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A dose of reality

posted 10 years ago by EmpireRecrDs1020
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Ok. Look, people.
I realize that it's much more exciting/tragic/romantic for you to believe that Diana was murdered, but that is NOT what happened.

Paparazzi cretins were chasing her. The guy driving her was drunk and racing down a dangerous street at high speeds. They hit a wall. Hard. This isn't rocket science.

Yeah, it's sad that she didn't get the happy ending she deserved, BUT THAT'S LIFE! Sometimes people's deaths are completely pointless and preventable. They are called accidents and they happen. Even to princesses. (Grace Kelly, anyone?)

Her death was pointless, but her life wasn't. She tried really hard to be a good mom and she helped a lot of people. Try to remember that. She's someone's mom. She's not some conspiracy theory for you to emotionally wank over.

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[–] Coryraisa 10 years ago

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, EmpireRecrDs1020!!!!!!!!!!

You darling! That's basically the word I'm trying to spread.

It's rather reprehensible that some self-centered, insensitive drama junkies like Humanity2869 and Film-Noir1 who don't even bother reading the posts as to why the 'murder' LIES are falsehoods.

And as I've asked these 'murder' lie-peddling bozos, especially Humanity2869 and Film-Noir1, who are fond of painting Diana as 'knowing' she would be allegedly 'murdered' by 'car crash'...why would INTELLIGENT, SENSIBLE Diana be WAITING for any supposed impending 'murder'?????

That's a blatant insult to a wonderful mother, sister, daughter, friend and a WIDELY RESPECTED public figure and CARING HUMANITARIAN.

I'm so glad you see Diana as the wonderful being she was and that her life was FAR MORE than her death and DEFINITELY NOT a cheesy spy/mobster 'murder' fanfic.

I've read it really upsets her sons to see these disrespectful 'murder' lies passed about.

The callous 'murder' junkies fail to understand that Diana and her boys were HUMAN BEINGS, not 'mobster' caricatures.

Again, EmpireRecrDs1020, thank you so much for helping the sane, sensible people here counter the drama junkies' lies.

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[–] Coryraisa 10 years ago

I agree she relied too heavily on psychics.

No, she didn't...let's not confuse her with the Reagans or Tom Cruise with his "Scientology." Diana was somewhat religious and sometimes prayed and believed in God and Heaven, but was NOT some superstitious, foolish, psychic junkie.

Mostly, she relied on her OWN HEART, not what some psychic told her. Sure, she sometimes talked to them and about them, but her main guide was what her OWN HEART and OWN INTUITION was telling her...and she never went far wrong with that.

From what I've read, she felt all too often she had no one else to turn to.

I think she knew she did, but she was often afraid of "burdening" others with her problems. She cared about others' feelings deeply and felt their distress all too often and feared ever adding her own problems to their worries.

She knew there was something "odd" about her, but it wasn't until she reached middle age or so that she realized that she was a highly sensitive person who felt other's pain and emotions much more acutely than the average person and also that there were real psychologist who were paid to hear her problems and let her cry and vent.

Also, she realized that her siblings and friends could be counted on to cry to when her problems were really bad and they could take her crying because they realized how deeply sensitive she was and knew she needed support.

Diana also let so many others cry on her shoulder and listened to their troubles, so they were very glad to reciprocate and let her lean on them as well.

Even the Queen had no answers for her. "I don't know what you should do. Charles is hopeless." or words to that effect.

True, the Queen certainly didn't. I think Diana saw her as a second mummy or an aunt figure (she did tend to gravitate toward older women). Queen Elizabeth at first didn't get why Diana cried so much over Charles, but I think realized what a pill her son was and basically sympathized with Diana's heartache and told her not to hope for too much from Charles.

The Queen actually was first to push for a final divorce, much to Charles' indignation and Diana's pain.

A lot of people continue to profit from her memory.

How true...especially the insensitive, self-centered "murder" drama junkies who haven't done anything worthwhile with their own lives. Most of the "murder" mongers can't deal with the fact that Diana, this soft-spoken, highly feminine, weepy, spiritual, timid, quiet, sensitive woman was also strong, intelligent, resourceful, and courageous, so they feel a pathetic need to try to belittle her legacy.

"Writing notes" on her impending "murder"...going around shrieking I'm going to be 'killed' in an automobile accident...lol. Makes me laugh to even TRY to picture intelligent, quiet Diana doing that.

Apparently, Humanity can in her/his loon mind spinning those "murder" mobster fanfics of hers/his.

Can you imagine how heavy it will get when Charles ascends the throne? The media will run the entire Diana/Charles/Camilla story over and over again.

Agreed, it sure will. That may be a factor in sending Charles right over the edge into the nutbarn and Camilla into either suicide or overdosing. It won't be a happy ending for those two...something intuitive Diana foresaw and hinted at in her Bashir interview.

Despite the pain those two bozos caused Diana, deep down inside, Diana never did stop caring for them and in her interview, hinted at her worries for them.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (2212087) 9 years ago

Diana was purported to have used a helicopter to fly to visit her psychic, Rita Rogers. To go to that expense sounds like she took Roger's advice quite seriously.

but it wasn't until she reached middle age or so that she realized that she was a highly sensitive person who felt other's pain and emotions much more acutely than the average person and also that there were real psychologist who were paid to hear her problems and let her cry and vent.

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post, but I just want to say that Diana was 36 years old when she died. She hadn't even reached middle age, let alone having found that that time was a watershed in her life after which she came to profound and significance realisations about herself.

[–] Coryraisa 9 years ago

Diana was purported to have used a helicopter to fly to visit her psychic, Rita Rogers. To go to that expense sounds like she took Roger's advice quite seriously.

Key word here...PURPORTED to have...no evidence or proof. The definition of purported is: to present, especially deliberately, the appearance of being; profess or claim, often falsely.

There are lots of purported things about Diana that have long been proven completely false.

And as she herself often said, she operated from her heart and her intuition, not what some "psychic" quack told her to do.

After all, Diana did not push for some midnight Royal wedding over any quack telling her that Saturn was in the air the day of July 29, 1981.

And Diana did see REAL psychologists, not quacks for professional help for her bulimia and depression.

As most of us can see, her bulimia was cured and her depression lifted and she began to gain a healthy weight again...and never did she rely on drugs to treat herself.

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post, but I just want to say that Diana was 36 years old when she died.

She hadn't even reached middle age, let alone having found that that time was a watershed in her life after which she came to profound and significance realisations about herself.

But, dearie, you just did comment. Thirty-six is the beginning of middle age...Diana was NOT that young smooth-faced bride who walked down the aisle in her early twenties anymore (and she was TWENTY when she married Prince Fool Charles, not a teenager anymore, so let's not start with the nonsense that she was this teenage bride either).

Diana was actually older than her chronological years, so due to all she had been through with Prince Fool Charles and excessive media attention and her humanitarian work, she had reached several watersheds in her life and had grown and matured over the years.

She was in public life for over sixteen years...not just five or six years, so we all watched her grow and mature over the years.

She had the facial wrinkles and lines to prove it...she'd actually moved way beyond just herself and often had profound realizations about others that most other people missed.

She was a very sharp, intuitive woman who had made fantastic discoveries about humanity that few others acknowledge, so she was NOT "stupid" as a few of her detractors tried to depict her as.

Sure, she was a mediocre (NOT a "failing" student as the tabloids tried to ehhh...purport) student in school and during the worst mess of her marriage to Prince Fool Charles, had a few fits, but unlike MANY others in her difficult position, she did NOT resort to abusing drugs or alcohol nor did she neglect her sons, as her own sons attest to.

Diana was a wonderful mum, as her sons also testify to; an immature, truly unintelligent person would NEVER have been able to do the spectacular job that Diana did raising her sons...and mind you, Diana was not only dealing with constant media scrutiny, but Prince Fool Charles's adultery and acting stupid along with some of Prince Fool's goons giving her grief.

And also...Diana's sons were TEENAGERS when she died, not little boys anymore, so Diana was NOT this young, spring chicken anymore; Wills was way taller than her.

True, Diana died way before her time (she was strong and healthy and ideally would have lived to be at least a hundred had that stupid bodyguard not been so careless), before she had time to grow any white hair or grow old, but she'd made it to the beginning of middle age.

Face it, Diana had LIVED and had experienced life and had done many commendable things with her life; she did NOT die as this teenage spring chicken who "never had any chance" to accomplish things.

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But, dearie, you just did comment

Of course I commented. My statement was simply a reference to a quote from your post. Read it.

I'm willing to change "purported" to "actually did": I remember articles in contemporary newspapers outlining her activities - the same newspapers that had begun referring to her as "Princess Potty". And, no, I can't quote sources because I read it in newspapers shortly before her death, and, because I was amused by it, actually remembered it. It's not the sort of article I would keep hard copies of and cherish.

Okay, you obviously have re-made reality to suit yourself. That's fine. You are entitled to believe whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt other people.

However, for all those thirty somethings - the current edition of the Oxford English Dictionary says that middle age is "The period of life between young adulthood and old age, now usually regarded as between about forty-five and sixty." It doesn't matter if you think Diana was "older than her chronological years" she could NOT be regarded as middle-aged.

[–] Coryraisa 8 years ago

Of course I commented. My statement was simply a reference to a quote from your post. Read it.

Speaking out of both sides, claiming you were “not commenting,” then turning around and yammering on and on.

I’m willing to change “purported” to “actually did”: I remember articles in contemporary newspapers outlining her activities - the same newspapers that had begun referring to her as “Princess Potty.”

I’m sure you are, my dear…since you blindly believe everything you read in the “contemporary” papers aka, tabloids.

Only the tabloid would comment on irrelevant things like Diana’s potty habits.

And, no, I can’t quote sources because I read it in newspapers shortly before her death, and, because I was amused by it, actually remembered it. It’s not the sort of article I would keep hard copies of and cherish.

Because either you have no proof or hard evidence…and also because your “source” is from the rubbishy tabloids.

Okay, you obviously have re-made reality to suit yourself. That's fine. You are entitled to believe whatever you want so long as it doesn’t hurt other people.

You also…you can spin your fantasies of Diana being this forever-young-baby ingénue fresh out of her teens who never lived or did anything with her life.    

However, for all those thirty somethings - the current edition of the Oxford English Dictionary says that middle age is “The period of life between young adulthood and old age, now usually regarded as between about forty-five and sixty.”

It doesn’t matter if you think Diana was “older than her chronological years” she could NOT be regarded as middle-aged.

That’s a highly subjective definition that can’t be regarded as fact…take a look at what some other definitions say…

http://www.middleage.org/definition.shtml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7458147/Middle-age-begins-at-35-and-ends-at-58.html

According to a study, the average Briton believes that youth ends at 35 and old age begins at 58. In between - all 23 years - is your middle age.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/01/signs-of-middle-age_n_5234201.html

According to one study, the average person believes youth ends at 35 and old age begins at 58. Therefore, the years in between -- all 23 of them -- constitute middle age.

Two reliable sources here that are not tabloids I provided here, dearie...thirty-five...one year younger than Diana was when she died.

http://ellendolgen.com/menopause-blog/2013/01/28/menopause-mondays-so-youre-in-your-thirties-you-dont-have-to-worry-about-menopause-yet-right-wrong-find-out-more-about-perimenopause-and-what-it-means-to-you/

…perimenopause (the six to ten years before menopause) can begin as early as 35 years old

At 35, it (fertility) has gone down sharply.

This last article is largely why the “secret pregnancy” fables are so stupid…the silly “murder” peddlers love to try to pass their tale of this “secret pregnancy” about...but most of us with sense KNOW that Diana was NOT pregnant and was close to menopause.

Face reality, she was NOT that youthful, smooth-faced bride anymore; she was NOT some spring chicken fresh out of her teens anymore; she had wrinkles between her brows and on her round forehead to prove this; she had LIVED.

[–] Prelude-in-C-maj 8 years ago

Seriously, that's bull sh!t.

First of all, 36 is not "near menopause" by a country mile! LMAO! Most normal healthy women still have at least ten more years of regular periods and the possibility of unplanned pregnancy. Fertility goes down for sure but menopause itself is still a long way off.

I'm not sure why you're so attached to this idea that Diana would be one of the rare cases of early menopause when at 36 the overwhelming majority of women still have plenty of time before that even looms on the horizon.

You're either a guy or a seriously misinformed, inexperienced young woman.

Second thing:

"Middle age" is widely understood to begin in the 40s as the other poster here is trying to tell you.

Next comes old age which is widely held to be defined by the 60s or what is usually retirement age.

Yes the 30s are no longer "ingenue" age but they're not middle age yet either.

Middle aged is not literally the "middle age" one might live to if assuming a death at 70; the term actually refers to the stage of life between the years of younger adulthood and the final stage of old age.

[–] Coryraisa 8 years ago

True that for MOST women, thirty-six is still the childbearing years, but by the mid-thirties, fertility begins to decline.

Menopause doesn't happen in one day or even one month; it’s a SLOW process that can take up to ten years.

Diana was still menstruating, that much is true, but she was NOT in her peak childbearing years; she was MOST LIKELY less than five years away from the START of menopause.

I was able to provide SEVERAL links that thirty-six is NOT a spring chicken age; glad you admit that Diana was not a young ingenue anymore.

True, she was way far from old age...being the healthy woman she was with a very strong constitution that she was, she should have lived to be at least a hundred years old.

I've read that Diana was rarely ill and had no allergies...she even was able to survive being SEVENTY pounds underweight at one point...something not too many other people can survive.

But I know the entire "secret pregnancy" story is pure fiction because Diana was NOT foolish enough to become pregnant accidentally especially by a man she'd only dated for a few weeks.

Diana KNEW how to use birth control; she was intelligent enough to avoid an accidental pregnancy.

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Diana was still menstruating, that much is true, but she was NOT in her peak childbearing years; she was MOST LIKELY less than five years away from the START of menopause.

Where you her gynecologist? You make far too many assumptions an try to pass them off as fact.

[–] Coryraisa 10 years ago

The knight in shining armor!

Yep...although Diana herself in Heaven would laugh a bit at this; she never saw herself as a knight and actually had lots of trouble seeing how courageous she was since she was plagued by so many fears in her life and cried so much.

Diana was a classic HSP or highly sensitive person. See LICENSED PSYCHOLOGIST'S Elaine Aron's INTELLIGENT (not 'new age junk') website and READ it in full...Elaine has also written several WISE, WELL-RESEARCHED books on this trait that Diana along with about fifteen percent of the human population carried.

Diana would have really benefitted from Elaine Aron's wonderful book, The Highly Sensitive Person.

Contrary to what some believe, Diana was a very voracious reader and had loads of books, even more so than her fashionable clothes.

You will not accept the hundreds of books & magazines with the thousands of articles on her addiction to the psychics.

Because most of them are fictionalized accounts. Never have we heard Diana herself talking about believing psychics nor are they any stories at all from her sons overhearing their mummy calling quacks for 'predictions' or falling for stupid superstitions.

No stories either from any of her siblings, former classmates, or her close friends of her talking about I called this psychic and she told me to... nor do they have any stories of Diana avoiding going out at set times because of believing in Saturn or Mars or Uranus or some red star being 'bad luck.'

Now sometimes, she and a friend, when they were at little fairs and parties, would put their hands out for psychics for fun and curiosity and Diana did have a few friends who rang psychics and they'd talk about that particular psychic's beliefs and all, since Diana did respect every person's spiritual beliefs, but Diana herself did NOT rely on psychics for her decisions.

Diana believed in God and sometimes prayed when it came to huge decisions and she did pray (and weep some) for her sons and for Charles and Camilla and for the outreach patients and their families, but she never went overboard with any supernatural/psychic/superstitious/religious belief nor did she base her entire life on any divine dogma.

You'll just say it's PR put out by Charles' team.

No, I know it wasn't...it was psychic quacks looking to make money off the famous.

There were a few psychic bozo phonies who even tried to claim that the Kennedys, Grace Kelly, and other famous people 'relied on' them for decisions.

The psychics continue to get rich off Diana, in one way or another.

See...told you...these psychic phonies will even lie to get rich...I am sure there are thousands of these quack imbeciles who will claim that Diana allegedly called them for every move every night of her life and will ridiculously claim that she bought their nonsense hook, line, and sinker.

But those of us who respect the true Diana know that she was more intelligent and resourceful than that.

Most of us with sense know that Diana certainly did NOT rely on any psychic to risk leg and life to walk the Angolan landmine friends or for any of her outreach work.

As Diana told us in her touching November 1995 interview, she operated from her heart and what HER OWN HEART told her...not from any nonsense any 'psychic' nonsense or any foolish 'bad luck' myths from others.

She made it 'fashionable.'

Actually, Nancy claims that honor...it was in the 1980's that believing psychics and superstitions and in 'bad luck' planets, animals, or colors became chic.

Can you even IMAGINE sensible Diana insisting on a midnight wedding because of some silly superstition of daylight or a planet being 'bad luck????'

Not to mention the likes of Tom Cruise who went nutters with his superstitious 'Scientology' nonsense in the early 1990s and made a total fool out of himself on a talk show.

I've spoken my peace now I'm leaving this board. Let the New Age weirdos thrive here, as they have ever since this film came out.

Because you have no hard evidence of Diana either being 'murdered' or 'stupid' or believing foolish superstitions.

This board has little relation to the film itself.

True, lots of nutjobs like the 'murder' mongers have used this board to spill their nonsensical lies...which must be really embarrassing and worrisome to Diana in Heaven.

And I, like Diana and MOST INTELLIGENT people do believe in an afterlife, but not the 'psychic' quacks trying to get rich off the famous and off Diana.

[–] Coryraisa 10 years ago

We'll never really know what would have happened but we do know that Diana was a 'psychic junkie.'

No, she wasn't. I do hope you are not confusing her with Nancy Reagan, who truly is a psychic/astrology/molology/superstition junkie.

Sometimes, Diana talked to psychics for a bit of amusement and to get just why they came to their conclusions, but she did not live her life by any psychic.

Diana was very spiritual and believed in God and sometimes prayed. She believed in Heaven and an afterlife...which MANY intelligent people do, including Hillary and Maggie Thatcher, so think twice about ridiculing people who believe in an afterlife.

I think I read someplace that Raisa Gorbachev, another very intelligent woman believed in reincarnation...and actually Diana herself talked about this with friends since she had friends of ALL faiths and was very open-minded and respectful of others' religious/spiritual beliefs.

She came off as a sophisticated, self assured woman...

Diana truly was sophisticated and very intelligent, something some people like you do not give her credit for.

But self-assured...I agree that she was not; she had many self-esteem problems that plagued her most of her life.

She gained a modest measure of self-esteem at the end of her life, but probably because of her high sensitivity in a non-sensitive world (see Elaine Aron's wonderful website on the highly sensitive person or HSPs at www.hsperson.com...and READ it before you dismiss it as 'new-age junk' because it is not; it is true psychological research), her self-esteem was still tenuous even at the end of her life.

...but she was paralyzed to make a move without getting on the hotline to Miss Cleo.

That's a foolish myth. Diana, especially once she separated from Charles, made her own decisions.

Sometimes, she did ask her sisters or her friends for a bit of advice and weighed it, but she was intelligent and for the MOST part (even smart people occasionally make some bad decisions and she was no exception) knew how to make wise decisions.

I think, despite what her critics claim, it was a very SMART, courageous move to give that November 1995 interview.

As the critics of the interview famously and conveniently forget, Charles was badmouthing her to the press and public BEFORE the interview...as early of 1994, Charles helped pen that awful 'autobiography' by Jonathan Dimbleby that was full of misinformation and outright lies about Diana.

He was also telling horrible lies about her to the press and it was upsetting her sons and siblings as well as making the public worry that she really was 'unbalanced' or that she was languishing somewhere in rehab or a nutbarn.

Diana, frightened as she was, made a VERY WISE move to give that interview, tell the truth and clear the air.

She knew she owed it to the people. What she told in the interview...Charles' affairs, her bulimia, the bad state of their marriage, some members of the Palace giving her a hard time, their separation....NONE of that was news at all, so it was not as if she were dropping earth-shattering bombshells all over the place.

And...Diana did NOT rely on any psychic or tea-leaf quack to tell her to do the interview; she relied on her own intuition, intelligence, and wit.

The interview frightened the liver out of her and she had to swallow several times during it, but she plowed on ahead with great strength and fortitude so her people would not be left swimming in Charles' lies and slander about her.

So, let's not confuse Diana with her polar opposite, the Reagans...who insisted on a MIDNIGHT swearing-in ceremony for Reagan's Cali Governor position because some quack had told Nancy some fool tale that it would be 'bad luck' to have a day swearing-in.

It was probably the same fool quack that also told the Reagans that Saturn was allegedly a 'bad luck' planet, so Nancy often avoided going to certain places when Saturn was supposedly out and shining...something Diana was far too intelligent to fall for.

Diana liked night walks about the gardens of Kensington Palace and would sit and gaze at the planets, including Saturn. She thought of Saturn as very beautiful.

[–] EmpireRecrDs1020 10 years ago

My thread has been hijacked, I see... *sigh*

Whether or not Diana went to psychics is irrelevent to how she died.

[–] Coryraisa 10 years ago

Yeah on both counts...the "murder" trolls are going hog-wild on this board with their "murder" fanfics.

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[–] Coryraisa 9 years ago

I think it may have been you who hijacked the thread...

The main reason I don't believe Diana's death was a conspiracy is because governments are so useless at keeping secrets. It would have come out at some point.

However, on the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me to learn it is true. There are certain members of the Royal Family who I could easily imagine being so ruthless and cold-hearted.

Probably…to dismantle the ‘murder’ lies…Diana in Heaven worries about these ‘murder’ tales…she’d laugh if they weren’t about people she cares about here on Earth.

Sure, SOME of the Royal family is cold-hearted, but none of them are intelligent enough to plot any complicated car crash scheme.

If they were true killers, they would have EASILY 'killed' Diana when her sons were little and when she was still living with Prince Fool Charles.

A fall down the stairs could have been arranged or an 'accidental' drowning before her sons had a chance to experience her positive influence and have happy memories of her.

That’s the main reason why the 'murdered-by-the-Royals' tale makes no sense. Why wait until her sons were TEENAGERS and she’d already influenced them and raised them to almost adulthood?

And actually, she survived the initial crash; she did not die on impact; she was a very sturdy woman who would have survived if it hadn’t been for the serious negligence of the ambulance crew.

However, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if a homophobe or individual pro-war person snuck into her hospital room and injected something into her tube or disconnected her tube to cause her death.

Diana always knew that she was at risk from the right-wing homophobes and had made preparations and updated her will and asked her siblings and dearest friends to please, please look after her sons in the event of her premature death…and they did.