knight of Mirror Lake. There's less star power and so more chance of getting some real history.

LOL, if by better you mean more action and melodrama-- which the descendents of Qiu Jin objected to ("she didn't know kung-fu")-- then you've got it...

I just read a Twitchfilm review praising it for being historically accurate AND spicing things up with action-- so I'm finally beginning to see what you consider to be a good HISTORICAL movie...


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Can't say I agree. I think the film is great, from a movie point of view. It did show us some history and spice it up with some drama, you didn't like it because you have some unrealistic expectation of it. This is a movie for general public. If you like history lesson, go see a documentary, because general public will see those as boring. You can't do that if you want make money. Many movie do this=>story base of fact and history,but they put little drama in it to keep things intersting. Also keep in mind this type of movie has to try to be neutral, not to so to much like propaganda movie.

This been the one of the most important event in chinese history, not a "important moment". You just can't pack that big of history event in 2h of time. I think they already did a great job to pack everything as tight as they can.

And if this is what you think as poorest "historical" films, then you have not seen much movie or just have no idea what "historical films" means.

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Well, we can agree to disagree on whether it's a good movie but I see this as pure propaganda that willfully distorts history to give a completely misleading impression. Pick anyone to become the subject of a film biography. What would you rather see, a film about that person or a film starring a friend of the person? Well that's what has happened here. Sun Yat-sen is the pivotal figure in the fight against the Qing Dynasty and, to get the desired result, Sun has to do a deal with Yuan Shikai. Huang Xing was an unsuccessful military leader trained by the Japanese who, in one or two campaigns following the Wuchang Uprising managed not to get beaten because Yuan Shikai did not think it convenient to beat his army. He was no more heroic than any other general of the Tongmenghui. Indeed, the whole movement later became the Kuomintang and lost every major battle until it was forced to retreat to Formosa. The real drama was in the politics and that hardly gets a look-in here. It's like saying China became communist because the Kuomintang lost the civil war. The fighting was really subsidiary to the politics that marginalised the people's support for the Kuomintang. You can't change a nation the size of China unless the people follow you. Only a few followed Huang Xing but millions followed Sun Yat-sen. He was the father of the China following the abdication of the Qing Dynasty.

If you want to go and see a film about warfare, pick something more interesting like Letters From Iwo Jima or Stalingrad directed by Joseph Vilsmaier and released to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the German defeat there. Now those are real films about history.

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And if this is what you think as poorest "historical" films, then you have not seen much movie or just have no idea what "historical films" means.

Nevermind spin666-- you must accept that, as with all historical/period movies, there will always be people who get upset that "1911" did not showcase THEIR kind of propaganda....


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Well, I have now seen The Woman Knight of Mirror Lake and can confirm the main martial arts on show is completely unrealistic in historical terms. It's a shame directors feel they have to include fighting in films to persuade people to go and see them. The narrative structure of the film is also poor so unless you want to see people flying away from blows on a wire while the acting principals talk about poetry and politics, this is not for you.

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