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Why not women Expendables?


Just asking, there are a lot of action actresses, like Jolie (Tomb Rider), Biel (Blade), Beckinsale (Undeworld), Alba (Dark Angel), Garner (Daredevil), Jovovich (Resident Evil) etc.

They should make Expendables 3 with those as villains :) or at least a movie with them all together :)

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There are plenty of superhero women everywhere else. I think for once, not having women as superhero in this makes it unique.

Maybe a separate film with no men and only the list you mentioned would be cool. Ask Stallone.

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Are you serious? You think Alba, Biel and similars should be in this franchize?! Oh come on, these women are uselues, they are wash up and not even atractive anymore. Maybe Milla Jovovich should be in this, or Jolie, but i think they should hired women and actress like Kelly Hu, Lucy Liu, Drew Barrymore, Sarah Michelle Gellar and of course some old days beauty, Kim Basinger, Gina Gershon and Sharon Stone

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I like the idea of having Sharon Stone as a villain.

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Women weren't made for these type of roles. Sure they can cast them, but it's too unbelievable.

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More believable than men pushing seventy dismantling entire armies? Yeah, sure.



I'm a very neat monster.

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Who'd you rather tangle with, Sly at 66 or Angelina at whatever age you like? Stop buying into the pc feminazi propaganda. Men and women aren't built the same, there's a reason why women don't fight on the front lines.

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How about Sigourney Weaver..she always struck me as a true female action hero?

Minte vreodata regula de trei

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Sigourney Weaver in the Expendables?

Hell yes!

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Guns are definetly an equalizer, but I'd hate to see Expendables become Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, The Doll Squad, or Savage Beach. Why would there be a team of women mercenaries in the first place? Working with a token female character works, but they shouldn't push it.

Let's be honest, the Tomb Raider movies were ridiculously cheesy, and the Kill Bill's were impossible to believe, even by action movie standards.

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Only if Lucy Lawless and Brigitte Nielsen are in it...

LIZ 10:"I'm the bloody Queen, mate. Basically, I rule."Dr.Who

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Stallone already said he's considering having the 3rd movie be about the "expendabelles"

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if they where to add a woman Expendable to the mix surely the obvious choice would have to be Cynthia Rothrock, she is the only female action star i can think of from the same era as the guys

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Cynthia Rothrock would be great but they should bring back Nan Yu as Maggie.

If you want to go old school Linda Hamilton or Sigourney Weaver.

Imagine a scene with Linda Hamilton and Arnold if he returns...

LH: 'I thought you would be back.'

AS: 'I did, but no one was there.'

LH: 'Yeah right' walks away

AS: yells, 'I had a tumor!'

LH: keeps walking away

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I agree. Im just replying so everyone can read that guys in general agree and support this statement.

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Well, they might not have explosions, but they certainly don't put boobs in chick flicks because girl's want to see them. And please, a lot of girls love action movies, I'd take an action movie over a chick flick 99% of the time, face it, they are not just "your" movies, their ours too.

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No they put them in to shut up the pc feminazi affirmative action police.


No, they put them in to shut up the boyfriends and husbands that get drug to these movies.

Just cause you're a tomboy and you and your diesel dyke friends like guy movies doesn't mean you represent the other 99.9% of women.


Okay a$$hole, I don't know what the Hell your problem is that you have to go off insulting me and my friends when all that you know is we like action movies. First off, you're completely wrong. Yeah, I have some tomboy in me, but I'm not a tomboy, or a girly girl, I'm a good mix, which is actually NORMAL. A little blurb about me:
Where I come from, there's nothing that a man can do that a woman can't. I have grown up shooting guns (I'm a better shot than almost every guy I've shot against), doing archery, climbing rock walls and faces, rappelling, zip-lining, riding four-wheelers, doing high and low ropes courses, riding horses, canoeing, kayaking, hiking, snowboarding, playing sports, snowshoeing, and competing in almost everything with my brother. And don't say he's not really a man: he's almost six feet tall, half-way to a black belt in jiu-jitsu after less than two years, and solid muscle; he's had a six pack since he was 12. I've done scuba diving, martial arts, driven bikes, skied, geocached, thrown knives, and the list goes on. And no, I don't look like a man either; I'm tiny and curvy with very long hair, and I'm often told I'm attractive, but I'm very strong for my size. I also have a 4.2 GPA, and speak 2 languages. Still think you're superior?

Second, you're wrong about my friends. That's not true at all, and honestly, I don't even know anyone like that. They are just normal girls, and we also hang around with normal guys. Girls and guys aren't so different usually, unless you're still living in the stone age. We have different things we like, but we also like to do a lot of the same things. But it sounds to me like you don't have much experience hanging out with women, because unless you exclusively go for prissy, girly girls, you would know that.

Third, you don't know anything about my friends, yet you feel the need to throw a term like "diesel dyke" around? Well, that doesn't say anything of them, but it tells me all I need to know about you. The only thing that comment indicates, is that you're an a$$hole, who has no idea what women are actually like, and are b*tching at the idea of strong women probably because you're insecure about your manliness and this makes it worse, and you're probably overcompensating. Well, too bad; women can like the same things as men and be badass, deal with it.

Fourth, I think you must sit behind your computer all day and have no idea what real women are like because the fantasy you've conjured up sounds more like the only knowledge you have of women comes from "reality" shows or the popular girls in high school films. Or else you live in a place where they only let girly girls live? It's not just girly girl or "diesel dyke"; those are them few and far between extremes. Might I direct you to Gina Carano? Beautiful, and she could probably reduce you to pulp. Welcome to reality, come and sit awhile. Women are as diverse as the rest of the world, and girls that like action films are quite common; 99.9%, really, what rock do you live under? It's not your gender that decides what films you like, it's your personality. Either wake up and acknowledge that you really need to meet women before you act like you know them, or stay out of the real world all together.

By the way, congratulations on giving the worst first impression I've ever seen. You won by a land slide, and I've never hated anyone this much after just two sentences. You should feel very proud.

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Me thinks the diesel doth protest too much.




I have grown up shooting guns (I'm a better shot than almost every guy I've shot against)


Maybe you'd like to try out my love gun....it's capable of multiple shots

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You really deleted your first post to add two lines? Can I acquaint you with the edit button?

Me thinks the diesel doth protest too much.


Wow, that's a great rebuttal. Probably didn't even read what I wrote, just saw how long it was and your brain shut down. But that's fine, I know who I am and I know what I look like and you couldn't be more wrong if you tried, so it really doesn't bother me. By the way, I'm also completely straight, petite and I measure 33-24-36. But whatever, not like I care at all what you think, and I don't expect anything more than weak, childish, untrue insults at this point. All you've done is make my argument stronger and make yourself look like an idiot. Don't expect another reply unless you say something of actual consequence.

Maybe you'd like to try out my love gun....it's capable of multiple shots :P


Really, that's all you have to say? *Shudders* That's thinking with the big head, thanks for confirming. So does that mean you're into girls that fit all the wrongful insults you're throwing my way? Nice to know.

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Have you scheduled your sex change yet? You obviously suffer from penis envy.

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Ha! What on earth? Okay, just quit while you're behind, and stop embarrassing yourself. I would never in a million years, even on pain of death. And why on Earth would you think that? There are just so many things wrong with that statement - ridiculous, disgusting, wrong, completely untrue - and it has nothing to do with anything I've said, and there is no way to draw that conclusion from anything I've said. Woow. Just go back to your treehouse with the "no girls allowed" sign, and leave us alone.

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go back to your treehouse with the "no girls allowed" sign



Actually I'm quite fond of women, I just don't have patience for diesels. You start behaving like a lady and you'll be treated like one.


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Still not a diesel, but this is the last reply you're getting from me. I treat people the way they treat me. You started this. The way you acted was awful and completely uncalled for, just insulting me and my friends, simply because I said there are women who like action movies, so what were you expecting? It didn't have to be this way; if you were nice and civil, that's exactly what you would have gotten from me. But all you did was throw completely unfounded insults at me. All I wanted was some respect. :( But this is going nowhere, and I'm not going to continue this just so you can continue throwing rude names at me, so goodbye. But I'm calling that comment bullsh*t because again, you just threw rude, unfounded names at me and my friends, treated us like sh*t, simply because I said there are, in fact, a lot of women that like action movies. Heaven forbid. Didn't realize I'd crossed a line there.


I'll treat you the same way you treat me... you're call. :)

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I'm going to sleep, was fun, we should do it again sometime. Word of advice, don't take sh!t so seriously.

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-_- You were joking this whole time? That's fine with friends and people you know, but you can insult strangers like that and expect them to think you're joking when you're not acting like it. I don't like being insulted, and I don't like people insulting my friends, so this wasn't fun. If it felt like you were joking it might have been different, but still, don't use terms like that either way, it's not cool. But I have stuff that I really have to do so bye. And if you want to joke around use emoticons to show it! It's not like you would be the first rude sexist I've met, or the first crazy a$$hole on these forums. Ever insult Kristen Stewart on her boards? *Shudder*

I can't believe I fell for that. And I thought I had gotten good at spotting them. Just thought you were just another a$$hole sexist. Try it again and I'll block you. Damn I hate trolls.

I'll treat you the same way you treat me... you're call. :)

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Well, I'm definitely sexist by your standards, but obviously I was busting balls about the diesel stuff since I'd have to see you first to make that call. Until that happens I'll stick with tomboy since you basically admitted that. You need to drop the girl power act by the way, it's very unattractive.

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Umm, you're sexist by anyone's standards? (Except, of course, other sexists in denial :P) Sexism is defined as prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex; ergo, judging by your comments, you are sexist. Sorry to break it to you. :P And thank you, but I swear every word I've said is true, so I'm not a diesel at all. Plus, I don't act like a guy, I would just rather do something physically challenging (no jokes please) and be outdoors than paint my nails. I can live with "tomboy", I don't see it as an insult, but in all honesty I'm probably about half girly too. I just haven't listed those traits because I didn't think they were necessary as I was trying to argue the fact that girl =/= Barbie. It's not a "girl power act", I just believe in equality, and not stereotyping based on sex. There's no more truth in that than blond stereotypes. And it could not possibly be any less attractive than your "girly or butch" attitude. :) Just as an experiment, stop and think of what percentage of guys you know that could even pass in an action movie? I don't know many, because you need skills, brains, and muscle, and all three are not so common. The only guys I could picture are the ones that wear cameo and guns as part of their work uniform, and I probably wouldn't have bet on them without training. So is that number really any less than the girls you know that could do the same?

I'll treat you the same way you treat me... you're call. :)

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Ha, just noticed your reply from a while back. It's not sexist to recognize that women are weaker/slower and have less muscle/slower reflexes than men. It's just fact, can't argue with nature and science. Add ovulation to the mix and you see why men laugh at the idea of female action stars. The reason I told you to drop the act is cause even if it's true no one will believe it, so why bring it up? Anyone can make up personal sh_t online. Oh, and one more thing:

*your

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No honey, here are the facts, watch and weep. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mfn5As4G5o It's just fact, can't argue with nature and science. You're just sexist, you're wrong, get over it. And the only hormones to laugh at are male, females have never been accused of thinking with the little head instead of the big head; how many time has James Bond screwed up because of that, for example? It's still not an act, it's the truth whether or not you believe it, and I brought it up because it's relevant to this discussion. Yeah, anyone can make up personal sh_t online, but I make a point never to lie, because if you lie once, no one will believe you, and as they say the truth will out. Yeah, I know. I fixed that a while ago, but it didn't change on any of my old posts, and I didn't feel like going back and fixing all of them. It's a little embarrassing but I'm human, I make mistakes, and I didn't exactly proofread it. Doesn't change anything.

I'll treat you the same way you treat me... your call. :)

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Hay YetTheSoulObeys here's a question? Your house is engulfed in a fire due to electrical issues. Your passed out due to smoke inhalation. You get the choice of which firefighter saves you.

The male firefighter who can break a door open in 3 swings or less due to more upper body strength, who can carry the 80lbs of gear AND the averaged weight of 150lbs of dead weight a person becomes after being knocked unconscious from lack of oxygen.

Or the woman who gets 5 tries due to less upper body strength, who has reduced carrying standards of 55lbs of gear, and averaged much less on weight they're able to carry.

This isn't a question of sexism, this is a question of which do you think is more likely to be able to save you in a timely fashion. Having seen a friends house burn every second counts, thank god they were all at church that night and my brother knew where the dog was kept.

I'm guessing your going to say you'd want the one more reasonably able to get you out quickly and with little risk to anyone else. Or more specifically the man.

On the battlefield(thank god I've never been) I would want someone able to drag my sorry ass to safety if I become immobilized or incapacitated. Some of the small women in Hollywood even when they're ripped wouldn't be able to do it as I'm 6ft 190lbs broad shoulders and relatively toned(no six pack here perhaps one day).

The reasons listed above are part of the reason women heroines tend to come across as cheesy. Hollywood's delivery hasn't helped much. Sigourney Weaver from the alien series works because she's not really seen tossing people around till Alien Resurrection(and there's a reason for the strength). Linda Hamilton in Terminator again not seen tossing men around like rag dolls.

Gina Carano beating the hell out of people in movies works because she's not built like a light weight(not an experts opinion but I'd say she's built like a gymnast). She has some size and some heft to her(not saying she's fat, but look at her thighs, she can probably leg press me to embarrassment).

Angelina Jolie while a good dramatic actress is not believable in movies like Salt because even with some of the jumping stunts she just doesn't have the weight needed to be much of a threat. Same goes for Jessica Beil who I tend to like in movies.

And all that said don't ask me why I LOVED the first Resident Evil movie with Milla Jovavich and Michelle Rodriguez beating the hell out of some dead zombies.

My point is for me to buy it, it has to have some sense of realism(Resident Evil gets a pass for being a zombie flick, you can toss certain things out the window when zombies are involved). I'm not saying a action movie where the bad guys cant hit the broad side of a barn don't allow for wiggle room just that its too much, at least for me.

This is my reasoning for not buying MOST but not ALL action heroines.

P.S. sorry for the long reply.



David Caruso "Worst actor ever!"

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On the battlefield


Russians used a ton of female soldiers in all kinds of roles very successfully during the second World War. So that's *beep* what you say.

The problem is: Here are mostly americans and they were raised in a very old fashioned way, almost like all muslims, where women were "worthless". It's time those retards wake up and realize this is not the 1850's anymore

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ShadowAngel I gave examples of the differing standards and why most heroines dont work. I don't discount what Russian women did during times of war. Im just telling you my reasons for not believing what is often portreyed in movies. I even gave examples of areas where Hollywood got it right or nearly enough.

Women arent worthless, they're just worth less then men, by about 30 cents on the dollar to be exact.

David Caruso "Worst actor ever!"

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I see what you are pointing out... however, the movie is paying homage to the 80s/90's action era.

Where one man, or a small group of men kick ass and save the day.

Die Hard, Rambo, Terminator

Its just reminding us when - plots, product placement, story, script and acting didnt matter.. We just wanted to see guys beat the crap out of eachother and save the mother *beep* day.

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