Sorry but the whole notion of a female being such a badass just doesn't work for me and makes me roll my eyes while trying to enjoy a thoughtless action flick. And she's not even that good looking. Boo.
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shareAt least you admit you'd rather watch men and so are likely gay.
There's a difference between watching a woman in ACTION and watching her in SEX.
Men prefer MEN in action and women in SEX.
Big difference. Sexuality has nothing to do with this.
Why do some gay men like TV shows or movies with FEMALE LEAD? It relates to them. And for porn, well, you know what they prefer to watch there...
So a female can't be a badass? I'm guessing you never saw Machete...or pretty much anything with Michelle Rodriguez.
Also, I'd say Yu Nan is good looking enough.
Knawmean?!
So a female can't be a badass?
No, they can't, because it's not in their nature and it's too unrealistic. Unless they're just fighting women or pre-pubescent boys, to put it in a movie is an insult to one's intelligence. It's like having a movie with a talking dog - wouldn't happen so not enjoyable.
Sorry to ruin you fantasy but no they can't. The only situation in which they can act tough is with other women. Against men it's ridiculous and insulting because they're weaker and slower. That's not sexist, it's fact, so deal with it.
shareSorry to ruin you fantasy but no they can't. The only situation in which they can act tough is with other women. Against men it's ridiculous and insulting because they're weaker and slower. That's not sexist, it's fact, so deal with it.
There's many ways to be tougher than someone other than just brute strength so don't give me that garbage.
Just because they are women, doesn't instantly mean they'll lose to a guy.
It's sexist to even say something like that.
Then why don't women competed against men in any sports, especially combat sports?
Yes it does unless the man is an Elton John type which isn't a real man anyway.
No it's not, it's a fact of life that you can't seem to come to terms with.
Women being the weaker species=/=Women are unable to beat any men.
If this is true then please provide examples. Until then you're full of sh!t.
A guy with no experience taking it easy on a professional chick fighter twice his size and still drawing is not an example. You spent all that time searching and that's the best you could come up with??
shareA guy with no experience taking it easy on a professional chick fighter twice his size and still drawing is not an example. You spent all that time searching and that's the best you could come up with??
Ummmmm, she lost the fight and was given a draw for effort as they do with most exhibitions. You said women could beat men and that's the example you come up with? You think this showed that women can compete against men? Am I missing something here? Not only was she significantly larger than him and a "professional" fighter (which is a joke cause professional female fighters aren't even comparable to amateur level men), whereas he was a nobody with little skill, and she still couldn't beat him or cause any damage other than to lay on him. So what are you so happy about? Did you know the World Champion German women's soccer team lost to an under 16 boys team several years ago? That should tell you all you need to know about women's sports. You're getting pretty desperate aren't you...
shareUmmmmm, she lost the fight and was given a draw for effort as they do with most exhibitions.
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Idiot, did you even watch the fight, if you can call it that? You said women can beat men, but that was a draw, so you're still full of sh!t
If you want to scour the internet to find an exception that proves the rule have at it; doesn't change the fact that women cannot compete with men in any sport, ever. That's just the way it is, sorry to disappoint your feminist @ss. They weren't built the same way, that's not sexist, it's fact.
I looked up the result you moron. Something you didn't have the foresight to do before making a fool out of yourself. That's how I know the woman is a pro and the guy is a nobody. Truth hurts doesn't it...?
shareOh and your second video is even worse than the first. It's not even an organized bout, it's two people rolling around in a gym. In one week you've found an exhibition that was a draw and a sparring session, good job, you really proved your point...
Give it up budz, you're never going to convince anyone that women are athletically equal to men. I hope you're a chick cause I'd hate to think a man could be as feminized as you.
I looked up the result you moron. Something you didn't have the foresight to do before making a fool out of yourself. That's how I know the woman is a pro and the guy is a nobody. Truth hurts doesn't it...?
Oh and your second video is even worse than the first. It's not even an organized bout, it's two people rolling around in a gym. In one week you've found an exhibition that was a draw and a sparring session, good job, you really proved your point...
Give it up budz, you're never going to convince anyone that women are athletically equal to men. I hope you're a chick cause I'd hate to think a man could be as feminized as you.
Sorry budz, but sparring doesn't count for sh!t. You don't know who either person is, you just saw the title and thought it proved something. Ask any fighter on the planet what gym fights count for and without hesitation the answer will be NOTHING. You've obviously never competed in anything if you don't know this. That's like a fighter counting street fights in their record, or a hockey team counting scrimmage results in their record. Doesn't work like that.
And the first video didn't even show the result, I had to find it for you, so for all you know the chick lost. And the fight didn't count in either fighers' record, which again proves that it counted for nothing, but you're to stupid to understand this.
You're not very good at this.
Sure, whatever excuses that makes you feel good, troll. You didn't provide anything that you "researched" so that's you and your delusions.
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You're still so butthurt over this? Dude, just drop it! I've given you two examples while you've been doing nothing but whining. Let it go, man.
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You still haven't provided anything that you claimed you looked up on these videos and that's because you know you're just full of crap. A bit salty about it, aren't ya?
I know this is next to impossible but I'll wait for you to provide anything that contributes to this discussion. Until then...
Knawmean?!
You can search it yourself you lazy fool. How hard is to google a result? And I don't need to look up the fact that the second video is a sparring session because it's right there for you to see. You still haven't provided proof of what you claim so until then you'll have to accept that women cannot compete with men. Ask yourself this, if you had to hire a bodyguard would you choose a man or a woman?
shareThats the whole point of being tough. Women cannot hack it in tough situations.. and Im not talking about being vindictive or scandalous to get back at her man or another woman. Women are ineffective in the military, as firefighters, hunting, manual labor, etc.
Theyre survival is dependent on men. Modern society has enabled women to rise up and be equals to men in academic and professional areas. Once all that goes to *beep* women will not step up and fight the way men have done since our beginning.
I don't mean to sound sexist, but its kind of annoying when a girl starts acting cocky by challenging men, especially at being in tough situations. Women surpass men at many things, but toughness and physical strength is not one of them.
I have some friends who are firefighters and I know the physical exams that they have to go through with the women right next to them the whole way. I can guarantee that women firefighters are a hell of a lot tougher then you are.
Here's a good example of a woman firefighter who's tougher then you are.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228132/Fire-fighting-fit-Woma n-firefighter-33-crowned-world-s-toughest-triumphing-competition-5-000 -hopefuls-globe.html
Careful there, there are many species in which the female is far deadlier than the male. I don't know where you come off with this idea that all women are weak; you're being stereotypical, sexist, and just plain ridiculous. Where I come from, there's nothing that a man can do that a woman can't. I have grown up shooting guns (I'm a better shot than almost every guy I've shot against), doing archery, climbing rock walls and faces, rappelling, zip-lining, riding four-wheelers, doing high and low ropes courses, riding horses, canoeing, kayaking, hiking, snowboarding, playing sports, snowshoeing, and competing in almost everything with my brother. And don't say he's not really a man: he's almost six feet tall, half-way to a black belt in jiu-jitsu after less than two years, and solid muscle; he's had a six pack since he was 12. I've done scuba diving, martial arts, driven bikes, skied, geocaching, thrown knives. And no, I don't look like a man either; I'm tiny and curvy with very long hair, and I'm often told I'm attractive, but I'm very strong for my size. I also have a 4.2 GPA, and speak 2 languages. And women won't fight? What rock do you live under? Men did not bring about women's rights. And even the world's weakest mother would give her life to protect her children.
Women are ineffective in the military, as firefighters, hunting, manual labor, etc.
Theyre survival is dependent on men. Modern society has enabled women to rise up and be equals to men in academic and professional areas. Once all that goes to *beep* women will not step up and fight the way men have done since our beginning.
I don't mean to sound sexist, but its kind of annoying when a girl starts acting cocky by challenging men, especially at being in tough situations. Women surpass men at many things, but toughness and physical strength is not one of them.
Oh god, see here it goes again, i didnt even have to read the last 2/3 of your paragraphs since it just became irrelevant. Were talking about women, not female species. Just because female animals are larger like, female guinea pigs, seahorses, chickens, and such, does not apply. Just because u grew up a tomboy doesnt mean all women are into that out doorsey crap. Theres no point in even arguing when someone is delusional. Btw, i saw bjj somewhere in there when i skimmed. I also take jiu jitsu, and women are never partnered up w guys, unless they want to see a chiropracter the next day. Thyre usually paired w women or small pettite boys moving up from begginer classes.
Just because ur in a small minority of butch women, does not mean that your statement is a correct generalization. Theres plenty of effeminate guys out there that rather act like women who are also a minority among men.
"Just because ur in a small minority of butch women, does not mean that your statement is a correct generalization."
Wow that is extremely sexist and offensive. I can't believe you'd say something so misogynist.
Haha, just kidding. That statement was hilarious. I hate feminists.
Theres plenty of effeminate guys out there that rather act like women who are also a minority among men.
The rest of my paragraph was not irrelevant, so I would appreciate if you would read the whole thing before you try to address my argument, if you can handle that. And I wasn't talking about size, I said "deadlier" not "larger". I was primarily thinking of the larger cat species, like lions and such, where the females are smaller but they are deadlier; they do almost all of the hunting. And yes, I have some tomboy in me, but that is not the minority; I don't know any women that don't have some tomboy in them. I'm not the delusional one in this argument. And maybe in your dojo girls are not partnered up with guys, but mine trains you for self-defence in the real world, so I have fought guys over a foot taller than me and I have flipped guys that probably weigh twice as much as me. That's the whole point of martial arts; efficient fighting and defensive techniques regardless of your size. And if you bothered to read the rest of my paragraph, you would know that physically, I'm probably as far from butch as it gets without going into some extreme, and I am straight btw. I'd like to know where the heck all of you live because it sounds like the only women you've met are like the "real housewives" or whatever the heck those women in reality shows are. You're completely stuck on the idea that women can't look like women without having a girly girl personality, and from my experience that is the minority.
I'll treat you the same way you treat me... you're call. :)
I guarantee there are women who can kick your ass and I know there are women who can kick mine. If that makes you less of a man or an Elton John type I feel very bad for you.
Your facts seem to be based on your opinions and insecurities so they are in fact not facts!
Do not be a victim, Do not be a perpetrator,above all, Do not be a bystander
You know f'n nothing. A well-trained female who works out and knows what she's doing can wreck average guys.
The toughest, scariest, most capable of kicking-your-ass human being I've ever met is very much female, and very pretty. She's a biker chick I know, and she's the last person I'd ever want to fight.
Once she got into a fight in a bar and the bouncer tried to throw her out. She kicked his ass. I didn't see the fight, but I saw his face the next day and it looked like a doormat that somebody'd walked on. She went up and taunted him for getting his ass kicked and he turned pale because he didn't want to fight her again. I've seen her take down a couple of people, and it's brutal. She knows what she's doing.
I know another woman who used to do bounty hunting. This one, admittedly, wasn't as feminine and she was missing most of her teeth, but she was tough as hell. One guy she went after had beaten his wife so she put him in a wheelchair for life, bare-handed.
Females can be violent and capable. You know not of which you speak.
I've read through quite a few of the comments and I do think that many of the posts here are sexist.
Basically, the overriding theme is that any female action hero should exist as eye candy or as a potential "*beep*" for a male character. Aka her worth is based on looks rather than intelligence, resourcefulness or training.
Her character was trained in COMBAT fighting. So, it is NOT unrealistic for her character to be BAD ASS.
What many of you guys aren't understanding is that she is using the body weight of the guy she is fighting against him. In other words, she is turning his physical strength into a DISADVANTAGE. Not to mention that she is highly trained in how to incapacitate someone.
Ultimately, it feels to me that some of the posts are uncomfortable with the idea of having a woman character who is not victimized (which tends to be so prevalent in action movies). Because this woman is able to take care of herself without a man, it bothers people.
It's a shame we live in a society where having an independent female character is considered ridiculous. Whereas, if she were treated as an object we wouldn't have any problems with it.
An angry Kathy Bates with a semi-automatic shotgun. Badass.
shareForget about treating her like an object, she shouldn't be in the movie to begin with. And I understand martial arts fine and know that it's unrealistic to have a little girl fight a man. That's why they have WEIGHT CLASSES and separate divisions for men and women. Women are weaker, slower physically and have slower reflexes. This is not opinion it's fact. Even when well trained chicks fight each other it turns into a sloppy cat fight cause they're not built for that. The skill level is so low it's worse than amateur men.
shareThe women who plays Nikita (Maggie Q) actually Hospitalized A MAN during a fight scene. So the fact that your saying a women cant beat a man is totally offensive, ignorant seen as it has happened numerous times before.
shareBamm1 - I 100% AGREE WITH YOU and Milla Jovovich films, Kill Bill...the poster clearly has not seen any films where women actually kick ass
shareFemale badases in a movie has become lame, because it has been overused and it looks cheap and too unrealistic even for an action movie. (maybe ok for a comic book) Especially when they always have some blonde femminine bombshell with big tits like Denise Richards in James Bond (for cheap views). Go watch something like Haywired and you will se bad ass woman. But that wouldn't drive in 14 yearolds in the movie theatre.
shareI can't tell if this is just suppose to be a wind up but...
Uma Thurman in Kill Bill
Angelina Jolie in wanted/tomb raider/girl interrupted (in some respects)
Anne Parillaud in La Femma Nikita
Noomi Rapace in Dragon Tattoo
Devon Aoki in Sin City
Sigourney Weaver in Alien
Kate Beckinsale in Underworld
Michelle Rodrigez in girlfight etc.
Saoirse Ronan in Hanna
Gwendoline Christie in Game of Thrones
Emilia Clarke in Game of Thrones
Linda Hamilton in Terminator
Carrie-Anne Moss in The Matrix
Mila Jokovich in The Fifth Element/Resident Evil
Sarah Michelle Gellar in Buffy
Chloe Moretz in Kick Ass
Natalie Portman in Leon
Scarlett Johansson in The Avengers
Pam Grier in Foxy Brown
Carrie Fisher in Star Wars
Rose Mcgowan in Planet Terror
ETC. ETC. ETC.
None of these qualify?
Most of those movies are made to cater to women, and some don't even apply. Natalie Portman was a badass in Leon? What are you smoking. It's like an affirmative action for hollywood where they need a certain percentage of female action heroes now in order to satisfy the pc police, no matter how pathetic and unrealistic it is.
shareNatalie Portman was not a badass in Leon, come on now. Angelina Jolie can't really act at all IMO, shes about as convincing as the regular bombshells we see shoehorned into the badass female stereotype we're seeing now.
Rose Mcgowan was super campy/cheesy in her part, I mean seriously.. a gun for a leg? We're supposed to believe thats what makes her badass? we can't really count that one.
And the 2 from Game of Thrones, I'm assuming your referring to Season 2? Because judging from season 1 there weren't any females I would call badass from it. I haven't seen S2 yet so I'll take your word for it.
There are some I would add to your list:
Demi Moore in GI Jane
Jennifer Garner in Elektra
Brigitte Nielsen in Red Sonja
Amber Heard in Mandy Lane
Juliette Lewis in Natural Born Killers
Zoe Saldana in Colombiana
Your other examples are good though, so that's 18 + 6 of mine which are good examples out of what? hundreds! we're seeing more and more of in action films now. Now to explain why they work:
Devon Aoki worked as a badass in Sin City because she didn't say anything, she looked perfect for the part of a emotionless psychopath. Chleo Moretz worked in Kick Ass for the same reason Saoirse Ronan worked in Hanna. A little girl trained to be a ruthless killer makes sense when she had no time at all to develop emotionally or live a normal life, and training someone from a young age will make them incredibly skilled as they get older.
Sarah Michelle Gellar barely counts as the series was pretty cheesy but I think her acting talent was good enough to show how she progressed from a normal teenager to a vampire hunter, extraordinary situations lead to extraordinary people as they are forced to adapt.
Amber Heard in Mandy Lane worked because we never found out why she did any of it, if she was was one who came up with the scheme to murder them all or the guy shes doing it with? It was kept ambiguous and she came off completely ruthless using someone else to do the dirty work.
Demi Moore & Brigitte Nielson worked because they had ripped bodies and none of the fake breasts to slow them down, with the acting talent to back it up. The rest also have the acting talent for it.
Anyone ever see JeeJa Yanin in Chocolate. Convincing martial arts movie in which a woman fights men and makes it look legitimate.
Another example of a woman who is tough that comes to mind is Gina Carano in Haywire. She is an actual MMA champion and again, throws down with grown men and makes a convincing show of fighting with them.
I hate it when women are portrayed as being tough but it seems so forced or fake but to say that they can't be tough or be in action films is just utter stupidity.
This thread is absolutely disgusting.
im a bad kid.
Sigorney Weaver was badass in Aliens, but then it got kind of lame as Ripley became a clone w/ acid blood and became the typical cheesy woman w/ supernatural strength heroine. Ridley Scott's original Alien movie had Ripley running scared and struggling to survive.
Yet, Weaver always looked badass w/ giant space rifle or flame thrower. Watching her makes you forget its a woman.
Michelle Rodriguez, the type-casted police lesbian. She looks like a rough chick w/ an attitude problem, but I doubt she can take on some guys in a 3-way fight... or even a 1 on 1 fight. She's looks smaller than 5'5 and around 120lbs or so. She could probably beat the *beep* out of another girl, but not a black woman.
La Femme Nikita, was a badass movie. However, it was one of Besson's dramas. Nikita was crying all the time and didnt even want to assassinate people. Nikita's boss/manager was more of a badass and all he did was wear a suit and give her orders.
The rest of the list is just a disaster. Really? The girl w/ the dragon tattoo is hardly a badass. She gets raped by her foster guardian for a macbook. Thats not badass at all.
I understand that women and guys need heroines in movies to admire... just not in action movies involving guns and explosions. Its unnatural. We live in an emasculated modern society and men crave violence and adrenaline because were built for fighting. Women are not, they don't even like getting dirty.
I understand that women and guys need heroines in movies to admire... just not in action movies involving guns and explosions. Its unnatural. We live in an emasculated modern society and men crave violence and adrenaline because were built for fighting. Women are not, they don't even like getting dirty.
A lot of the ones you mentioned try too hard and look just plain bad or awkward. They also tend to overplay their sexuality and i doubt would be considered "badass" by females. There was nothing about Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raider that was "badass" and Scarlett Johansson in Avengers was just ugh...Emilia Clarke in GoT was just something else entirely and wouldn't even say Sarah Michelle Gellar as Buffy represents female heroism
The only ones i lend credence to are those that play survivors or the la femme nikita-type roles. I'm talking Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, Sigourney Weaver in Alien, Carrie-Anne Moss particularly in the first Matrix movie, and Linda Hamilton. I would add Zoe Saldana to the list as she's recently appeared in not just action-oriented but also gritty Luc Besson-type movies...
No they don't because it's a movie and you can prove anything you want in a movie.
I don't know if I agree with not having a female as an action star, but I do agree with the fact that if a film is going to be a throwback to the action movies of the 70s, 80s, 90s, and today, those action stars were men. Not women.
Plus, most people that I have asked said that the addition of Maggie in this film was stupid and unnecessary. She could have been written out and the film would be even better. She could even have had a supporting role that lasts a few minutes and be written out.
Stallone has stated that the third film will feature a young woman (22-27 years old) who is not a sex symbol, but funny, tough, real.
Yeah, that's not real. If she is not over 40 years old, then this is not real. If Stallone wants to do this right, he would cast somebody like Sigourney Weaver, who is a seasoned actress and is capable of being tough and funny, and she can still pull off a role like that. This would also help bring in older audiences that are fans of hers and give the film a certain needed credibility (plus, who wouldn't want to see the original Ripley holding a big gun blasting people away).
must agree. the weakest link in an otherwise awesome movie.
Realism, Remakes and Unnecessary Sequels are ruining movies!
The reality is that as "equal" as women are, they have lowered standards to even be able to accept them in police and fire departments as well as the military. Unfortunately it has become de rigueur for Hollywood to include at least one. The fact is that the best trained women still don't have the strength and endurance of the best trained men.
Aside from the Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV series, I don't dig "tough guy" chicks.