How do fundamentalist christians not see the irony in this?

No one was being forced to pay abortions it was about two specific forms of birth control; IUD's and Plan B, neither of which are abortions. The entire Hobbly Lobby case was based on incorrect information about what those 2 things are. An IUD stops fertilzation and Plan B releases something in the uterus that stops the sperm from swimming. Chief Justice Roberts said that doesn't matter because they are talking about a 'sincerely held' religious belief, meanwhile they do business with china. A country that has had over 300 mil GOV'T FORCED ABORTIONS over the past 30-40 years (1 child policy).

So the outrage by a christian who has no adopted children is that other people shouldn't have birth control so if I can stop it I will. That's what the case was pure and simple.

Consider this: Employer based healthcare premiums are payed by taking money out of your pacheck... they use our money, not the companies. Money that was already in your paycheck and this ruling basically sets the precedent that it doesn't make the money yours once they tax you for healtcare which begs the ultimate question...

...WHY THE *beep* DON'T WE JUST HAVE SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE ANYWAY?! THEN THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ISSUE.

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I am a Christian and God did not tell me to act a rational way. Your idea of how I should act is rubbish. You're in for a huge surprise when all the wars really start and the Christians have left the earth. Make no mistake: GOD IS REAL. He will judge you and decide your destiny. What you should be doing is reading the Bible, listening to the scriptures on audio, praying, repenting, and watching for the signs of the end. Right now you have no clue. You're like a blind man looking who does not care to see. The harbinger is calling. This may be your only warning. Israel, Iran, Muslims, strange weather patterns, mass killings, dead animals washing up out of the waters, zombies, blood moons, earthquakes, etc have all increased. Check them out! Listen to Paul Begley on YouTube. Listen to other Bible scholars. I'm not kidding. WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS!!!!!!!

*Sigh*... Ok, I'm not taking sides in this debate, and I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread to begin with but I have to address something because this always bugs the hell out of me.


con·tra·cep·tive
[kon-truh-sep-tiv] Show IPA

adjective
1. tending or serving to prevent conception or impregnation.
2. pertaining to contraception.


The phrase contraception by definition means to prevent conception.

The decision in the Hobby Lobby case ruled directly on four forms of birth control(note that I use the phrase birth control, not contraceptive). All four of these operate as a primary method of working post-conception(but typically prior to impregnation in the uterus, yes they are not one and the same). It is in fact their marketing niche("Plan B" in particular, it's the name itself even).

Whether or not post conception but pre impregnation counts as a abortive, I'm not getting into. But the simple fact remains... these 4 methods of birth control *ARE BY DEFINITION NOT CONTRACEPTIVES*. (At least primarily, but I believe at least one or two have a contraceptive secondary function.)

Fundies live in a world that bears NO resemblance to reality.

Scott Lively IS advocating murder against gays in Africa. He & the other American Taliban KNOW they are going to ultimately lose in the USA so they have taken their hatred to Africa. His book IS a lie, it has been proven a lie by several reviewers. Of course, real research & real data mean NOTHING to the fundies.

As to HL, HL insurance covered all of the birth control methods PRIOR to the ACA becoming law. The women who work for HL PAY FOR THEIR INSURANCE through payroll deductions. This ruling means they pay twice. HL gets nearly ALL of the crap they sell from factories in CHINA, a country known for mandated birth control, forced abortions & SLAVE labor. Smart money says that MOST of what HL sells comes from those slave labor factories. HL also makes a TON of money by investing in the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture IUD's, but that is different because it helps them make more money.

Of course, out of sight, out of mind works GREAT for the Green family aka the ultimate example of corporate hypocrisy.

Fundies are the ultimate in selective everything. They wanted to boycott Nabisco because of the Honey Maid Graham Cracker commercials, but still use the internet (basically invented by a gay man). They use their iPhones, post on Facebook & shop at Target. ALL are businesses that support LGBT rights.

The good thing is that every year more Americans realize the harm that these fundies cause & are leaving them behind. Make no mistake, an Americanized, uniquely evangelical form of Sharia law IS here in the USA. The key is to prevent it from growing. There is VERY little difference in the beliefs of extremist Christians & extremists Muslims.

I suggest you educate yourself why those regimes killed believers- it wasn't because the leaders didn't believe in your magic sky-faerie.

It's not as if they were murdering millions in the name of nonbelief. Contrast that to all the hordes of people throughout history who HAVE been killed in the name of a god or gods and you'll see the REAL facts.

Wow you are brain-dead

And yet none of those countries are the US are they? I would also point out that two of the links you posted are about Christians in Muslim countries, AKA countries where Islam is the official religion. Two of the other links are from communist countries and the last one is in the middle of a war that has been raging for years and years.

Can you find me current examples of Christians persecuting other religious groups that can even come close to the small sample I've posted below?

The anti theists do not care about facts and humanism. They only care about their fanatical doctrine.

It happens every time. These posts have zero to do with the movie which most of us have not seen. I will probably watch it when it comes out on video. Probably as part of my Netflix subscription. My impression is that this is a controversial movie, meaning that no one can be objective about it. That said, the likelihood that it is not a very good movie seems great.

My own thoughts on the persecution of Christians and related topics: The notion that Christians could become persecuted in this country in the near future is an exaggeration. What we are seeing, though, is a tendency to vilify some Christians and use them as a whipping boy to drum up support for leftist initiatives usually based on unlikely fantasies themselves (view the notion expressed here that Christians are in any position to persecute non-Christians). And it is not just the media that does the vilifying but some politicians and bureaucrats. As to Sharia law, there are moves to recognize the practice of Sharia by Muslims within non-Muslim countries, and this raises issues about where to draw the line because some religious courts would like to make rules about all areas of life whereas secular courts would prefer to reserve the right to deal with life and death matters, for example.

A better grounded exploration of the issue of religious liberty would be gained if we had movies--either documentary or fictionalized--about persecution of Christians in other countries which is definitely both a historical and current problem. In Asia, Africa and the Middle East this is happening now. Nazis might have claimed to have God on their side, but they probably also thought that Hitler was God's representative. (Hitler himself thought so.) The Nazis coopted Christian religions during the thirties and forties, having luck with most except for Jehovah's Witnesses and a small Protestant coalition called the Confessing Church. Imperial Japan, during the same period, also coopted most religions except for--once again--Jehovah's Witnesses--and Nichiren Shoshu, a sort of Buddhist equivalent of Jehovah's Witnesses. This little known story of religious persecution would make a great movie. The Imperial government told Christians they would have to put Imperial symbols on their altars and that there were too many Christian religions so many of the Protestant sects were forced to merge (So were many Buddhist sects). In both Germany and Japan, religious people went to prison for resisting these types of measures.

I understand you want to attack Christians and that's fine, people like us that are left of center or left of left usually take any opportunity to jump them. But we are starting to lose every argument because of arguments that start and end like yours did. We need to understand what each group believes and what they do not believe. Their differences if you will. We speak in slogans and now argue in blanket statements which is fine if they were as stupid as we thought but they supported the Iraq & Afghanistan wars, which conversely means they know the what separates the Sun ni from the Shia muslims. They answer slogans and insults in debated paragraphs now so, help us all out- us being tne left. Stop attacking just until you can be literate in your debate. Also, not the bog picture but larger than what is going on with this...it's a movie. There are more important things than this to be confrontational about. This is a waste of time and words. I hope this helps you re-focus on something more than middle age people seeing a bad movie. I hope these words help you help the left instead of hurting us by being petty and uneducated about this subject
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